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Finally got an answer from the trial sponsor

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Created by psychojoe > 9 months ago, 10 Oct 2023
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D3
WA, 1506 posts
21 Oct 2023 7:52PM
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Too be fair, loads of medicines aren't compared to a saline placebo.

Sometimes it's really easy to distinguish between saline and the actual treatment, making the whole blinding bit pointless.

And a lot of the time a new iteration of a treatment is compared only to the previous treatment. Still evaluating compared to a known value, and crucially not denying the current standard of care to the trial participants (just a minor ethical thing)

myscreenname
2283 posts
21 Oct 2023 8:47PM
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Pcdefender said..

Right....



Start thinking for yourself.

Use your God given skills.

Stay staunch.

Don't ever go against your will.

Stay true to yourself - it is a major deal.

Cause if you play yourself, your fate is sealed.


Some apt lines from the track Shallow from Australian band Mental AZ


I think I'll watch that video IanR recommended instead. I'm sure I'll enjoy it more.

remery reckons it totally discredits you

CH3MTR4IL5
WA, 938 posts
21 Oct 2023 9:14PM
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Been away a while what's happening

.oh, nvm it's still the same as a year ago

snoidberg
QLD, 512 posts
21 Oct 2023 11:27PM
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Well they have successfully sued the CDC and NIH many times so yes they are some serious dudes.
Yes, you could say I am abit of an expert, because instead of drinking with my buddies, I actually took the time to read alot about vaccines and the lack of safety studies while my wife was pregnant with our first son.
We then made the decision to not give any of our children any vacancies ever.
And that was 9 years ago and I haven't stopped researching, I have probably devoted a couple of thousand hours reading about vaccines and how useless and outdated they are in today's world.
This video won't cover everything but for most people that can't afford to take the time to look into it, a short 2 hour video will cover alot of information.

snoidberg
QLD, 512 posts
21 Oct 2023 11:41PM
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We should be recognising the fact that vaccines can cause injuries, so we can move on to how we can prevent vaccine injuries in the future. Then we should be looking at what we can do to help those that are injured instead of attacking them, most antivax people were once provax until someone they love or themselves got injured. Seabreeze folks should be putting their heads together to do something to help Psychojo and OK.

myscreenname
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21 Oct 2023 9:44PM
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snoidberg said..
Seabreeze folks should be putting their heads together to do something to help Psychojo and OK.

They say you only get one good idea in your lifetime, if you are lucky...

I know. Let's setup a gofundme page. Someone should send Deryn Hinch a press release with an embargo. OK could go on the Project and make Waleed sad and the female hosts cry. On the same night Psychojoe could go on A Current Affair with journalist Tracy Grimshaw and whine about his shabby treatment. To cover all bases, If both OK and Psychojo are up to it, Seabreese folks could produce a segment, narrated by Snoiberg and PCDefender, for Australian Story. FormulaNova and The Flying Duchman could be joint directors of Social Media and disseminate poignant memes.

What do folks think?

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remery
WA, 3709 posts
21 Oct 2023 10:31PM
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snoidberg said..
Well they have successfully sued the CDC and NIH many times so yes they are some serious dudes.
Yes, you could say I am abit of an expert, because instead of drinking with my buddies, I actually took the time to read alot about vaccines and the lack of safety studies while my wife was pregnant with our first son.
We then made the decision to not give any of our children any vacancies ever.
And that was 9 years ago and I haven't stopped researching, I have probably devoted a couple of thousand hours reading about vaccines and how useless and outdated they are in today's world.
This video won't cover everything but for most people that can't afford to take the time to look into it, a short 2 hour video will cover alot of information.


So you are a trained researcher who understands vacancies and abit about alot.

D3
WA, 1506 posts
21 Oct 2023 11:36PM
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Wasn't there something about it taking 10,000 hours to master something?

The lower limit of you claim
1000/8 (assuming a full working day)
= 125 days of research
125 /9
= 14 days per year

Even if you have 10,000 hours of reading other people's work online over the past 9 years, that's barely a semester each year.

But if someone studying and working in the field for 4 or 5 years would definitely have more credibility even if the hours were equivalent

Harrow
NSW, 4521 posts
22 Oct 2023 9:34AM
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Pcdefender said..
Try a 3 day fast or longer. Heard its the best treatment for removing the toxicity from your body.

