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What are common injuries in wing foiling and what situations / setups should be avoided?

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Created by Kalevi > 9 months ago, 19 Oct 2021
Kalevi
28 posts
19 Oct 2021 6:32AM
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Hi, I am former windsurfer / windfoiler and now kind of intermediate level wingsurfer.
A year ago I broke my foot while wind foiling - got stuck in the back strap when I fell backwards. This is quite typical injury in wind foiling. Nowadays I foil strapless (both wind and wing). Foot is already fine but I do not want to repeat the injury.

However, I am interested in learning to jump with wing and therefore should start to use the straps.
Have the foot straps caused you a risk situation or injuries in wing foiling? In jibes, waves, speed, jumps, when ventilating and falling etc?

I recently also got my first bigger waves (at least on my scale, somewhat higher than me). It was fun but felt a bit risky. Is there something to know in wave riding to avoid injuries?

Also other wing foiling oriented injuries like strain injuries would be nice to know and prevent: e.g I started with ensis wing V1 and now own permanent lumps in index finger bones as they where rubbed to central strut. Though now after learning basics I can hold ensis wing better and avoid rubbing and pressure points.

It would be "nice" to know what kind of close shave or leading to injury situations you have had and what we can learn from them.

King Crash
NSW, 319 posts
19 Oct 2021 9:45AM
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Kalevi said..
Hi, I am former windsurfer / windfoiler and now kind of intermediate level wingsurfer.
A year ago I broke my foot while wind foiling - got stuck in the back strap when I fell backwards. This is quite typical injury in wind foiling. Nowadays I foil strapless (both wind and wing). Foot is already fine but I do not want to repeat the injury.

However, I am interested in learning to jump with wing and therefore should start to use the straps.
Have the foot straps caused you a risk situation or injuries in wing foiling? In jibes, waves, speed, jumps, when ventilating and falling etc?

I recently also got my first bigger waves (at least on my scale, somewhat higher than me). It was fun but felt a bit risky. Is there something to know in wave riding to avoid injuries?

Also other wing foiling oriented injuries like strain injuries would be nice to know and prevent: e.g I started with ensis wing V1 and now own permanent lumps in index finger bones as they where rubbed to central strut. Though now after learning basics I can hold ensis wing better and avoid rubbing and pressure points.

It would be "nice" to know what kind of close shave or leading to injury situations you have had and what we can learn from them.


only memorable injuries:

- not paying attention on very fast wing, ventilated head first and sore neck for a few days
- a couple of abrasions on feet from foot straps rubbing
- kicked tail wing and cut my foot

the real injury is putting holes in the butt of my wetsuit from starting my sinker, need a new wetsuit now...

First thing to learn when jumping is how to safely crash, then you'll never have an issue.

LeeD
3939 posts
19 Oct 2021 7:08AM
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Waves, start strapless until confident, then straps for jumping.
Jumping. Either super tall but narrow, which does stress a kles and knees, for the young and flexible....
Or, slalom tight so your Midwood and heel is free to float and pivot out, for the guys who need to get out on every fall.
Just like windsurfing.

Dcharlton
320 posts
19 Oct 2021 11:06AM
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Falling into my foil is the worst, hitting my side left a bad bruise but that's it. I wear a helmet, I'd also recommend wearing an impact vest.

I haven't used footstraps as I don't jump. Never had a problem with them when I windfoiled.

Definitely should always wear a helmet at least and wouldn't be bad to wear an impact vest.

DC

Jeroensurf
1084 posts
19 Oct 2021 1:33PM
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Cuts on my hand from pushing the stab through a heavy shorebreak but quite often: bruised ego due all the crashes.Straps: I tried them last week again, and I can carve a bit harder strapped compared to strapless, but don,t like the feel of being locked in. With windsurfing I can do forwards, backies and pushloops on a goo day, but jumping with a foil underneath me doesn't feel that save.
bigger risk of landing on them and that has more consequenties....So I stay strapless and max 75cm above the water. (I have an 82cm mast)

Piros
QLD, 7240 posts
19 Oct 2021 3:56PM
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I never ride strapped so no injuries but lots of injuries to my wing from the foil , mainly on the beach .

