Another Cottesloe fatal shark attack

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getfunky
getfunky
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11 Oct 2011 10:25am
OK - for the record, I am not one of those that normally jump off the deep end about shark fatalities and suggest hunting down the animal, in it's own environment, but it seems to me that things are definately getting worse as far as the frequency of shark attacks in WA.

2 fatalities at Cott in 11 yrs spells real trouble and perhaps a shark returning to the same succesful territory?


www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-10/missing-swimmer-shark-attack/3460948?section=wa

For those who don't know Cott it is year round one of the most popular and family friendly beaches in Perth.

Condolences to the Martin family and friends.
dusta
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11 Oct 2011 10:28am
come on GF it's whale migrating season . Of course there are sharks as they are following the whales down the coast . All this calling for culling is bull**** . Once we start taking the life of rapists, pedophiles and drunk drivers then cull sharks . Until then......


but my thoughts go out to the family for their loss .
whippingboy
whippingboy
WA
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11 Oct 2011 10:38am
Very sad,

I noticed the conditions were all there, calm, overcast, murky water, rained within
24 hours.

Is it true they buried a whale in the sand at Cott years ago ??

BabaORiley
BabaORiley
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11 Oct 2011 11:12am
whippingboy said...

Very sad,

I noticed the conditions were all there, calm, overcast, murky water, rained within
24 hours.

Is it true they buried a whale in the sand at Cott years ago ??




Same conditions as when Ken Crew got taken from the same area 5 or 6 years ago me thinks maybe even just a few years ago which wont make it 11 years funksta, its more damning than that.
Yes they are out there and there getting more frequent, migrating whales or none migrating whale season.
They burried a whale on Rotto a few years back, Noongar style. They drag it up the dune and buried it. They blew one up somewhere not so long ago as well, think it was more Jurian way.
BabaORiley
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11 Oct 2011 11:13am
thoughts go out to the families.
Flux
Flux
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11 Oct 2011 12:36pm
With over fishing, over population and exponential growth of human kind a current protection against shark culling this situation will increase and it will become more frequent.
Eventually if society doesn't come up with a futuristic shark barrier to prevent them coming within a swimming zone then more people will be eaten and your gonna have to start killing them.
Start now I say we're the top of the food chain lets reclaim it, stuff the sharks!
I don't know why there is such a debate on the shark it's killing humans plain and simple, if it was any other animal mass killing us we'd wipe them out so whats the problem?
doggie
doggie
WA
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11 Oct 2011 1:18pm
Flux said...

With over fishing, over population and exponential growth of human kind a current protection against shark culling this situation will increase and it will become more frequent.
Eventually if society doesn't come up with a futuristic shark barrier to prevent them coming within a swimming zone then more people will be eaten and your gonna have to start killing them.
Start now I say we're the top of the food chain lets reclaim it, stuff the sharks!
I don't know why there is such a debate on the shark it's killing humans plain and simple, if it was any other animal mass killing us we'd wipe them out so whats the problem?



If you could prove which shark it was and it was a problem, eg, the same shark has been in the area for ages and is a problem cull it.
In this case we dont know the exact shark so what do we do??
Do we kill every GWS with in 30k radius?
Doudou
Doudou
WA
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11 Oct 2011 1:22pm
Flux said...

With over fishing, over population and exponential growth of human kind a current protection against shark culling this situation will increase and it will become more frequent.
Eventually if society doesn't come up with a futuristic shark barrier to prevent them coming within a swimming zone then more people will be eaten and your gonna have to start killing them.
Start now I say we're the top of the food chain lets reclaim it, stuff the sharks!
I don't know why there is such a debate on the shark it's killing humans plain and simple, if it was any other animal mass killing us we'd wipe them out so whats the problem?



Are you serious?
Are we killing all the predators that live among us? How would that help? We are on their territory, and biting is one of their senses. Most of the time They dont end up eating you...though you might die because of the bite.

I know it's been said over and over again, sharks kill way less than other animals.. so stop the B******t.
BabaORiley
BabaORiley
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11 Oct 2011 1:32pm
BabaORiley said...

whippingboy said...

Very sad,

I noticed the conditions were all there, calm, overcast, murky water, rained within
24 hours.

Is it true they buried a whale in the sand at Cott years ago ??




