Select to expand quoteSonsaleta said..MidAtlanticFoil said..Sonsaleta said..
Another try with the MA625 but this time with a bit more wind 15-17 knots (fuse50, ma205, shim+1). It goes quicker than the MA800. Once you get used the tacks are not so tough as the 525. You can drop a bit the speed and it still flying. on flat water the one who likes speed can use to have fun. For wave riding we need I think more 1,5 m level at least to really enjoy this wing more than the 800 because the glide is not as good as this one. So we need more push. But I can not affirm it at 100% because we have no wave at this season. For example I was not able to tack with handle pass (with the wing in my back). The time of glide is too short to do it.
Thanks for the update. What is your weight?
74kg
After experiencing how the 180 tail stabilized better than the 195, I'm wondering if I should have kept my 525 and just changed the tail... When you get into front foils this size it gets really tough to resell them if it doesn't click with you.
Just got the new Glide tail in the mail! Looking forward to giving her a go in the next few days. First impressions handling it.looks pretty much like everything I expected: 205 and the 195 had an overgrown teenager. Front to back span isn't as short as I expected, it's actually similar to the 205 in that dimension; though I already sold my 195 the spanwise profile is similar if longer, with the 205 style cambering toward trailing edge. I'll try to grab a few comparison photos in the near future.
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How's the MA1750 working for winging now that it's been out a while longer? Is it pretty fun and turny (for its size), or more of a "boring" foil?
I'm thinking of adding it to my quiver of MA1225 and 1550v2 (with 235 tail and 935 mast) to use for light wind days and small chop and waves. (at 100kg and using 99l FG board)
I bought the MA1750 for dock starting, learning DW and light wind winging. I have winged with it multiple times and I love it. Super easy to get on foil, still turns well and will go super slow (when you want it to) while riding tiny wind bumps. I've used it in strong wind as well just for the DW style wind bump riding
I wake foiled with it once just for flatwater pump testing. I was blown away by the glide; repeatedly doing second wake transfers side to side with no pumping. It pumped great but when I went for the long pump down our "no wake zone" channel I strayed too shallow and hit bottom before I could go after my distance record.
In summary I highly recommend adding this foil to your quiver. For winging you can chill out and have a sandwich in the middle of a jibe or tack the glide is so good.
edit to add I've been using the HA195 tail with this foil. Works great imo. I have the 220 glide tail on the way
After reading many good things about the HA180 I tried it again but this time with no such light winds as before and it looks like more there is speed more I like it. I prefer it clearly more than the HA195. Better pitch stability. I feel that especially that I use the 50 fuse.
Now I am between the MA205 and the HA180.I like more the 205 for this carving feeling but there is a bit less drag with the 180. I didn't try still the 625 with the 180 only with the 800. Maybe it will help me to choose definitively. Army can you maybe do a MA180?! :)
The 180 tails works well with the MA1475, improving speed and making turning easier. Sweet combo
Select to expand quoteSonsaleta said..
After reading many good things about the HA180 I tried it again but this time with no such light winds as before and it looks like more there is speed more I like it. I prefer it clearly more than the HA195. Better pitch stability. I feel that especially that I use the 50 fuse.
Now I am between the MA205 and the HA180.I like more the 205 for this carving feeling but there is a bit less drag with the 180. I didn't try still the 625 with the 180 only with the 800. Maybe it will help me to choose definitively. Army can you maybe do a MA180?! :)
ah id say the 180
has a sh1te ton less drag than the 205. not just a tad. it likes a blue or red shim to 
Select to expand quoteeppo said..Sonsaleta said..
After reading many good things about the HA180 I tried it again but this time with no such light winds as before and it looks like more there is speed more I like it. I prefer it clearly more than the HA195. Better pitch stability. I feel that especially that I use the 50 fuse.
Now I am between the MA205 and the HA180.I like more the 205 for this carving feeling but there is a bit less drag with the 180. I didn't try still the 625 with the 180 only with the 800. Maybe it will help me to choose definitively. Army can you maybe do a MA180?! :)
ah id say the 180
has a sh1te ton less drag than the 205. not just a tad. it likes a blue or red shim to
I use already +1,5 shim. I think it's also depends the conditions of wave each one has. I will for the moment use more the 180.