Winger12
32 posts
19 Oct 2021 11:07PM
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Regarding to straps: I'm using two front strap -setup. At beginner stage my foot got sometimes stuck in straps after falling. With big, heavy beginner board it was sometimes hard to get them out as board was flat on water and i was laying on other side with my foot twisted inside strap. I have not had that problem for a long time. Maybe partly because now when falling i have reflex to kick out of straps during a fall. Other thing is that my board is now much smaller so it's easier manouver.

I have had one close call in waves that didn't include straps but the leash.
Wind was pretty strong, i was using 6m2 wing wich was too big for conditions. At some point i was on the water and wing was 2m away from me, flapping in wind at end of the leash. I tried to pull wing towards me, but leash was so slippery and wind was pulling so strongly that leash slipped from my hand. Without thinking too much, i wrapped leash one time around my hand to get a better grip - big mistake! At the same time big wave came behind and broke straight on top of the wing causing a massive pull to leash. I felt leash crushing with tremendeous power around my hand for a brief moment, then it luckily slipped off and i got pulled with wave for a moment from wrist attachement. After that my hand went numb and i was sure that bones in my hand were crushed. Got back to the beach where sensations came back to hand and was left only with some bleading bruises. I have been kiting many years and always been very cautious to never wrap any lines around myself. But winging is so laid back and feels so safe that i forgot to be alert. Good remainder for me indeed!
Now i'm starting to jump aswell and use backstrap also. I'm also very interested about hearing if people have had close calls with jumping and especially tips to avoid them. I would imagine that the risk factor will increase a lot especially when adding rotations. I think the foil is most dangerous when stalled - at least those have been the situations when i have been close to jackknife/tacoing. And after landing this can be a thing to keep in mind i suppose?

foilthegreats
769 posts
20 Oct 2021 12:22AM
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Only time I get sketched out is when using my Armstrong 100cm mast. I've had a few really awkward tacos when doing spinning airs. The long mast can have some really awkward leverage but thankfully I'm limber enough to get away uninjured so far.

I also think straps can increase safety as you can control the board when crashing. You will also be able to recover in critical situations that without straps would be a yard sale.

I wear booties and that also helps prevent injury as my foot can twist in the bootie while stuck in the strap.

Warm water I use these 2mm and they're great: soliteboots.com/collections/all-products/products/2022-2mm-custom-omni-2-0

toppleover
QLD, 2067 posts
20 Oct 2021 8:04AM
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Hav'nt tried wingfoiling yet but looking into it a fair bit now.
Question: is it hard on your lower back?
I had a back injury years ago, no probs prone foil or kiting.

paul.j
QLD, 3368 posts
20 Oct 2021 8:07AM
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toppleover said..

Question: is it hard on your lower back?
I had a back injury years ago, no probs prone foil or kiting.



No and if you have kited it is far easier on the body for sure so you should be sweet.

King Crash
NSW, 319 posts
20 Oct 2021 9:10AM
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foilthegreats said..
Only time I get sketched out is when using my Armstrong 100cm mast. I've had a few really awkward tacos when doing spinning airs. The long mast can have some really awkward leverage but thankfully I'm limber enough to get away uninjured so far.

I also think straps can increase safety as you can control the board when crashing. You will also be able to recover in critical situations that without straps would be a yard sale.

I wear booties and that also helps prevent injury as my foot can twist in the bootie while stuck in the strap.

Warm water I use these 2mm and they're great: soliteboots.com/collections/all-products/products/2022-2mm-custom-omni-2-0


I agree, straps greatly improve safety. Plenty of situations where I would of gone over the handlebars or lost it, have been saved by straps.


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toppleover said..
Hav'nt tried wingfoiling yet but looking into it a fair bit now.
Question: is it hard on your lower back?
I had a back injury years ago, no probs prone foil or kiting.



No issues winging. Only possibility of injuring your lower back would be to flip the wing when upside down from the middle. Follow Alan Cadiz's method and flip from wing tips, and no load on your back.

Jedibrad
NSW, 527 posts
20 Oct 2021 1:46PM
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Wrist strap caused me a shoulder injury, I now stick it on a waist band. Leg rope goes there too

Kalevi
28 posts
20 Oct 2021 4:35PM
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Jedibrad said..
Wrist strap caused me a shoulder injury, I now stick it on a waist band. Leg rope goes there too


I have noticed that risk as well. Do you use harness lines also? Whether they can be used at the same time in same belt / harness? Any other disadvantages to connect wing leash to belt/harness? I also connect board leash to back off the harness. Really hard pulls sometimes when crashing from high speed and do not like the idea that my leg is pulled (I have loose knees from soccer) .

