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firiebob
firiebob
WA
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18 Oct 2008 7:41pm
Go Carbon Art, don't root around

I've had my SL58 for a week now and have 3 new PB's on the GPSTC site, and I've been there since it began. I was worried about going for a slalom board because I sail in absolute crap (rough) conditions but this board just eats it, feels like my old freeride for control only faster. I'm 82 to 84 Kg (rum) and this board at 96L planes up easy, my biggest sail is 6.6M.

For less than $2100 to your door for a near on a custom board, not made in Thailand by a cookie biscuit cutter, where you can talk to the business owner and change things, made in our back yard and all for less money, it's really a no brainer for me.

Don't get me wrong, I don't get the chance to try diff boards where I live, and I don't give a rats if brand A or B is better at this or that, I've now got a bloody sweet board for a bargain price
Ian K
Ian K
WA
4169 posts
WA, 4169 posts
18 Oct 2008 7:50pm
Waiting4wind said...
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Just had a look at the CA web site, these boards a well priced and 12 colour graphics to choose from.
Do you get slugged with import duty & how much


The CA website might be out of date, there were no extra charges for my CA SP50 above that of board and freight as listed on the website - $1780 a bit over a yr ago. But I was happy with white - some go for hot pink. Are you going to Gerroa anytime soon? You can try it out. Mid week's OK. I've also arranged special employment conditions.

It's not a bad all-rounder for something sold as a speed board. I've yet to figure out how to get it to top speed, but it's a proven performer. It's handy in choppy non speedy conditions. Be fine in a good Botany Bay Noreaster. It feels a little bit stiff and directional negotiating larger stuff, but I've had it out in the Broulee swell a few times where it's mostly great. (That's where I had one big off, not quite sure what to blame it on). Jumps nicely. For some reason it feels a lot bigger than 83 litres if the wind drops.









Waiting4wind
Waiting4wind
NSW
1871 posts
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18 Oct 2008 11:27pm
Ian K said...

Waiting4wind said...
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Just had a look at the CA web site, these boards a well priced and 12 colour graphics to choose from.
Do you get slugged with import duty & how much


The CA website might be out of date, there were no extra charges for my CA SP50 above that of board and freight as listed on the website - $1780 a bit over a yr ago. But I was happy with white - some go for hot pink. Are you going to Gerroa anytime soon? You can try it out. Mid week's OK. I've also arranged special employment conditions.

It's not a bad all-rounder for something sold as a speed board. I've yet to figure out how to get it to top speed, but it's a proven performer. It's handy in choppy non speedy conditions. Be fine in a good Botany Bay Noreaster. It feels a little bit stiff and directional negotiating larger stuff, but I've had it out in the Broulee swell a few times where it's mostly great. (That's where I had one big off, not quite sure what to blame it on). Jumps nicely. For some reason it feels a lot bigger than 83 litres if the wind drops.


I will be heading down to Gerroa as soon as the NE'ers become a bit more consistent. I may also stop in for a couple of days on the way to Merimbula for the Mambo.

Is that the board you just used at Sandy Pt, unfortunately I missed it this year.

Have you given up on Botany Bay?

I might have to look into the CA price, sounds like good value. I was watching Phil McGain put the CA Slalom through it'spaces in Maui last year. He was blasting through stuff that made me nervous even on my waveboard.
Ian K
Ian K
WA
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18 Oct 2008 8:47pm
Yes sailed it at Sandy Point this year. Didn't top my last yrs speeds though. I found the wind angle tricky, didn't get comfortable.

I miss sailing at BB, it's one of the best, it's the only place where the Noreaster goes right until sundown - must be the concrete. Lost my weekend accommodation arrangements up Sydney way.