Tested out the glide 220 with the 1750 just now in very light 5-12mph flat water conditions with my 7M OR and 86L DW board. I'm definitely impressed with the tail! Ran a red shim with the 60 fuse and 6 in the tracks.
The glide increase for the 1750 was notable. Low end was much better than the 180. I was able to gybe and tack on minimal wind and pump back to apparent wind easily. Turning through gybes felt so smooth and automatic. Really enjoyable session given the location and conditions.
Dart and MA625 next in the queue!
Finally received Armstrong 75L FG board. 1st Armstrong board. Switching from Naish. To get started what FG track position for MA1225, 1475 and 1750? Thanks in advance.
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Finally received Armstrong 75L FG board. 1st Armstrong board. Switching from Naish. To get started what FG track position for MA1225, 1475 and 1750? Thanks in advance.
1225 - around 7 or 8 (at the back of the mast plate). Don't own the other two, but imagine similar
Armie visited Real Watersports last week and gave a tech talk. I was lucky enough to catch a prone session with him beforehand and test out some interesting/exciting protos. Here's the tech talk on the MA range. I dropped the last question haha.
Great session on MA1000 and 180 tail. I'm liking that tail more and more for what it gives back in speed which translates into more glide but still turns really well. Surf was head high and forming nice long walls that allowed for connecting peaks.
The MA1000 is proving yo be a really good daily driver. The 800 is proving to need more wind. great when surf is bigger and wind solid but easily frustrating if expecting it to pop onto foil like the 725 did.
Select to expand quoteMidAtlanticFoil said..
Armie visited Real Watersports last week and gave a tech talk. I was lucky enough to catch a prone session with him beforehand and test out some interesting/exciting protos. Here's the tech talk on the MA range. I dropped the last question haha. Select to expand quoteMidAtlanticFoil said..
Armie visited Real Watersports last week and gave a tech talk. I was lucky enough to catch a prone session with him beforehand and test out some interesting/exciting protos. Here's the tech talk on the MA range. I dropped the last question haha.
Good stuff! Thanks for sharing! Looking forward to the rumors of what's next.
Just had my first wing session with the 180 (one red shim). I paired it with the 800, 60, 795, 39L FG, and 4.6m XPS. I spent 3 hours going back to back with the 205 (also with one red shim). I kept hitting higher top speeds, with a peak of 22kts. The turning is 'smoother' with the 205 but that's to be expected given the overall shape and foil section. I was still able to carve as hard with the 180 but needed to lock in my banking angles more intentionally. I'll try again tomorrow with the 725. I'm keen to have some light wind to see how it behaves with the 925. it's been too windy here on Maui.
Maybe the new XPS has something to do with my top speeds. 
More on that to come in the other thread.
One of the biggest takeaways from the tech talk was how much toque he puts on the screws. 8nm. He said that 9 / 10 rigs that he checks on the beach are not tight enough.
Select to expand quotepaulweller2 said..
Just had my first wing session with the 180 (one red shim). I paired it with the 800, 60, 795, 39L FG, and 4.6m XPS. I spent 3 hours going back to back with the 205 (also with one red shim). I kept hitting higher top speeds, with a peak of 22kts. The turning is 'smoother' with the 205 but that's to be expected given the overall shape and foil section. I was still able to carve as hard with the 180 but needed to lock in my banking angles more intentionally. I'll try again tomorrow with the 725. I'm keen to have some light wind to see how it behaves with the 925. it's been too windy here on Maui.
Maybe the new XPS has something to do with my top speeds. More on that to come in the other thread.
the 180 will always out run the 205 slug 
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One of the biggest takeaways from the tech talk was how much toque he puts on the screws. 8nm. He said that 9 / 10 rigs that he checks on the beach are not tight enough.
also the new wings they are working on im privy to a little snippet of info there and it sounds super exciting..
yeh the bolt tighten thing . way more than i ever do.
Eppo, do you think he was referred to the upcoming apparently Pump & glide monster or do you think he was referring to an all new gen of foils (maybe Ha V2) ?
Select to expand quoteeppo said..MidAtlanticFoil said..