The body has a remarkable ability to heal given the tools.

I know a 53 year old woman who around 2 years started eating organic food only.

Lets just say the difference in her size and shape is quite remarkable.

I've a friend who does a 12-day fasts twice a year, although last month he extended it to 18-days. He has a coffee each morning, then nothing but water for the rest of the day. Still continued his workouts, but with less intensity. He lost 15 kg.

FormulaNova
WA, 15086 posts
22 Oct 2023 7:02AM
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D3 said..
Wasn't there something about it taking 10,000 hours to master something?

The lower limit of you claim
1000/8 (assuming a full working day)
= 125 days of research
125 /9
= 14 days per year

Even if you have 10,000 hours of reading other people's work online over the past 9 years, that's barely a semester each year.

But if someone studying and working in the field for 4 or 5 years would definitely have more credibility even if the hours were equivalent


It wasn't even 2000 hours, it just felt like it. Have you watched some of these youtube videos on vaccines? With all the spooky music and vague references to stuff, this 'research' is tiring.

It's great in this modern world where everyone else can take the vaccines and let herd immunity take care of my kid.

Vaccines are so outdated!

FormulaNova
WA, 15086 posts
22 Oct 2023 7:10AM
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Harrow said..
Pcdefender said..
Try a 3 day fast or longer. Heard its the best treatment for removing the toxicity from your body.

The body has a remarkable ability to heal given the tools.

I know a 53 year old woman who around 2 years started eating organic food only.

Lets just say the difference in her size and shape is quite remarkable.

I've a friend who does a 12-day fasts twice a year, although last month he extended it to 18-days. He has a coffee each morning, then nothing but water for the rest of the day. Still continued his workouts, but with less intensity. He lost 15 kg.


Is your friend functioning okay during these fasts? I am not sure I could be very productive if I tried fasting for such a long period if I survived at all.

I wonder if this is taking things too far? I think the idea of short intermittent fasts is to trick the body to go into repair mode, not to deny it food for a long time. The body is a remarkable thing, so it can cope with a lot of things, but how do you know you have done the wrong thing, especially if its something that may not happen immediately? If you start eating into muscle instead of fat, surely it is not good for you.

Already we are reading someone thinking that a fast removes 'the toxicity' of the body. I don't think this is correct and misleading people into thinking that it's why it works.

Harrow
NSW, 4521 posts
22 Oct 2023 5:03PM
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FormulaNova said..
Is your friend functioning okay during these fasts? I am not sure I could be very productive if I tried fasting for such a long period if I survived at all.

I wonder if this is taking things too far? I think the idea of short intermittent fasts is to trick the body to go into repair mode, not to deny it food for a long time. The body is a remarkable thing, so it can cope with a lot of things, but how do you know you have done the wrong thing, especially if its something that may not happen immediately? If you start eating into muscle instead of fat, surely it is not good for you.

Already we are reading someone thinking that a fast removes 'the toxicity' of the body. I don't think this is correct and misleading people into thinking that it's why it works.

Apparently so. Personally, I have no idea how he does it. I can skip a meal or two if I'm distracted by something but would struggle with much more than that. He says the first five days are a little tricky but after that it feels great.

psychojoe
WA, 2234 posts
22 Oct 2023 4:48PM
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Harrow said...

I've a friend who does a 12-day fasts twice a year, although last month he extended it to 18-days. He has a coffee each morning, then nothing but water for the rest of the day. Still continued his workouts, but with less intensity. He lost 15 kg.