MidAtlanticFoil
825 posts
20 Oct 2021 8:15PM
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I jammed my wrist recently. Riding downwind going fast on a bump with the wing flagged out, I breached and Superman'd out. When I hit the water I didn't let go of the LE handle and the deceleration of the wing versus my momentum wasn't a good scenario. Luckily it wasn't bad and shook it off, but definitely made a mental note to ditch the wing on that type of fall in the future.

eppo
WA, 9753 posts
20 Oct 2021 9:36PM
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Yep above, same has happened to me. still have a sore wrist from it after a few months. I'm still holding onto the damn thing though. gotta learn to let it go.

MidAtlanticFoil
825 posts
20 Oct 2021 11:03PM
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eppo said..
Yep above, same has happened to me. still have a sore wrist from it after a few months. I'm still holding onto the damn thing though. gotta learn to let it go.


So i'm not the only one haha, I'm so used to keeping at least a hand on the front strut handle when bailing under normal powered flight. No issue there.

Side note: I rarely have my wing actually relying on the leash. I'll grab the leash a few feet in front of the anchor point (LE Handle) before I let it go loose. Maybe I'm subconsciously scared of the leash failing, but at least the wing rarely flips over.

Windbot
509 posts
20 Oct 2021 11:05PM
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Long time windfoiler and 1.5 year occasional wingfoiler here. I would windfoil with front straps only and have never had an injury. Last year I was wingfoiling strapless and fell inwards during a jibe, tweaking my knee sideways. I damaged my meniscus and was limping for months. It's fine now, but was easily the worst injury I've had of the two sports. I don't think winging is any safer than windfoiling other than there's no mast to bonk your head on.

juandesooka
615 posts
20 Oct 2021 11:19PM
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Mid and eppo...same for me. Didn't let go on a Wipeout and expended my wrist back farther than it goes. Either a sprain or slight break...I didn't want to lose water time so didn't get it checked out....and it still hurts more than a year later, i now need to wear a wrist brace to surf foil. :-(

Let go on Wipeout, takes 5 seconds to reel back in

Velocicraptor
832 posts
21 Oct 2021 12:04AM
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Ive had some elbow tendon issues after long sessions or lots of volume.

I don't often wear a helmet, but I realize I should. I recently swam under my board to clean off some seaweed off of the foil, a tiny wave hit my board and I got cracked on the forehead with the back of my mast. The contact wasn't very hard, but it made a pretty deep gash and was a wakeup to the fact that hitting my head on a foil could do some real damage. I think helmets are probably an underrated piece of equipment in this sport.

MidAtlanticFoil
825 posts
21 Oct 2021 2:25AM
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Velocicraptor said..
Ive had some elbow tendon issues after long sessions or lots of volume.

I don't often wear a helmet, but I realize I should. I recently swam under my board to clean off some seaweed off of the foil, a tiny wave hit my board and I got cracked on the forehead with the back of my mast. The contact wasn't very hard, but it made a pretty deep gash and was a wakeup to the fact that hitting my head on a foil could do some real damage. I think helmets are probably an underrated piece of equipment in this sport.


I wear a gath and get some kook jokes from friends, but I'm not keen on stitches! Recently had an awkward dismount coming in and the nose caught me in the back of the helmet.

eppo
WA, 9753 posts
21 Oct 2021 6:26AM
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Must admit I did let go the other day with my first wing on the 925 in decent swell. I was going so fast (relative to what I'm used to on the 1250) . But the "let go" wAsnt the purpose or reason, I literally just jumped off, arms and legs going every which way and screamed like a little girl. The lads are still giving me sh1t about it two weeks later.


Got back on the 1250 yesterday - man it felt pedestrian.

and yeh I'm getting a bit of elbow tendinitis. Gotta massage the hell out of them most days.

ah well better to bust than rust.