One of the biggest takeaways from the tech talk was how much toque he puts on the screws. 8nm. He said that 9 / 10 rigs that he checks on the beach are not tight enough.
also the new wings they are working on im privy to a little snippet of info there and it sounds super exciting..
yeh the bolt tighten thing . way more than i ever do.
Given the camber improvements to the mid aspect, I sold all my HA foils in a moment of faith that they would be applying similar design principles to their HA line. Curious if that's what's happening? Any insight?
Select to expand quoteOahuwaterwalker said..eppo said..MidAtlanticFoil said..
One of the biggest takeaways from the tech talk was how much toque he puts on the screws. 8nm. He said that 9 / 10 rigs that he checks on the beach are not tight enough.
also the new wings they are working on im privy to a little snippet of info there and it sounds super exciting..
yeh the bolt tighten thing . way more than i ever do.
Given the camber improvements to the mid aspect, I sold all my HA foils in a moment of faith that they would be applying similar design principles to their HA line. Curious if that's what's happening? Any insight?
I haven't heard any rumors regarding HA v2. I hope the don't! (At least my bank account doesn't). I also haven't asked
I tested a pump and glider while proning my DW board (Aidan talked me into switching from my prone board before paddling out). First on the 1125 for a few waves, then the pump foil for a couple. I was easily doubling my time on foil with the pumper. Super wild. Just wanted to hang in that perfect height and cadence. I pulled a u turn at the shore line going sooo slow and was able to dig my way back to the outside easy!
Select to expand quoteMidAtlanticFoil said..Oahuwaterwalker said..eppo said..MidAtlanticFoil said..
One of the biggest takeaways from the tech talk was how much toque he puts on the screws. 8nm. He said that 9 / 10 rigs that he checks on the beach are not tight enough.
also the new wings they are working on im privy to a little snippet of info there and it sounds super exciting..
yeh the bolt tighten thing . way more than i ever do.
Given the camber improvements to the mid aspect, I sold all my HA foils in a moment of faith that they would be applying similar design principles to their HA line. Curious if that's what's happening? Any insight?
I haven't heard any rumors regarding HA v2. I hope the don't! (At least my bank account doesn't). I also haven't asked
I tested a pump and glider while proning my DW board (Aidan talked me into switching from my prone board before paddling out). First on the 1125 for a few waves, then the pump foil for a couple. I was easily doubling my time on foil with the pumper. Super wild. Just wanted to hang in that perfect height and cadence. I pulled a u turn at the shore line going sooo slow and was able to dig my way back to the outside easy!
so you tested a pump and glider armie prototype you are saying??
i cannot divulge the info i know (and quite frankly it isn't a great deal to be honest - i'm not that important really bahahahba). Except from what i know armie is NOT just talking about the pump and glide wing.
If you can consider areas that armie foils fall short compared to the current market leaders (debatable but ) - then that's what he is talking about. (and for the record good luck finding any front foil that wings better than the Ma in critical conditions - damn!!).
.. and i'm afraid you wouldn't have to be a betting man to know that the latest "know how" will have to applied to a V2 Ha - as good as it is - it's plenty old now. nothing is certain but odds are - why wouldn't they? id be surprised if they didn't take the HA up an even greater notch - the fastest and glidiest wing on the market reserved for the top level mavericks. that's just speculation though. 
The new GM at armie is one switched on son of a b1tch. It's really exciting the direction they are going.
I'm ready for some faster and thinner HA v2 foils. The mast / fuse diameter will have to be reduced at some point to be competitive with sleeker kits but a thinner foil would help close the gap.
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I'm ready for some faster and thinner HA v2 foils. The mast / fuse diameter will have to be reduced at some point to be competitive with sleeker kits but a thinner foil would help close the gap.
for what purpose? obviously code foils didn't get your memo ...
Select to expand quoteeppo said..MidAtlanticFoil said..Oahuwaterwalker said..eppo said..MidAtlanticFoil said..
One of the biggest takeaways from the tech talk was how much toque he puts on the screws. 8nm. He said that 9 / 10 rigs that he checks on the beach are not tight enough.
also the new wings they are working on im privy to a little snippet of info there and it sounds super exciting..
yeh the bolt tighten thing . way more than i ever do.
