I agree drop 2 sec and put in 500m instead.

I don't think width divisions should be added as here for example most speedsters have the full range apart from sub 50 speed boards.

I believe the comp needs to be opened up to a greater spectrum of sailors, currently the teams have settled into place and I don't see them changing next year or the year after (apart from a few guns leaving etc). Maybe a handicap system based on this years results, provided there are minimal team changes.

Otherwise teams could nominate as freeride or speed so there is competition further down the field.

And yes definately keep a display of sponsors on the homepage.

OK I'm hearing people want a 500m category, I'll discuss with nebbs and see what we can do. I like the 2 sec category and would be reluctant to get rid of it, but certainly adding a 500m is an option.

We are working on how to improve the site, and give a greater number of people an oppurtunity to monitor and compare their progress.

Keep the ideas coming!!!!!!

I like the 2 sec category

Yeah I guess it's a bit much to expect every body to go to a navi and use doppler, but that could be a way to reduce the error

Backing decrepit with the retention of the 2 sec. Only issue adding a 500, some of us get stuck with choppy open ocean runs, and a 500 will be a awkward division to run with in such conditions.

So for mine, keep the 2 second burst.


Hay Vando,ask micky100, which ever one is the fastest, use that one

[quoteHay Vando,ask micky100, which ever one is the fastest, use that one

Funny u say that some of the top sailers just do that.
Although it is against gps-speedsurfing rules.

You could still have the 2sec for braging rights but dont count it towards the points system.

You can get a fair idea if you 2 sec is way off, for starters with the Garmin it should not be much more then the displayed max(at least very close). If there was any contention the tracks can always be checked. Unless the Garmin and Navi have wildly different displayed maxs. Have the 500 metre as well, but for me having the 2 sec gives me a bit of encouragement.

Just looked at some old data and added 4 second peak in realspeed and it knocked my 2 sec down by 1.8 knots. Thats using a 201 foretrex

Im with vando, i dont go speed sailing to get a fast 2 sec peak , for me speedsailing is all about going the distance as fast as you can and keeping consistant speed , i reakon a 100m division would be good because its close to a 2 sec peak speed
And this pushes all the speedsailors to keep a consistant speed up through the whole run instead of catching a gust for a couple of sec to get a high 2 sec peak.

I WILL NEVER LIVE THIS DOWN WILL I ELMO

Thanks for all the input, keep the ideas coming.

The individual overall rankings is certainly a popular choice, I've been speaking to people all up the WA coast and lots of people want to see how they compare overall with their mates.

Technically there's no problem with having a 500 metre division, and if it's relevant to the world record then that's a pretty good reason to me. The problem I have with adding another division is purely from a layout point of view: 6 tables wrap nicely across a page, whereas 7 is a pain in the proverbial. I also want to keep the task of putting in data as simple as possible -- the last thing a computer numpty needs is to be confronted by masses of boxes to fill in. Maybe we could replace the nautical mile with a 500 metre division? As always, I'm open to ideas on this, the more that people tell me what you want, the better the competition becomes

A "Movers and Shakers" page is a great idea, or maybe a box on the front page that puts a person's name up in lights if they hit a PB.

Another idea I've been toying with is with regard to verifying speeds. If someone hits a PB, the site might request the person to upload their track, and it would then be available for a week for anyone to download and check. Then anyone can call "Cheat" on that track if they think the numbers are out, and an official timekeeper can have a look at it. What do you think?

I'm amazed at the level of participation in the challenge, I didn't realise just how big it would get when I banged out the first set of pages earlier this year. Now that it's taken on some momentum, expect some changes for next year

nebbian said...

<<<<< Maybe we could replace the nautical mile with a 500 metre division? As always, I'm open to ideas on this,
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Hi nebs, hope you're enjoying the flies at Gero!
I was thinking of this possibility myself, I think originally it was introduced to help neutralise the sandy point advantage, but it also disadvantages some other places as well.
If you think this is the best option maybe we should have a vote on swapping the NM for 500m.

Another idea I've been toying with is with regard to verifying speeds. If someone hits a PB, the site might request the person to upload their track, and it would then be available for a week for anyone to download and check. Then anyone can call "Cheat" on that track if they think the numbers are out, and an official timekeeper can have a look at it. What do you think?

not a bad idea, but it's been pointed out in the thread "what qualifies as a spike" that there are false peaks that are very hard/impossible to verify unless there's also doppler data in the file.

I'm amazed at the level of participation in the challenge, I didn't realise just how big it would get when I banged out the first set of pages earlier this year. Now that it's taken on some momentum, expect some changes for next year

Don't think many of us did nebs, certainly when hardy firast mentioned the idea to me, I just thought, "ho hum" (being a bigoted wave sailor at the time), now I'm completely hooked

maybe we should try a few 500s and see how we go, if you do a good nm you should also do a good 500

Nebs

For page uniformity, provided my logic is correct and that your page is set up for 3 tables wide, you could include the other Alpha divisions.

This is better for the "I can go around corners" crew (talented smartybums) and spreading a bit more of expertise.

Don't think it would nobble Slowy though.

If the 2sec has to go, I'll vote for Vando's suggestion of the 100M (best compromise and more accurate I guess), then maybe we can keep the Nm.

For me a Nm is a lot harder than a 500M, because of water conditions and very gusty winds here, but I like it.

Was just thinking , I have had some wild differences between my 2sec and 5x10, and when I sort it, it's been the 2sec that's wrong. So yeh you got me, flick the 2sec and go for Vando's suggestion.

I'd rather be sailing than banging a keyboard with 2 fingers