Same conditions as when Ken Crew got taken from the same area 5 or 6 years ago me thinks maybe even just a few years ago which wont make it 11 years funksta, its more damning than that.
Yes they are out there and there getting more frequent, migrating whales or none migrating whale season.
They burried a whale on Rotto a few years back, Noongar style. They drag it up the dune and buried it. They blew one up somewhere not so long ago as well, think it was more Jurian way.


Far out time fly's
It was 11 years ago Ken Crew got taken Funky one.
Seems like just yesterday.
Remember old man Sirkowski had his goat boat attacked a few years before too.
Is it the same noah?

longwinded
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11 Oct 2011 1:49pm
What suprises me is how long it took to identify a shark attack after finding the speedo's. Surely the heavy skidmark would of been a dead give away.
Ian K
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11 Oct 2011 1:52pm

Before saying 2 fatalities in 11 yrs is a problem you'd have to compare it to the stats for other non-natural causes of death in Cottesloe. Car crashes, workplace accidents, stabbings, drownings etc.

There have been zero attacks at Cottesloe during times of good visibilty, when the sharks can see what they are biting.

(Not statistically significant, but seems to reflect the conclusion shark experts make from attacks all over.)

There's a large window of acceptably safe swimming opportunities for families, given Cottesloe's generally sunny weather.

doggie
doggie
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11 Oct 2011 1:59pm
Doudou said...

Flux said...

With over fishing, over population and exponential growth of human kind a current protection against shark culling this situation will increase and it will become more frequent.
Eventually if society doesn't come up with a futuristic shark barrier to prevent them coming within a swimming zone then more people will be eaten and your gonna have to start killing them.
Start now I say we're the top of the food chain lets reclaim it, stuff the sharks!
I don't know why there is such a debate on the shark it's killing humans plain and simple, if it was any other animal mass killing us we'd wipe them out so whats the problem?



Are you serious?
Are we killing all the predators that live among us? How would that help? We are on their territory, and biting is one of their senses. Most of the time They dont end up eating you...though you might die because of the bite.

I know it's been said over and over again, sharks kill way less than other animals.. so stop the B******t.


One in every crowd mate, after every attack one or two people want to kill every shark in the ocean. Its a regular thing
barn
barn
WA
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11 Oct 2011 2:02pm
How many years ago was it deemed ok to kill all the sharks in an area for the safety of swimmers? It probably happened in the 70's or 80's?.. I dunno but I recall a documentary about people getting angry, and culling the grey nurse...

Now, only a small minority of people think that way.. Progress, a genuine zeitgeist!.. Even everybody's favorite trigger happy Doggie is one the sharks side!!..


Nobody panics if somebody drowns, or gets run over, overdoses, or shot in Afghanistan, because it's all part of the plan.. But one little shark bites one little swimmer and everybody looses their minds!!

felixdcat
felixdcat
WA
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11 Oct 2011 2:03pm
doggie said...

Flux said...

With over fishing, over population and exponential growth of human kind a current protection against shark culling this situation will increase and it will become more frequent.
Eventually if society doesn't come up with a futuristic shark barrier to prevent them coming within a swimming zone then more people will be eaten and your gonna have to start killing them.
Start now I say we're the top of the food chain lets reclaim it, stuff the sharks!
I don't know why there is such a debate on the shark it's killing humans plain and simple, if it was any other animal mass killing us we'd wipe them out so whats the problem?

If you could prove which shark it was and it was a problem, eg, the same shark has been in the area for ages and is a problem cull it.
In this case we dont know the exact shark so what do we do??
Do we kill every GWS with in 30k radius?
Sharks are the foxes of the sea, if I see a shark bang! fish and chips!



doggie
doggie
WA
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11 Oct 2011 2:08pm
felixdcat said...

doggie said...

Flux said...

With over fishing, over population and exponential growth of human kind a current protection against shark culling this situation will increase and it will become more frequent.
Eventually if society doesn't come up with a futuristic shark barrier to prevent them coming within a swimming zone then more people will be eaten and your gonna have to start killing them.
Start now I say we're the top of the food chain lets reclaim it, stuff the sharks!
I don't know why there is such a debate on the shark it's killing humans plain and simple, if it was any other animal mass killing us we'd wipe them out so whats the problem?

If you could prove which shark it was and it was a problem, eg, the same shark has been in the area for ages and is a problem cull it.
In this case we dont know the exact shark so what do we do??
Do we kill every GWS with in 30k radius?
Sharks are the foxes of the sea, if I see a shark bang! fish and chips!






