Select to expand quoteShifu said..
If te earth is flat does that mean the sun is flat too?
It is on my screen
Select to expand quoteelmo said..Shifu said..
If te earth is flat does that mean the sun is flat too?
It is on my screen
Jeebus!
Select to expand quoteD3 said..
It's been a couple of days and I'm still waiting on Pcdefenders to get back with some answers.
In the meantime I thought I'd have a crack at answering one his questions. " So if you are correct and the frigate is travelling over a curve as you seem to be inferring then why do we not see the curve looking left to right across the horizon?"
Because this horizon is a circle around you, when you stand in the middle of that circle there is no curve left to right.
You can verify this by looking two ships on the horizon that are the same distance away from you, relative to your position on the earth these ships will be exactly the same elevation.
But here's where it gets interesting, say you're looking at 3 ships on the horizon over a 90 degree arc, ship A is to your left, ship B is 90 degrees to the right of A, and C is right in the middle.
Say that you're a shortarse and your height of eye is 1.7m, this will give you a visual horizon of about 5km depending on conditions.
You'll need to somewhere with a reasonably unobstructed view of the horizon. Out at sea is usually pretty good (water seeks level, right? 
).
You can now draw a Right angle triangle from you to ships A and B, sides are 5km and the hypotenuse is near enough 7km.
This imaginary hypotenuse is completely level relative to you (you could even set up some gadget involving levels and lasers to observe this) but you'll notice that ship C and a bit of the ocean are sitting further out from the hypotenuse because the horizon is a circle.
Ship C is still only 5km from you, but the hypotenuse from A to B is only 3.5km, making it appear like C could be further away. It would be hard to make out with the naked eye as the angle change looking at an object 3.5 km to 5km would be very small. (Tiny fraction of a degree)
This is not a difference in elevation for the vessels, just different points on the circumference of a circle relative to you.
Hey PC,
Can you get back to me on my comments about video you linked to?
Actually, when looking at the horizon from a ship out at sea, I think the horizon line 360 degree around may actually be horizontal after all.
The reason being the horizon line would meet up. Look down on a spherical soccer ball as an example and the horizon line meets up but of course the line is always below you r eye.
I was looking at 200 Proofs the Earth is Flat by Eric Dubay a week ago.
Anyone care to offer an explanation to number 15?
Select to expand quotePcdefender said..
Actually, when looking at the horizon from a ship out at sea, I think the horizon line 360 degree around may actually be horizontal after all.
The reason being the horizon line would meet up. Look down on a spherical soccer ball as an example and the horizon line meets up but of course the line is always below you r eye.
I was looking at 200 Proofs the Earth is Flat by Eric Dubay a week ago.
Anyone care to offer an explanation to number 15?
Ahh, number 15? Total bollocks made up by some idiot!
What did it say?
I don't understand your perception though. I have been looking at my coffee table and pondered 'what would an ant see?'
Well, the ant would see all the crap on the coffee table, up until it ends, at which point the rest of the living room universe continues on. So, why am I not seeing Rottnest let alone not being able to see Africa?
#15 is brilliant
Why don't pilots have to constantly correct their attitude downwards so as to maintain a constant altitude?!!!
Just brilliant!
Because that's pretty much what they do! And even at 30,000 feet that is pretty much imperceptible and achieved by balancing lift against gravity.
But it's not so much that they have to tilt the plane down to maintain, it's the fact they don't have to tilt the plane up as much to maintain altitude.
It's not as though the plane has achieved escape velocity
Select to expand quotePcdefender said..
Actually, when looking at the horizon from a ship out at sea, I think the horizon line 360 degree around may actually be horizontal after all.
The reason being the horizon line would meet up. Look down on a spherical soccer ball as an example and the horizon line meets up but of course the line is always below you r eye.
I was looking at 200 Proofs the Earth is Flat by Eric Dubay a week ago.
Anyone care to offer an explanation to number 15?
But please note, he has updated the title of his video so it doesn't mention flat earth.
Because his proofs are definitely not proof it's flat
Select to expand quoteD3 said..
#15 is brilliant
Why don't pilots have to constantly correct their attitude downwards so as to maintain a constant altitude?!!!
Just brilliant!
Because that's pretty much what they do! And even at 30,000 feet that is pretty much imperceptible and achieved by balancing lift against gravity.
But it's not so much that they have to tilt the plane down to maintain, it's the fact they don't have to tilt the plane up as much to maintain altitude.
It's not as though the plane has achieved escape velocity
You mean there is 'gravity' is this made-up-world you speak of? How does that impact the self-levelling nature of water? Surely the two are incongruous?
I thought planes flew like aliens in a video game and just went where you pointed them...
I am still 50/50 about whether PM33 believes any of this crap or is just trolling us for entertainment.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
I am still 50/50 about whether PM33 believes any of this crap or is just trolling us for entertainment.