I noticed you got 17 knots today- only got 13 at Broulee - so I'm off driving for a day or three. But I do get to places between Gerroa and Merimbula so keep us posted when you venture south.
Waiting4wind
Waiting4wind
NSW
1871 posts
NSW, 1871 posts
20 Oct 2008 8:01pm
I got to give the AB+ 67 (110L) a run this afternoon with my 7.8m RSS. SE 12-18knots, in Botany Bay with the typical southerly chop and swell.
It was easy to get planing having quite powerful rails.
My sail had a sensation of being little backhanded, a problem I don't normally have with the setting I used. I felt the same thing with the smaller AB the other day. I moved the harness lines back about 3cm and all was sweet. I realised that this board encouraged a slightly different stance to my gear, driven a little more of the back foot.
Like the smaller board it sailed freely over the chop and swell without any drama and gave plenty of confidence to push it harder. The gybing was great once initiated it almost steered itself around. I loved the Dakine foot straps soft and comfy but firm at the same time.
The 36cm deb fin showed no sign of letting go, it was plenty big enough for the set up (I'm used to using a 42cm).
The big surprise was my GPS reading, the board kept delivering 27-28 knt runs without much effort in roughish water, which I thought was great for the conditions. Again like the smaller board I felt that this board is capable of great GPS results.
The only challenge I had was my geriatric knees, one of which was recently refurbished. The powerful rails combined with stiff construction and the big chop I was negotiating meant my dodgy knees were feeling it. The board is very good over chop but very direct, probably a bit more dialling in would have it skimming over all obstacles.
Overall I was impressed, and the whole package with good fin and excellent board bag that it comes with makes it great value.

pxlwz
pxlwz
WA
6 posts
WA, 6 posts
22 Oct 2008 8:30am
I just got the Exocet Warp SL71 (118L), sailed it about 7 hrs, and love it!!! Fins used (Select) RS 43, RS7 41, SL39, SL37. Sails TR3 8.4 and TR4 6.6.

Did not have too much time with the 8.4 (only light winds), but quite a bit of time with the 6.6.
I would think, 8.4 to 7.6 would be the perfect size.

I had the Warp Slalom 73 (125L) before,

and had a very limited range: It needed a powerful fin (43 cm for the 6.6) to avoid spinouts.

The SL71 is super easy: No spinouts whatsoever, eats chop for breakfast,planes quick, jibes like a dream, and the rails just never catch. For me: A dream come true!!!
Me: 5'8' ~160lbs ( ~172cm, 72kg), Sailing mostly @ Rio Vista (River) in California.

Markus
shear tip
shear tip
NSW
1125 posts
NSW, 1125 posts
22 Oct 2008 11:38am
... and is a damned sexy board too!

I wonder how hot it gets sitting on the beach?
Waiting4wind
Waiting4wind
NSW
1871 posts
NSW, 1871 posts
22 Oct 2008 12:41pm
shear tip said...

... and is a damned sexy board too!

I wonder how hot it gets sitting on the beach?


That is a sexy looking board. I have 2 Exocets in my fleet and the TB62 is my all time slalom favourite. The bottom finish on the Black Machine is red like my TB, so the best bet is to park it on it's back so it should be OK, otherwise it will be a very hot ride (on the feet) until the board gets wet.
pxlwz
pxlwz
WA
6 posts
WA, 6 posts
23 Oct 2008 12:13am
Yup, the bottom is red. Exocet claims, it does not get much warmer, than any other color.
Having said that, I would not leave a white board in 40º sun, without opening the valve...
The looks are not important to me, the way it sails is.

I too own the TB2 62 (90L), and love it. I also have a WS58 and WS 73, and feel, the WS series has the footstraps too far out, the fin too far back, and beveled or diamond shape tales, that are much easier to spinout.
After sailing the SL71, I am seriously considering replacing the TB2 62 with the SL61 (sails a little higher, less volume in the front).

Markus







mr love
mr love
VIC
2421 posts
VIC, 2421 posts
23 Oct 2008 1:00pm
If it ever gets built this will be the "ants pants". Ha! It,s still a work in progress . 235X68X105litres. All I need now are some fun tickets.



Waiting4wind
Waiting4wind
NSW
1871 posts
NSW, 1871 posts
23 Oct 2008 1:49pm
mr love said...

If it ever gets built this will be the "ants pants". Ha! It,s still a work in progress . 235X68X105litres. All I need now are some fun tickets.