I hope barn dosnt see that

I dont agree on that there Felix, the GWS is a protected species and the fox is vermin.
felixdcat
felixdcat
WA
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11 Oct 2011 2:13pm
doggie said...

felixdcat said...

doggie said...

Flux said...

With over fishing, over population and exponential growth of human kind a current protection against shark culling this situation will increase and it will become more frequent.
Eventually if society doesn't come up with a futuristic shark barrier to prevent them coming within a swimming zone then more people will be eaten and your gonna have to start killing them.
Start now I say we're the top of the food chain lets reclaim it, stuff the sharks!
I don't know why there is such a debate on the shark it's killing humans plain and simple, if it was any other animal mass killing us we'd wipe them out so whats the problem?

If you could prove which shark it was and it was a problem, eg, the same shark has been in the area for ages and is a problem cull it.
In this case we dont know the exact shark so what do we do??
Do we kill every GWS with in 30k radius?
Sharks are the foxes of the sea, if I see a shark bang! fish and chips!






I hope barn dosnt see that

I dont agree on that there Felix, the GWS is a protected species and the fox is vermin.
IMO they are fugly killers and protected vermin of the see, they eat my fish and the Japs whales..... Shotgun loaded with solids or power spear head and presto lota fish and chips!
felixdcat
felixdcat
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11 Oct 2011 2:15pm
Have an idea! capture them alive and send them to Xmas island...... Then sink the boats and there we are 2 probs sorted! Hope they do not mind halal food!
doggie
doggie
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11 Oct 2011 2:17pm
felixdcat said...

Have an idea! capture them alive and send them to Xmas island...... Then sink the boats and there we are 2 probs sorted! Hope they do not mind halal food!


Possibly the worst idea ever posted in these forums

You just want a GWS so you can cook it in your oven
felixdcat
felixdcat
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11 Oct 2011 2:21pm
doggie said...

felixdcat said...

Have an idea! capture them alive and send them to Xmas island...... Then sink the boats and there we are 2 probs sorted! Hope they do not mind halal food!


Possibly the worst idea ever posted in these forums

You just want a GWS so you can cook it in your oven

Yumooooooo! Wood fired oven slow cooked baby BGW fillets! With my home made aioli surrounded by chips!on a bed of water cress!
AquaPlow
AquaPlow
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11 Oct 2011 4:49pm
Hate to be on the receiving end (the teeth or being given the news...)
Condolences from me..
(^ Yum - BBQéd swordfish on a skewer as a kid in Turkey - my favourite - instead of shish-kebab - shish-kalish <sounds like that but spelling - who knows> so GWS would be spot on)

Do U have shark nets over there around the city beaches?
We do on the sunny coast and despite comments to the futility of them, the comments and observations of the contractor handling the nets is the opposite. They are indiscriminate in what is caught - although I reckon the dolphins along our beaches are aware of them. Talking to the in-laws about their youth and anyone living by / near the sea knew of at least one acquaintance killed by a shark. In part due to way better trauma response and resourcing, but also in part due to the nets this is not the norm' now. The nets are good at removing the territorial predator due to the way they track through their territory.

As for respecting them - nice thought but the number caught de-finned and chucked back in to die by fisherman after shark fin makes knocking a couple on the head annually meaningless in the bigger scheme of things.[}:)]

I know when I am kiting passed the nets it makes me nervous - but no nets - no worries

cheers
AP
Woodo
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11 Oct 2011 3:10pm
felixdcat said...

doggie said...

felixdcat said...

Have an idea! capture them alive and send them to Xmas island...... Then sink the boats and there we are 2 probs sorted! Hope they do not mind halal food!


Possibly the worst idea ever posted in these forums

You just want a GWS so you can cook it in your oven

Yumooooooo! Wood fired oven slow cooked baby BGW fillets! With my home made aioli surrounded by chips!on a bed of water cress!



You'll need a bigger oven if you get a 4 metre fillet...
pweedas
pweedas
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11 Oct 2011 3:30pm
Ian K said...


Before saying 2 fatalities in 11 yrs is a problem you'd have to compare it to the stats for other non-natural causes of death in Cottesloe. Car crashes, workplace accidents, stabbings, drownings etc.

There have been zero attacks at Cottesloe during times of good visibilty, when the sharks can see what they are biting.

(Not statistically significant, but seems to reflect the conclusion shark experts make from attacks all over.)

There's a large window of acceptably safe swimming opportunities for families, given Cottesloe's generally sunny weather.