He is masterminding the greatest sustained troll in the history of the internet. When he is finished he will post his achievement on Reddit in exchange for karma/dogecoin, or something...
Select to expand quoteShifu said..FormulaNova said..
I am still 50/50 about whether PM33 believes any of this crap or is just trolling us for entertainment.
He is masterminding the greatest sustained troll in the history of the internet. When he is finished he will post his achievement on Reddit in exchange for karma/dogecoin, or something...
I was thinking maybe he has become aware that aliens are monitoring us and intend to exterminate the intellectuals and all those other lefties. This way he stays under their radar and survives the coming event in 2025.
He does raise some interesting points though. When I step outside, the world looks flat, therefore it is.
^^^ Funny 
. That's almost worthy of printing out, and sticking on my cubical wall at work.
I got kicked out of the flat earth club. I said that I'd travelled extensively and apparently that was going too far.
Select to expand quotefangman said..
They have to make sure they cross as close to straight/perpendicular as possible or risk entering an uncontrolled spin
Hey PC,
Do you like the FE model the presenter puts forward at the end of the video?
Jan '16 - The FLAT EARTH LIVE!! [Lancashire, England @ New Horizons] - YouTube
"Eratosthenes Measures the Earth. ca. June, 240 B.C.
By the 5th century B.C., it was widely accepted that the Earth is a sphere. This is a critical point, as there is a widespread misconception that ancient peoples thought the Earth was flat.
Eratosthenes' most famous accomplishment is his measurement of the circumference of Earth. He recorded the details of this measurement in a manuscript that is now lost, but his technique has been described by other Greek historians and writers.
Eratosthenes had heard from travelers about a well in Syene (now Aswan, Egypt) with an interesting property: at noon on the summer solstice, which occurs about June 21 every year, the sun illuminated the entire bottom of this well, without casting any shadows, indicating that the sun was directly overhead. Eratosthenes then measured the angle of a shadow cast by a stick at noon on the summer solstice in Alexandria, and found it made an angle of about 7.2 degrees, or about 1/50 of a complete circle. By knowing the distance between Syene and Alexandria through the help of professional surveyors, he was able to report that the circumference of the earth was 250,000 stadia or between 24,000 and 29,000 miles."
Select to expand quoteremery said..
Wow-ser.
I never knew camels used to be way bigger back then. No wonder Noah could only fit two.
Oh Man, I Watched this as recommended by PCD. It was entertaining, I especially like the way he can't answer one of the audience questions and just says "well, that's not what I have seen"
Jan '16 - The FLAT EARTH LIVE!! [Lancashire, England @ New Horizons] - YouTube
I was making little notes throughout, so that I could provide some commentary to anyone else interested in watching it, in case you wanted to see the Gold Standard of PCDs evidence.
I watched all the way to the end, and in the last section, the guy explains what his belief of the earth is and how he came to that conclusion.
And I realised that all my notes were unnecessary, what he says perfectly explains how he has denied reality in favour of a belief.
When trying to understand something, like how our world is shaped and how we fit into the wider universe, I always thought that a systematic approach to observation and collection of data was necessary. From there you would make a hypothesis which you could test and compare predictions with future observations.
But the guy in this video claims it is wrong for people to determine the earth is a globe by gathering data and evidence and then build a model from what they have observed.
He explains that he was late coming to Christ and Christianity proper as a religion, but what he read in the perfectly explains why the earrth must be flat. He personally favours the model of a created, enclosed earth as portrayed in the Mercator Projection, just with infinite space/time loops on all four sides enabling contiguous travel.
He literally started with a belief that the Earth is flat and then spends the entire video trying to misrepresent well understood (by other people) phenomena as evidence that his belief must be true.
He starts with a Belief, then sees a picture of a cloud that almost looks like a word and says "See, See! It's a conspiracy and I must be right!"
Gobsmacked you actually looked at the evidence.
Pull a long string a few miles in length or any decent length tight across a straight beach.
Now if their globe theory holds true the middle point of the string would be higher than the two ends.
Never let a practical experiment get in the way of your atheism.
Select to expand quotePcdefender said..
Gobsmacked you actually looked at the evidence.
Pull a long string a few miles in length or any decent length tight across a straight beach.
Now if their globe theory holds true the middle point of the string would be higher than the two ends.
Never let a practical experiment get in the way of your atheism.
Why Gobsmacked? I can look at and evaluate some types of evidence just as easily as other people
I can't make informed decisions if I don't
Could just use a laser, right? Easier than using string.
What do you know, a horizontal laser will actually get further from the ground
Why do you keep using easily disprovable methods?
Have you checked out Beyond the Curve?
D3 is a stronger man than me watching that drivel. But good for him, pathological-liar and attention-seeker, Pcdefender, approves.
Select to expand quotePcdefender said..
Not true. Do the string experiment.
How? Physically impossible, I would have thought
Beyond the Curve - ive watched hundreds of his clips lol.
Watch Rob Skiba. In depth research on him is fascinating.