Looks interesting, seems to have quite a bit of nose rocker for a slalom board. So give us the run down on the design features
mr love
mr love
VIC
2421 posts
VIC, 2421 posts
23 Oct 2008 3:10pm
It actually has fairly low nose rocker at 174mm, thats why it has a wide nose.Rocker is dead flat from 300-600, has 1.5 mm tail rocker, 6 mm at 1200, 50mm at 1800. Very wide at 600 for lots of lift ( early planing)but uses an aggressive winger just in front of the rear foot to reduce tail area . Also the tail cuts. A reasonable eamount of v right through and concave in the nose and under the mast track for a smooth ride in rough water, running out by around 600 from the tail for good top end speed.
Idea is an early planer for the volume. Fast in a straight line and enough V and concave to handle choppy water well. Should go upwind well and also sail deep off the wind. I have designed it to win the Breakwater to Beacon race which is generally held in 15 knots odd and is a tight upwind angle out to the Beacon and deep off coming back. At this stage I am all set to win the race in 2015 when it gets built!!!
Should carry an 8 -8.5 which is pretty good for a 105 litre board.

So if you would like to donate 2 grand to my project I will get it built and you can try it before 2015!!

Seeya Martin
Rider5
Rider5
WA
567 posts
WA, 567 posts
23 Oct 2008 3:30pm
pxlwz said...

Yup, the bottom is red. Exocet claims, it does not get much warmer, than any other color.
Having said that, I would not leave a white board in 40º sun, without opening the valve...


I have done a repair on a board that was white with black jump pads, the guy opened the vent and put it in the sun for 2 days to dry out on 40 degree days.
When I opened the board up, all of the foam under the pads had melted to a depth of 20mm ! Nil damage under the white paint.
Waiting4wind
Waiting4wind
NSW
1871 posts
NSW, 1871 posts
23 Oct 2008 7:15pm
mr love said...

It actually has fairly low nose rocker at 174mm, thats why it has a wide nose.Rocker is dead flat from 300-600, has 1.5 mm tail rocker, 6 mm at 1200, 50mm at 1800. Very wide at 600 for lots of lift ( early planing)but uses an aggressive winger just in front of the rear foot to reduce tail area . Also the tail cuts. A reasonable eamount of v right through and concave in the nose and under the mast track for a smooth ride in rough water, running out by around 600 from the tail for good top end speed.
Idea is an early planer for the volume. Fast in a straight line and enough V and concave to handle choppy water well. Should go upwind well and also sail deep off the wind. I have designed it to win the Breakwater to Beacon race which is generally held in 15 knots odd and is a tight upwind angle out to the Beacon and deep off coming back. At this stage I am all set to win the race in 2015 when it gets built!!!
Should carry an 8 -8.5 which is pretty good for a 105 litre board.

So if you would like to donate 2 grand to my project I will get it built and you can try it before 2015!!

Seeya Martin



OK so I'll give you $2k you deliver board in 2009 and I'll return it for your 2015 race.
keef
keef
NSW
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23 Oct 2008 7:20pm
mr love said...

It actually has fairly low nose rocker at 174mm, thats why it has a wide nose.Rocker is dead flat from 300-600, has 1.5 mm tail rocker, 6 mm at 1200, 50mm at 1800. Very wide at 600 for lots of lift ( early planing)but uses an aggressive winger just in front of the rear foot to reduce tail area . Also the tail cuts.

great job on the design martinare the measurements your's or from the cad program e,g length, width, rocker,cutouts ect, i was wondering if 6 mm at 1200 to 600 is a bit much, and do you need the tail rocker of 1.5mm + cutouts for a board you want to plane early and reach max speed in 15knts,
wats the name of the program you used, and can i download it from the net



mr love
mr love
VIC
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23 Oct 2008 8:21pm
Mr Waiting for Wind. A deal as long as it's mine for weekends!!!!

Keef , Yep maybe a touch high at 1200. I was figuring as it,s so wide at 700 through to 430 where the wingers are that I could get away with a shorter planing surface like a Formula board. Higher aspect. I may have gone a touch too much , might pull it back a bit . As I said a work in progress.
Figures are mine but I have measured alot of boards so have a good data base to work from.
Anyway I have hijacked this thread enough.

I would be keen to know if anybody has some fedback on the 09 Isonics?
Seeya Martin
mr love
mr love
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23 Oct 2008 8:26pm
Oh yeh , sorry Keef . The program is Alias and you can download it if you part with 12 grand US first. The boss owns it !!!!!!. Plenty of much cheaper software around that will do this , Rhino is good at around $900 US.

