elmo said...

www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-10/sharks-pose-water-hazard-for-queensland-golfers/3460222

QUICK CULL THEM


RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

doggie said...


We are talking in Australia you twit

He referred to them simply as 'foxes', as if sharks deserves to be destroyed like our ferals do.. I pointed out that a fox in its native environment, does not deserve to be destroyed, it belongs, and it's important for the ecosystem.. So the same should apply to Sharks in WA, they are native, and don't deserve to be destroyed for being 'feral', they belong..

In other words, the only foxes you can compare Sharks to, are native foxes.. Although I would compare them to Siberian Tigers, or Wolves..

(Accidentally clicked your profile, I didn't realise you were 40!!? Thought you were about 18 ahahahah)

reports up here is that he was swimming 300 meters off shore when nailed. if so wtf i dont dont get it.

getfunky said...


2 fatalities at Cott in 11 yrs spells real trouble and perhaps a shark returning to the same succesful territory?

2 blokes in 11 years. If it was going back to the same successful territory wouldn't it be taking 1 a day, or at least a few each year? It's not like there's not the opportunity - there's people there pretty much all the time.

Well Funky is correct it was 11 years ago in 2000,
Then Brad in 2004, Brian in 2008, Nick Edwards,2010 the young Body Boarder in dunsborough 6 weeks ago.

Theses aren't attacks, these are killings. Not surprised if it's the same shark just patrolling the beach for another easy prey.

Think about this for a second. Is it just the whales that bring then in, or the fact the government bans on fishing have increased the size of the schools of snapper which also encourage them in to the large bays.

Here's an interesting read
thewall.com.au/topics/52170-shark-attack-at-popular-south-west-beach
there's heaps of other fisherman stories I know that get no write ups

SammyJ said...

Well Funky is correct it was 11 years ago in 2000,
Then Brad in 2004, Brian in 2008, Nick Edwards,2010 the young Body Boarder in dunsborough 6 weeks ago.

Theses aren't attacks, these are killings. Not surprised if it's the same shark just patrolling the beach for another easy prey.

Think about this for a second. Is it just the whales that bring then in, or the fact the government bans on fishing have increased the size of the schools of snapper which also encourage them in to the large bays.

Here's an interesting read
thewall.com.au/topics/52170-shark-attack-at-popular-south-west-beach
there's heaps of other fisherman stories I know that get no write ups

So your saying a shark only eats every 3-4years?

Sure there'll be 'rogue' shark attacks, but do the math - how many people in the water vs attacks...the percentage is extremely low, now if there were 'killings' within days, then that would cause some concern.

SHARKS DON'T EAT HUMANS! Same as I don't eat brussel sprouts, but if I was hungry, or mistook one for a dimsim, I'd take a bite. I've seen a few GWS here whils fishing, and it plays on my mind when the wind drops & I'm on my sinker waiting for the next gust whilst frantically kicking my legs to keep my board in position for a waterstart, but hey - if one gets me - it's a bit of bad luck for me I guess.

Btw, aren't you guys always complaining that the surf's too crowded?

pweedas said...

Ian K said...


Before saying 2 fatalities in 11 yrs is a problem you'd have to compare it to the stats for other non-natural causes of death in Cottesloe. Car crashes, workplace accidents, stabbings, drownings etc.

There have been zero attacks at Cottesloe during times of good visibilty, when the sharks can see what they are biting.

(Not statistically significant, but seems to reflect the conclusion shark experts make from attacks all over.)

There's a large window of acceptably safe swimming opportunities for families, given Cottesloe's generally sunny weather.

Just on the visibility thing, I was swimming there that day and the visibility was not all that bad. In fact I considered it was quite good compared to what it can be like when it's rough. And it didn't feel at all sharky, unlike some days when it feels very sharky.

I don't think we should declare wholesale war on sharks but any that come in close to popular swimming beaches and start supplementing their diet with people should be got rid of. And there shouldn't be any problem finding which one did it so long as they get out there and find it fast. It's not as if there are flotillas of them parked off the beach. I would say if you found just one it would be the one you were looking for.

How honestly can we be sure. No one even saw the shark? Other than some torn budgie smugglers (which i still find strange) there has been no other evidence of shark attack even?.