He must've been kinda big to start with, if I lost 15kgs my organs would begin to shut down.

remery
WA, 3709 posts
22 Oct 2023 6:00PM
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Go to India, I lost 10 kilos in two weeks. (I put it back on within two weeks of returning to Australia though).

snoidberg
QLD, 512 posts
23 Oct 2023 12:01AM
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I hear fasting is great for repairing your body, I try not snack between meals and have dinner early, have a cup of tea when I wake up but don't eat until lunchtime. I don't have breakfast much because it is (Break-Fast) would rather keep the fast going abit longer, but bugger going days without food unless you really needed to detox. I'm only 57kg so can't afford to loose any weight. Not sure if I have posted about seed oils on here before but if anyone really wants to loose weight fast and keep it off and reduce inflammation in their body, it is as simple as avoiding processed seed oils. Tho this is tougher than it sounds because seed oils are in 95% of crap in the supermarket. Start buying raw ingredients and making most thing from scratch not from packets.
Most common bad processed seed oils are canola oil, vegetable oil and sunflower oil.
Good oils are medium chain triglycerides, animal fats, ghee, butter, extra virgen olive oil, coconut oil, avocado oil high in omega 3 but low in omega 6 oils.
Omega 3 - antiinflammatory
Omega 6 - inflammation
You need to make sure your body is getting more omega 3 than 6, to fix you metabolism. You can do this by taking cod liver oil.
When we first started this it took over 4 hours to do a shop because we read every ingredient in almost every item we came across, but now we have a routine and know what food we can eat.
My wife went from 67kg to 58 in about 10 weeks. She is now 56kg and staying around 56kg.

Pcdefender
WA, 1607 posts
22 Oct 2023 10:14PM
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What you say makes perfect sense Snoidberg but i am sure our two resident debunkers on this forum motivated possibly by their connections to Big Pharma will post something soon debunking your post.

It does get a bit boring after a while.

remery
WA, 3709 posts
23 Oct 2023 3:44PM
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Debunking drivel never gets boring. Besides it only takes a minute or two.

FormulaNova
WA, 15086 posts
23 Oct 2023 4:16PM
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remery said..
Debunking drivel never gets boring. Besides it only takes a minute or two.


It helps that you know anything PM33 says can be fact checked with a better than 50% hit rate.

Toxins! It's all toxins! Only solved with lemon juice apparently.

myscreenname
2283 posts
23 Oct 2023 5:04PM
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snoidberg said..
I hear fasting is great for repairing your body, I try not snack between meals and have dinner early, have a cup of tea when I wake up but don't eat until lunchtime. I don't have breakfast much because it is (Break-Fast) would rather keep the fast going abit longer, but bugger going days without food unless you really needed to detox. I'm only 57kg so can't afford to loose any weight. Not sure if I have posted about seed oils on here before but if anyone really wants to loose weight fast and keep it off and reduce inflammation in their body, it is as simple as avoiding processed seed oils. Tho this is tougher than it sounds because seed oils are in 95% of crap in the supermarket. Start buying raw ingredients and making most thing from scratch not from packets.
Most common bad processed seed oils are canola oil, vegetable oil and sunflower oil.
Good oils are medium chain triglycerides, animal fats, ghee, butter, extra virgen olive oil, coconut oil, avocado oil high in omega 3 but low in omega 6 oils.
Omega 3 - antiinflammatory
Omega 6 - inflammation
You need to make sure your body is getting more omega 3 than 6, to fix you metabolism. You can do this by taking cod liver oil.
When we first started this it took over 4 hours to do a shop because we read every ingredient in almost every item we came across, but now we have a routine and know what food we can eat.
My wife went from 67kg to 58 in about 10 weeks. She is now 56kg and staying around 56kg.


I heard some health expert talk about how good hemp seed oil is on a salad dressing on the MSM the other day. What's your take on Hemp Oil?

ok
NSW, 1089 posts
23 Oct 2023 8:13PM
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myscreenname said..

snoidberg said..
Seabreeze folks should be putting their heads together to do something to help Psychojo and OK.


They say you only get one good idea in your lifetime, if you are lucky...

I know. Let's setup a gofundme page. Someone should send Deryn Hinch a press release with an embargo. OK could go on the Project and make Waleed sad and the female hosts cry. On the same night Psychojoe could go on A Current Affair with journalist Tracy Grimshaw and whine about his shabby treatment. To cover all bases, If both OK and Psychojo are up to it, Seabreese folks could produce a segment, narrated by Snoiberg and PCDefender, for Australian Story. FormulaNova and The Flying Duchman could be joint directors of Social Media and disseminate poignant memes.

What do folks think?

Green thumb to show your support!