Given the camber improvements to the mid aspect, I sold all my HA foils in a moment of faith that they would be applying similar design principles to their HA line. Curious if that's what's happening? Any insight?
I haven't heard any rumors regarding HA v2. I hope the don't! (At least my bank account doesn't). I also haven't asked
I tested a pump and glider while proning my DW board (Aidan talked me into switching from my prone board before paddling out). First on the 1125 for a few waves, then the pump foil for a couple. I was easily doubling my time on foil with the pumper. Super wild. Just wanted to hang in that perfect height and cadence. I pulled a u turn at the shore line going sooo slow and was able to dig my way back to the outside easy!
so you tested a pump and glider armie prototype you are saying??
i cannot divulge the info i know (and quite frankly it isn't a great deal to be honest - i'm not that important really bahahahba). Except from what i know armie is NOT just talking about the pump and glide wing.
If you can consider areas that armie foils fall short compared to the current market leaders (debatable but ) - then that's what he is talking about. (and for the record good luck finding any front foil that wings better than the Ma in critical conditions - damn!!).
.. and i'm afraid you wouldn't have to be a betting man to know that the latest "know how" will have to applied to a V2 Ha - as good as it is - it's plenty old now. nothing is certain but odds are - why wouldn't they? id be surprised if they didn't take the HA up an even greater notch - the fastest and glidiest wing on the market reserved for the top level mavericks. that's just speculation though.
The new GM at armie is one switched on son of a b1tch. It's really exciting the direction they are going.
Thanks Eppo!
We probably have a while to wait, but a more stable HA525 or slightly more turny 725 would be amazing.
I was able to attend the Armie demo here in Florida last weekend. Don't hold me to exact numbers. I wasn't taking notes. This is all memory and digesting what I heard from everyone.
The waves were crap. Mostly knee high if that with an occasional thigh high set in the morning but dying off as the day went on.
There was a motowinch set up on the beach to pull people on prone boards.
There are 2 pump foils coming out. He had the smaller set up with that was probably in the area of 1660 square cm and then there should be another one in the 1880 square cm range.
There were multiple set ups people were riding. There were some really good prone riders there that could pump a long time. There were prone setups with the 1475 and 180 , the 1750 and 180, and then the pump setup which I am calling the 1660 with the pump tail coming out too. I am pretty sure all 60 fuses. I am only sup foiler and wing foiler cuz of shoulder injuries so my prone days have been done before foiling started. I have no pump game but plan I working on it all summer. I was amazed in the small waves how maneuverable the all three of those front wings were. The guys did not have to make long drawn out turns. The turns were tight and able to cut back and switch directions at will. Then Aiden put the 140 tail on either the 1475 or 1750 and let the guys try it. They basically said it was way better than the 180. After riding the 140 none them saw a reason to get the 180.
One thing Armie specified was that changing tails was one of the easiest and cheapest ways to change a foil setup's characteristics. I believe that because I have almost all them. I added the 140 to my quiver to see how it does.
Armie had his custom DW board and him and Aiden were able to flat water pump it up with the pump foil setup in like 5 or 6 strokes. And then continue to pump it around at will for a while riding the small waves we had.
Once all the prone guys got tired later in the morning. I wanted to try the pump foil setup on my 7'7 Armie DW board. The waves had died to just about nothing by this time. Only a small swell bump going over the sandbar and then breaking on the beach. So this was only my second time on my DW board and I am not anything remotely close to being able to pump a foil. I was almost able to get up on one of these micro swells. I will definitely be grabbing one of these when they are available. Aiden also said how much forward projection the 220 has for the downwind and pumping. I am waiting to get that one when it becomes available.
Talking with Armie and Aiden was a definite treat. Both full of energy and stoke and very knowledgeable on how all their stuff works.
Here are some pics of the 140 , 195 , and 205 for comparison for anyone curious.
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thanks for sharing above. sick info.
yep... and contributing toward me getting a 140... I think the 205 is going up for sale.
Select to expand quoteOahuwaterwalker said..eppo said..
thanks for sharing above. sick info.
yep... and contributing toward me getting a 140... I think the 205 is going up for sale.
Same. 205 for sale. 180 for all foils now. 140 on order. May consider 70 fuse for speed runs. Can't break 45kmh with 800/180.