LeeD
3939 posts
21 Oct 2021 6:38AM
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Try an auto message, they really seem to work.
40 bucks from Big5.

stroppo
WA, 747 posts
21 Oct 2021 8:02AM
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I seem to get chest pains regularly
every time I go to work when there's wind so I strongly recommend against this working thing

windwakerider
WA, 51 posts
21 Oct 2021 8:03PM
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Last Feb. I tried to save a jibe going wrong, hyperextended my knee, 'Pop'....torn meniscus, hairline fracture and sprained MCL. I will never try to save a bad situation again. Just let it go and fall.

broVan
143 posts
21 Oct 2021 9:48PM
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I have some major winger's elbow. Haven't been able to straighten elbow for 9 months. I am a craftsman, always using hands/forearms which contributes to overuse. It doesn't hurt so much while winging. I have been massaging and rolling it out and stretching but it hasn't helped much. I ride with harness always nowadays. I think the harness is the best thing ever. I ride Dart wings which have an intense pull. Jump alot which is a lot of load on elbows. My ART 999 is helping a lot with slipping through the water and reducing pull on arms. Ski season should help.

juandesooka
615 posts
22 Oct 2021 1:21AM
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Helmet...been bonked in head so many times sup and wing foiling, it's an always. Wish I could say the same for proning, as i am out of water for a week with stiches and a swollen head, which would have been avoided with a helmet. But at least I didn't look like a nerd! Actually I did, as I was hearing a hood anyway. Complacency kills! You don't need that helmet 99.9% of sessions, then when you do it might seriously save your life. And that moment probably won't be when it's double overhead and 40kts and you're jacked ... it'll happen when it's an easy 12kt day in waist high surf and you don't have a care or concern in the world. And it'll happen so quick you won't have time to get your hands up to protect yourself. Sorry for the PSA / rant, but it's fresh in my mind.

Elbow tendonitis....is a b*tch, as all of these sports flow through there. And for some, work too, BroVan with tools, me with mouse. I've had tennis elbow on and off for last 10 years, which I blamed on mousing, but when it formed in left arm, that clarified it. There's all kinds of things you can try, none of which ever worked all that well for me. Some people find the elbow brace with the lump helps. I try to minimize...prone foil instead of sup, light bar pressure kites, switch up wing grip (over/under hand), wing harness as much as possible, buy firewood versus DIY :-). But the main thing is over-use....those glorious patches of weeks straight of wind and gorging at the trough....eventually the body says "sorry no", the elbow is the leading indicator of excessiveness. Ultimately the key for me is to mix it up with different sports, don't do too much of any one thing too many days in a row.

Kalevi
28 posts
22 Oct 2021 1:37AM
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Problems with elbow here also, started already when windsurfing, no problem during winging but next day it hurts pretty much and some trouble in everyday life. Winter and snowboarding helps me also.

JonathanC
VIC, 1023 posts
22 Oct 2021 6:14AM
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20 years of intermittent tennis elbow from windsurfing, grinders etc etc the ONLY thing that has ever worked for me is Therabar. Now if I get the slightest tinge, I start using it again and it prevents the chronic buildup.



I also wear a helmet winging, light wind, heavy wind whatever.

Dspace
VIC, 320 posts
22 Oct 2021 11:17PM
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Figured I throw this one into the mix since I didn't see much reference to fingers. Middle finger contusion injury that happened around June of 2020. This is what my right hand middle finger, middle knuckle still looks like today. Always stiff but basically functional again. Off the water for about 5 weeks when it first happened and wore a splint for 4 weeks after that.

I was practicing behind-the-back-tacks ( more releases and re-grabs than conventional tacks so you need to do them quickly!) I missed a final regrab; front hand from front handle back to boom (Duotone Echo) and didn't let go of the rear hand quick enough. Wing did a super quick twist and somehow caught my middle finger as I was letting go. Finally back to practicing these same tacks this fall. I let go quickly if things aren't working!





MidAtlanticFoil
825 posts
22 Oct 2021 8:38PM
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My fingers got super achy and sore when I was using my f-one swings. Almost like early onset arthritis, where it hurt to open and close my hands. I modified the handles and it helped, then switched wings and the pain is gone.

Pasquales
204 posts
24 Oct 2021 6:44AM
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Tennis elbow is the most common nagging pain after several days of winging. I recently changed wings from a 6.4 to a 4.8. That seemed to help quite a bit.

I've noticed the feet are starting to have lots of scrapes, just from normal activities, so probably should use booties.
My shins have had their share of bumps and scrapes, mostly from hitting the rail when learning how to gibe.



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