Realspeed automatically splits the file, by date.... you would need to select the "combined" file to get the full stats.

I think everyone still has a week to post for it to count, but looks like it's only Kato who we are waiting on!! Perhaps he is still sailing!!

You sure those Pit Boys are not pulling your leg Izaak?? [}:)]

Nah. They wouldn't do that, would they.

553.5 km

... and he was never heard of again!

AUS02 said...

... and he was never heard of again!

Who said that?

Hey Yoyo,

It's a tricky one allright. The most defensive is to say "Midnight local time", whatever that happens to be, whether daylight savings are applied or not.

Ie if you were to ring the talking clock in that area, the cutoff is when it says "Twelve am precisely".

This is because the session is all keyed by date, and the date changes over at midnight local time.


It sucks having to split Kato's file in half though, I wish there were some way of showing just how far he went in one 24 hour period... maybe that's what GPS-SS is for.

nearly all colored in

my vote

it was one session, count it as that

sorry a great effort, but rules are rules.It could stuff up the outcome of this month or any another month it may occur again. if he sailed past twelve PM there should be one for yesterday and session for today.

You're right, sick_em, the sheer audacity of this effort is astounding. I have immense respect for anyone who can go more than 200 k's in a day, and to more than double that is just... plain... superhuman.

There's no doubt in my mind that Kato did that distance, and there's also no doubt that it is an incredible achievement.


However this track has thrown up an interesting conundrum, in that no-one to my knowledge has ever sailed past midnight and kept going ... So we have two options:

Option 1) Allow people to pick and choose which 24 hour period they want to sail in. My problem with this is that someone could easily sail 100 km from midday till sunset, then have a nice meal, a sleep, wake up early the next morning and sail another 100 k's, for a total of 200 km in one 24 hour period. This isn't nearly as muscle-wrenching as a solid 200km in one session, and I really don't want to encourage this sort of manipulation. Apart from anything else, do you say that the session happened on the date that you started, or the date that you finished?

Option 2) Set the cutoff at midnight local time. This has the benefit of being clear, concise, there's no argument about which day you choose to take it as, and most GPS programs are set up to split files by date anyway.

I think we have to choose option 2) here, just from a parity / rulekeeping / keep it simple viewpoint.


It's worth remembering that although the GPS Team Challenge works well as a log of your sessions, it is first and foremost a competition, and we only have 6 categories to record performance in.

This has worked well for most things, however every now and again someone throws us a curve ball which shows that our system isn't perfect.

I would dearly love to record this amazing effort somehow, please remember that splitting the file by midnight doesn't mean that Kato hasn't done that distance, it just means that we don't have a way to record it!

If GPS-SS allows posting of any 24 hour period, then I would recommend posting the track on there, and making a link on your GTC session to the GPS-SS page.


On a personal note Kato, you are un... be... lievable!!!! I can't express just how amazing that effort is.

Well if someone had previously set a notable distance but stopped at midnight because that's how they'd interpreted the rules then reclarifying them now would be an issue. But I doubt anybody has? And all existing distances are still going to be valid, or increased, if it's 24 hrs start any time.

I think 24 hrs makes sense. There's plenty of other 24 hr events, Le Mans, the bike race in Canberra. None of them start at midnight. Why would you? Sail the afternoon, have a break and sail the morning. What's wrong with that? Kato's distance will still take some beating.

What an effort, it can't be pruned!

This problem has come up before... and the standing was "its close enough - we arn't playing for sheep stations".

When did it occur? Apparently you dont have to worry about the time of day if you happen to be sailing in Karpathos, etc. relative to your team.

Note that the "localtime" rule as specified, wont work as where is localtime? Local to the team? Local to the individual?

elmo said...

my vote

it was one session, count it as that

Not wanting to diminish Kato's feat, but well no technically it really wasn't one session as Kato had a sleep (albeit short)and got up to finish his 24 hour window. Reading the initial posts from GPSTC I believe his primary aim was to break the GPSSS 24 hour record (which no doubt he has) and that Neb's stance on splitting the file correctly falls into the current rules of the GPSTC.

If it aint broke don't fix it.

Option 2 isn't actually an option - it's the existing rule.

Just as a comparison
Dave Morehead - On the water at 5:20am and off the water at 7:45pm with two short stops. Total 511km in 14hours and 25mins
Craig Hollins - On the water at 7.15 am and finised at 7.30 the next day. The best 24 hr window in GPS-Results produced 540.9 km's. Reading GPSTC log, approx 490kms were achieved between 7.15am and 11.30pm. Total 490kms in 16hrs & 15mins

Both phenominal efforts of endurance (and slight craziness to boot)