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While waiting for the new KT "Arc" parawing boards, I've been riding an Omen parawing-specific proto type, the "Pelagic" at 76L 6'6" x 17.5. I'm 93 kg. While I initially found it very narrow (I'm tall and like some offset in my stance), I've gotten used to it. It's actually quite low volume in the nose in contrast to the thinking that we need some volume to allow the nose to rebound and not bog, but the stand out feature is the ability to take off super easily. Being so narrow it rarely catches rail and a 77cm mast feels very sporty. In high wind it slices through the air going upwind. The KT will be 78L, 6' x 20.5 or so, so it'll be interesting to compare its ease of take off with some extra stability from the added width with the Omen's torpedo shape. The KT falls more in line with the Frank mini-Dart-style design. The Omen actually releases easier than my 7'6" SUP and is far less tracky, so if there's more than marginal wind for my 4.3, the Omen is good to go and offers a very high performance feel without being crazy unstable starting. Downside is I sink quickly if the wind lulls.
so you using this sub 18-20L board in marginal winds on the 4.3 . ? that's crazy. We also though we needed more width on the boards say 19-20 - yet my DW sup and prone boards were all 17' wide. Make sense to be narrow as possible. Does it "track" though . when you don't want it to ?
Select to expand quoteVelocicraptor said..Windoc said..
While waiting for the new KT "Arc" parawing boards, I've been riding an Omen parawing-specific proto type, the "Pelagic" at 76L 6'6" x 17.5. I'm 93 kg. While I initially found it very narrow (I'm tall and like some offset in my stance), I've gotten used to it. It's actually quite low volume in the nose in contrast to the thinking that we need some volume to allow the nose to rebound and not bog, but the stand out feature is the ability to take off super easily. Being so narrow it rarely catches rail and a 77cm mast feels very sporty. In high wind it slices through the air going upwind. The KT will be 78L, 6' x 20.5 or so, so it'll be interesting to compare its ease of take off with some extra stability from the added width with the Omen's torpedo shape. The KT falls more in line with the Frank mini-Dart-style design. The Omen actually releases easier than my 7'6" SUP and is far less tracky, so if there's more than marginal wind for my 4.3, the Omen is good to go and offers a very high performance feel without being crazy unstable starting. Downside is I sink quickly if the wind lulls.
This post has some good nuggets in it. Interesting to compare the different design theories out there and exciting to see whats coming from KT/Omen. I'm guessing the lack of volume in the nose of the Omen is offset with some additional length ahead of the stance? Its not so much "volume in the nose" and more "volume ahead of the stance". Ive parawinged some lower volume wing boards without enhanced nose volume and I notice that my stance scoots back vs winging the same board.
I think "parawing needs volume in the nose" is an oversimplification, and maybe a bit of limited thinking. It's probably better to say that "parawing needs SUPPORT from the nose", or "parawing needs a way to stop the nose from diving". Yes, that can come from Volume - that's one good solution. It can also come from length out front, outline, nose rocker, and even the way tail rocker&outline allows a board to track through the water in a certain way. And obviously the best is a the perfect balance of all of those things (including volume). But just adding volume doesn't do much once you're already on the surface and the nose is above waterline.
Really there are two categories good wind and bad wind. Good wind do what you want as anything with in reason will work.
Bad/marginal wind needs more thought.
Select to expand quotehilly said..
Really there are two categories good wind and bad wind. Good wind do what you want as anything with in reason will work.
Bad/marginal wind needs more thought.
yes and no. The nose "thing" was a real issue on that 70km osprey exmouth run on the 65Ml in head to double head high runners starting wise and the reason i got the 75 instead - which was a shame because the 65 was significantlt more nimble. Then again i was only 4 para sessions in might be a different story now so you may very well be right. Steely and angus are on 19L prones in big winds so not sure there is any talk of nose volume etc lol!
must admit since this thread i've been getting up way further back and . not many issues 
Select to expand quoteeppo said..hilly said..
Really there are two categories good wind and bad wind. Good wind do what you want as anything with in reason will work.
Bad/marginal wind needs more thought.
yes and no. The nose "thing" was a real issue on that 70km osprey exmouth run on the 65Ml in head to double head high runners starting wise and the reason i got the 75 instead - which was a shame because the 65 was significantlt more nimble. Then again i was only 4 para sessions in might be a different story now so you may very well be right. Steely and angus are on 19L prones in big winds so not sure there is any talk of nose volume etc lol!
must admit since this thread i've been getting up way further back and . not many issues
Wait until you get the 5.4 you will be on a prone board.