Just on the visibility thing, I was swimming there that day and the visibility was not all that bad. In fact I considered it was quite good compared to what it can be like when it's rough. And it didn't feel at all sharky, unlike some days when it feels very sharky.

I don't think we should declare wholesale war on sharks but any that come in close to popular swimming beaches and start supplementing their diet with people should be got rid of. And there shouldn't be any problem finding which one did it so long as they get out there and find it fast. It's not as if there are flotillas of them parked off the beach. I would say if you found just one it would be the one you were looking for.
felixdcat
felixdcat
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11 Oct 2011 3:39pm
Woodo said...

felixdcat said...

doggie said...

felixdcat said...

Have an idea! capture them alive and send them to Xmas island...... Then sink the boats and there we are 2 probs sorted! Hope they do not mind halal food!


Possibly the worst idea ever posted in these forums

You just want a GWS so you can cook it in your oven

Yumooooooo! Wood fired oven slow cooked baby BGW fillets! With my home made aioli surrounded by chips!on a bed of water cress!



You'll need a bigger oven if you get a 4 metre fillet...

Nah! Just use baby ones.... lot more tender

Woodo
Woodo
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11 Oct 2011 3:49pm
pweedas said...





I don't think we should declare wholesale war on sharks but any that come in close to popular swimming beaches and start supplementing their diet with people should be got rid of. And there shouldn't be any problem finding which one did it so long as they get out there and find it fast. It's not as if there are flotillas of them parked off the beach. I would say if you found just one it would be the one you were looking for.


Agreed.
getfunky
getfunky
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11 Oct 2011 4:12pm
Look I'm not saying we should automatically go shark hunting.

However, in a few years from now when (IMO) there is a good chance that attcks/fatalaties are very much on the rise (I think we can all agree that fish stocks are depleting and sharks are getting hungry/desperate) we will probably have to give knocking off the ones involved in attacks serious consideration.

Just sayin options should be floated and if a workable shark net can be used then all good if they are deployed at beachies with sharky history
barn
barn
WA
2960 posts
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11 Oct 2011 4:20pm
felixdcat said...


Sharks are the foxes of the sea, if I see a shark bang! fish and chips!




Yet foxes are native, and fill an important ecological niche throughout most of the world.. And sharks are native to the oceans..

Yours is an outdated philosophy, you are the current version of the idiots who exterminated the thylacine..

Our oceans are on the brink of ecological collapse, and your posts will be backtracked by future generations and subject to school history projects on how farking dumb people were in 2011..
dusta
dusta
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11 Oct 2011 4:21pm
getfunky said...

Look I'm not saying we should automatically go shark hunting.

However, in a few years from now when (IMO) there is a good chance that fatalaties are very much on the rise (I think we can all agree that fish stocks are depleting and sharks are getting hungry/desperate) we will probably have to give it serious consideration.

Just sayin options should be floated and if a workable shark net can be used then all good if they are deployed at beachies with sharky history.




lets just chuck all the rapists , pedo's and drunk drivers in the ocean and act as bait and then we can enjoy a safe swim
doggie
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WA
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11 Oct 2011 4:23pm
barn said...

felixdcat said...


Sharks are the foxes of the sea, if I see a shark bang! fish and chips!




Yet foxes are native, and fill an important ecological niche throughout most of the world.. And sharks are native to the oceans..

Yours is an outdated philosophy, you are the current version of the idiots who exterminated the thylacine..

Our oceans are on the brink of ecological collapse, and your posts will be backtracked by future generations and subject to school history projects on how farking dumb people were in 2011..



Foxes are vermin barn, same as goats but we can eat goats, not foxes..
barn
barn
WA
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11 Oct 2011 4:35pm
^^put the emphasis on throughout most of the world... That excludes Australia(for now) , Goats are native also, and some are quite endangered, in certain parts of the world.. You wouldn't shoot an Arctic fox if it was in it's native environment? (hahah ooh deer I'm not sure I wanna kno)

Point is that Sharks are native, not 'Introduced foxes of the sea'
doggie
doggie
WA
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11 Oct 2011 4:43pm
barn said...

^^put the emphasis on throughout most of the world... That excludes Australia(for now) , Goats are native also, and some are quite endangered, in certain parts of the world.. You wouldn't shoot an Arctic fox if it was in it's native environment? (hahah ooh deer I'm not sure I wanna kno)

Point is that Sharks are native, not 'Introduced foxes of the sea'



We are talking in Australia you twit

Im going to avoid a sh!t fight and not comment...............
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