Hilarious

Currently having a sarcoidosis flare up and its now attacking my eyes. Looks like my brothers farted on my pillow again except this isnt easy to cure and my eyes feel like they are full of sand and burning. Hopefully another day in the darkness will help...

Pcdefender
WA, 1607 posts
24 Oct 2023 1:01AM
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New Zealand is a Crime Scene: In one clinic, in one day 30 people were covid injected and all 30 have died - The Expose (expose-news.com)


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ok
NSW, 1089 posts
24 Oct 2023 7:09AM
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Let's ask the question. How many human beings have to die before you call a group a terrorist organisation? Or at least compare that group to say Ivan milat ?

FormulaNova
WA, 15086 posts
24 Oct 2023 6:18AM
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Pcdefender said..
New Zealand is a Crime Scene: In one clinic, in one day 30 people were covid injected and all 30 have died - The Expose (expose-news.com)


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Wow, your comment is impressive. Where did you get that text? Was it somewhere nearby?

Do you go looking for this stuff or have you signed up to a news feed that sends it to you?


myscreenname
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24 Oct 2023 6:23AM
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ok said..
Let's ask the question. How many human beings have to die before you call a group a terrorist organisation? Or at least compare that group to say Ivan milat ?


Hmmm, If we look at this latest war: Hamas are a terrorist organisation. I think they killed 1500. Israel have killed 5000 and they are friends.

remery
WA, 3709 posts
24 Oct 2023 9:04AM
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ok said..
Let's ask the question. How many human beings have to die before you call a group a terrorist organisation? Or at least compare that group to say Ivan milat ?


Are you talking about groups that spread vaccine misinformation, which resulted in many people not getting vaccinated, who died of COVID?

Harrow
NSW, 4521 posts
24 Oct 2023 1:01PM
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remery said..
Are you talking about groups that spread vaccine misinformation, which resulted in many people not getting vaccinated, who died of COVID?

He might be talking about the governments and medical officials that told young people to get vaccinated to help protect older members of the community when the vaccine hadn't even been tested for it's ability to stop transmission.

ok
NSW, 1089 posts
24 Oct 2023 1:38PM
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Glad you big pharmer cucks took the bait. You have been so brainwashed to believe whatever the idiot box tells you too. Let's just start with one company that goes by the name of Pfizer. Killed ATLEAST 60000 people and had to pay a fine of a third of the profits that the drug made. Ivan milat killed 5 people.
60,000 lives ruined from one single pharmaceutical drug. Leaked emails and whole court cases to prove this yet you still believe them. If Ivan milat asked you to go for a camping trip with him would you??
Have a proper think about the last few years. Lies from politicians, lies from the media, scare mongering and vilification of fit healthy people. All for what ? so Pfizer could rake in hundreds of BILLIONS in profits for a product that did not stop infection, did not stop the spread and was slightly effective for a few weeks.




myscreenname
2283 posts
24 Oct 2023 11:14AM
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I was making the same point with the current Hamas and Israel conflict.

Life is unfair. You sound like you've only just figured that out.

D3
WA, 1506 posts
24 Oct 2023 11:19AM
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ok said..
Glad you big pharmer cucks took the bait. You have been so brainwashed to believe whatever the idiot box tells you too. Let's just start with one company that goes by the name of Pfizer. Killed ATLEAST 60000 people and had to pay a fine of a third of the profits that the drug made. Ivan milat killed 5 people.
60,000 lives ruined from one single pharmaceutical drug. Leaked emails and whole court cases to prove this yet you still believe them. If Ivan milat asked you to go for a camping trip with him would you??
Have a proper think about the last few years. Lies from politicians, lies from the media, scare mongering and vilification of fit healthy people. All for what ? so Pfizer could rake in hundreds of BILLIONS in profits for a product that did not stop infection, did not stop the spread and was slightly effective for a few weeks.





Talk about believing what you're told.

Maybe look up the manufacturer of Vioxx?

Flying Dutchman
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24 Oct 2023 12:02PM
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Life is unfair. You sound like you've only just figured that out.

Life is unfair but geez there was a lot of BS dribbling out of people's mouths in positions of influence. How the authorities were able to get away with telling the public to get vaccinated to stop the spread & stop you getting Covid still amazes me.



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"Finally got an answer from the trial sponsor" started by psychojoe