I have spoken with people i know who have witnessed first hand deaths from sharks and they all talk about the mess(body fluids and the like) in the water. Yet with a very quick search, extensive search, relatively good sea conditions and nothing? Police divers found a pair of shorts surely there must be more evidence? Or are we to think that the shark ate him hole and spat out the shorts? Was there any trace of blood or skin with the shorts?

Not being insensitive just find it so hard to understand.

jbshack said...

pweedas said...

Ian K said...


Before saying 2 fatalities in 11 yrs is a problem you'd have to compare it to the stats for other non-natural causes of death in Cottesloe. Car crashes, workplace accidents, stabbings, drownings etc.

There have been zero attacks at Cottesloe during times of good visibilty, when the sharks can see what they are biting.

(Not statistically significant, but seems to reflect the conclusion shark experts make from attacks all over.)

There's a large window of acceptably safe swimming opportunities for families, given Cottesloe's generally sunny weather.

Just on the visibility thing, I was swimming there that day and the visibility was not all that bad. In fact I considered it was quite good compared to what it can be like when it's rough. And it didn't feel at all sharky, unlike some days when it feels very sharky.

I don't think we should declare wholesale war on sharks but any that come in close to popular swimming beaches and start supplementing their diet with people should be got rid of. And there shouldn't be any problem finding which one did it so long as they get out there and find it fast. It's not as if there are flotillas of them parked off the beach. I would say if you found just one it would be the one you were looking for.

How honestly can we be sure. No one even saw the shark? Other than some torn budgie smugglers (which i still find strange) there has been no other evidence of shark attack even?.

I have spoken with people i know who have witnessed first hand deaths from sharks and they all talk about the mess(body fluids and the like) in the water. Yet with a very quick search, extensive search, relatively good sea conditions and nothing? Police divers found a pair of shorts surely there must be more evidence? Or are we to think that the shark ate him hole and spat out the shorts? Was there any trace of blood or skin with the shorts?

Not being insensitive just find it so hard to understand.

Was thinking like you! Maybe the big skid mark in the speedo?

The whole thing happened about 300 metres offshore. Had it been in the main swimming area then there would have been lots more people with very graphic descriptions.
I often see people swimming out that far and they seem to disappear for minutes at a time due to small swell lines coming through or chop or whatever.
I don't pay any attention to it because they always re-appear a bit later.
In this case, apparently he didn't.
Unless somebody was specifically watching, it could easily happen that a shark could just grab you and take you under. It's quite deep out there so not a lot you could do about it.

Another question I have is : was somthing left in the speedos? If not why were they at the bottom? Speedos float very well!!!

Listened to his yong bloke interviewed, said his old man loved the sea and knew the risks. So do I and they are pretty small.

GW's fitted with tracking devices travel huge distances. We know they follow the salmon and will take seals and occasionally humans. Other than that we know next to bugger all about them and have no idea when and where they will turn up.

There is next to f all we can do about them other than netting beaches which is not going to protect someone swimming so far out. Chopper observation would probably help but if there are that many around it may screw up the tourism.

Live with them or stay out of the sea.

doggie said...

japie said...



Live with them or stay out of the sea.

+1.

+2

What weighed down the shards of his budgie holsters - we probably don't want to know in this forum (and of course due respect to the old fella's rellies,enough distress there I reckon anyways)
Jeez it'd have to be the longest net in history to stretch up our straight WA coastline - the big carcharadons lurk from Albany to Geraldton and always have.
Do we have a water current change that is bringing them from South Africa????
I'm getting another beer to contemplate .... ohm ohm ohm!

Used to work for Fisheries Research in Perth, at the next desk was the shark research team. They're responsible for all the tagging and research for great whites in WA, maintaining the array etc.

Data suggests that the tagged sharks dont hang around very long at one spot, and from what I saw they migrate 1000's of kms. And guys, they are pretty common in Perth (whales, seals and large spawning fish aggs). I reckon alot more sharks have had a look at you than you know....

Food for thought..

pi22api22a said...

Used to work for Fisheries Research in Perth, at the next desk was the shark research team. They're responsible for all the tagging and research for great whites in WA, maintaining the array etc.

Data suggests that the tagged sharks dont hang around very long at one spot, and from what I saw they migrate 1000's of kms. And guys, they are pretty common in Perth (whales, seals and large spawning fish aggs). I reckon alot more sharks have had a look at you than you know.... Food for thought..

Thank you but I didn't need to know that!