All the beginners here are just using wing boards and doing really well. No need for a para board in good wind.
Clearly nobody from OZ is going to order an 1800 Euro custom as the Euro is bizarrely overvalued to the USD, and even more so to AUD.
That said, Jurek builds a bombproof and lightweight board with a thin high density foam skin all the way around the rails. The core is machined out and waterproof foam regardless. The mast base sits below the deck of the board for drag reduction. Super labor intensive construction. I rented one in Corralejo about five years ago, then bought one. Used it for two seasons and sold it on La Palma, it's still going strong here after many folks used it to learn on (it's 93L and wiiiide).
That green board would probably be my first choice if I could have anything I wanted...
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so you using this sub 18-20L board in marginal winds on the 4.3 . ? that's crazy. We also though we needed more width on the boards say 19-20 - yet my DW sup and prone boards were all 17' wide. Make sense to be narrow as possible. Does it "track" though . when you don't want it to ?
I'd say that the tracking issue of a longer narrower board is not so present on the Omen, but I was coming from a DW surf shape at 7'7" for lighter air and it tracks like mad. I was constantly being pulled off my toeside rail on starts with great frustration. The Omen has very little of this feeling in comparison. For me, marginal winds would be @ 16 knots to get up and flying on the Omen with the 4.3. If I can get the board to the surface and have reasonable pull in the PW, it has a great chance of getting going quickly; even faster than my DW board. I also rode a 2 year old 6.6, 90L AK Nomad which worked super well for PW as well and didn't track terribly.
Hi all, for anyone who has had experience parawinging with the Amos Cypher board in 5'10" to 6'4" range, pls share thoughts.
thanks
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I have the 6' x 19 x 82L (same board in '25) and the shape, while really quite good could use a little more volume up front. It's easy to stuff the nose and kill your momentum on Pwing starts.
The construction is absolute crap though. Not a shred of carbon in it and it cracks and dents if you look at it crosseyed.
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I have the 6' x 19 x 82L (same board in '25) and the shape, while really quite good could use a little more volume up front. It's easy to stuff the nose and kill your momentum on Pwing starts.
The construction is absolute crap though. Not a shred of carbon in it and it cracks and dents if you look at it crosseyed.
My F One mid 78l works really nicely for pw. I like it over all. It's not the most efficient shape getting off the water but it's pretty good. It's super stable despite being narrow at 19 wide.
It's the bamboo construction which is very light weight but I agree it's not holding up great after a year of use. Several cracks have started to show where another construction would likely have held up better.
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Hi all, for anyone who has had experience parawinging with the Amos Cypher board in 5'10" to 6'4" range, pls share thoughts.
thanks
Hit up Foil Rat on instagram. That's what he WAS using until he bought some Frank boards.
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I have the 6' x 19 x 82L (same board in '25) and the shape, while really quite good could use a little more volume up front. It's easy to stuff the nose and kill your momentum on Pwing starts.
The construction is absolute crap though. Not a shred of carbon in it and it cracks and dents if you look at it crosseyed.
oh . that's not good .
I looked at those new Fone parawing boards when they first came in. I did not like the shape and I thought the tracks are too short
I bought a KT super K2 90L (my weight 85Kg) which is proving an exceptional parawing board, it has good nose volume you can really push against in the starts and it pops right back. It's also an awesome wing board with no downside I've found. I hardly ride my 65L ML anymore.
I don't see the need for these so called parawing specific boards, some midlengths are better than others but they will all work for parawinging you just need the right volume for your weight.
disagree - they will evolve boards to suite parawing more. but for now yeh - any mid will do the job
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disagree - they will evolve boards to suite parawing more. but for now yeh - any mid will do the job
How much better do we think they will get? What's the tangible change we predict?
I've been thinking about this a lot watching this thread unfold. If the perfect parawing board released tomorrow, would everyone be on lower volumes? Shorter lengths? Smaller sails? Or, will it be more of a small upgrade? A 5% easier but no significant alteration to dims and sails?
Select to expand quoteBWalnut said..eppo said..
disagree - they will evolve boards to suite parawing more. but for now yeh - any mid will do the job
How much better do we think they will get? What's the tangible change we predict?
I've been thinking about this a lot watching this thread unfold. If the perfect parawing board released tomorrow, would everyone be on lower volumes? Shorter lengths? Smaller sails? Or, will it be more of a small upgrade? A 5% easier but no significant alteration to dims and sails?
There is no perfect board. What I like will be totally different to what you like and that is good. Vive la difference