Seeya Martin
Waiting4wind
Waiting4wind
NSW
1871 posts
NSW, 1871 posts
23 Oct 2008 8:55pm
mr love said...

Mr Waiting for Wind. A deal as long as it's mine for weekends!!!!

I would be keen to know if anybody has some fedback on the 09 Isonics?
Seeya Martin


Hopefully, will be testing an 09 Isonic 111 this weekend, will let you know how it goes.
Haggar
Haggar
QLD
1670 posts
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23 Oct 2008 9:01pm
Waiting4wind said...

mr love said...

Mr Waiting for Wind. A deal as long as it's mine for weekends!!!!

I would be keen to know if anybody has some fedback on the 09 Isonics?
Seeya Martin


Hopefully, will be testing an 09 Isonic 111 this weekend, will let you know how it goes.


Keen to hear how this goes, this is the size I am interested in
shear tip
shear tip
NSW
1125 posts
NSW, 1125 posts
23 Oct 2008 10:21pm
mr love said...

Oh yeh , sorry Keef . The program is Alias and you can download it if you part with 12 grand US first. The boss owns it !!!!!!. Plenty of much cheaper software around that will do this , Rhino is good at around $900 US.

Seeya Martin


Hey Martin,

My app (autodesk Maya) can read Alias .wire files. If you want, I can calculate the exact volume for you.
mr love
mr love
VIC
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23 Oct 2008 10:36pm
Thanks Sheer Tip but I have that sorted . 105.8 litres. Because of the width and volume placement it will feel bigger though. Seeya Martin
keef
keef
NSW
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23 Oct 2008 11:07pm
wow at 235x68x105.8 how thin could those rails be

i would have thought with those measurements it would look thinner, but its a nice looking slalom
Waiting4wind
Waiting4wind
NSW
1871 posts
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23 Oct 2008 11:14pm


Hey Martin,

My app (autodesk Maya) can read Alias .wire files. If you want, I can calculate the exact volume for you.


Maybe you need to give this program to Starboard, they seem to have a lot of trouble calculating volumes! [}:)]
mr love
mr love
VIC
2421 posts
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30 Oct 2008 1:47pm
It,s going to live!!! I paid a deposit with the board builder today , 50th birthday present. Should be cool.
Now who wants to buy my Glider 105 ! Ha!
choco
choco
SA
4181 posts
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30 Oct 2008 7:22pm
mr love said...

It,s going to live!!! I paid a deposit with the board builder today , 50th birthday present. Should be cool.
Now who wants to buy my Glider 105 ! Ha!


who builds your boards?

mr love
mr love
VIC
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30 Oct 2008 8:30pm
Peter Ross from OES will build this one. Mark Stone just built a B&J 85 litre for me and did a beautiful job, it,s really nice but I thought his specific construction may not be as suited to this bigger Slalom board , I think it needs to be an EPS core,carbon sandwitch for absolute minimum weight and stiffness.
keef
keef
NSW
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31 Oct 2008 1:12pm
mr love said...

I think it needs to be an EPS core,carbon sandwitch for absolute minimum weight and stiffness.
have you thought about the density of the core, iv'e been useing 12kgsxmtr its one of the lightest, i didnt have a problem i just used extra 5mm of divinicell under the footstraps and mast base
"EDIT" i just had a look at the OES site and they have got a link to this post, so are they promoting custom made boards and are they makeing it in maui? and how much does it cost to get the board to your door after they have made templets for a one off design, or are you planning on mass prodceing them

mr love
mr love
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31 Oct 2008 2:33pm
Keef , Peter will be back in OZ tommorrow and will build the board here, so freight will only be from Port Lincoln.
Regarding price you really need to email Peter about a custom but it is competitive with a mass produced board from Thailand.
keef
keef
NSW
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31 Oct 2008 2:51pm
thanks for the tip martin but i have enough foam and carbon to do about 3 boards thats if i need to im happy with what ive got
Little Jon
Little Jon
NSW
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1 Nov 2008 11:52pm
Waiting4wind said...

Keef, whereabouts is your way? I have the 'you ding you buy policy' as well, I like to have my gear in top condition. Fortunately I haven't bought a board under these circumstances yet.



I have an 2007 CA55 and an 2007 122 isonic you can try if you're ever up on the central coast.

You can also get custom graphics on the CA.


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