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Trousers
Trousers
SA
565 posts
SA, 565 posts
29 Nov 2010 2:10pm
sunday was blowing pretty crazy down my local. i'd misjudged the forecast and left my smaller board at home. riding over serious chop on my 120lt very powered up on a 5.8 i did one of the most violent catapults in memory.

i'm not quite sure how it happened, but i was really cranking just off the wind when suddenly the mast was scything down just to windward of the nose. i was pulled from the straps and swung by the harness lines in a screaming arc. i hit hard facing backwards, like dropping onto floorboards on my back from a story high...the impact winded me pretty seriously and rattled my noggin. i was glad to be wearing a boyancy vest which must have soaked up a bit of the strike.

coming up my board and sail looked fine but the boom was now bent upwards inbetween the harness lines. reluctant to get in the harness lines on the ride back to shore in case it completely broke and damaged my fave sail, so i rode home on arms alone.

that sapped any energy i had left so practically crawling onto shore and sucking air hard for twenty-minutes i began to ponder whether i should take another look at a helmets...after i buy a new boom of course...
gh
gh
NSW
156 posts
gh gh
NSW, 156 posts
29 Nov 2010 6:00pm
Must admit I've been thinking about a helmet for this season. What are people using and where are they available in Sydney?


sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8335 posts
NSW, 8335 posts
29 Nov 2010 6:21pm
Trousers said...

sunday was blowing pretty crazy down my local. i'd misjudged the forecast and left my smaller board at home. riding over serious chop on my 120lt very powered up on a 5.8 i did one of the most violent catapults in memory.

i'm not quite sure how it happened, but i was really cranking just off the wind when suddenly the mast was scything down just to windward of the nose. i was pulled from the straps and swung by the harness lines in a screaming arc. i hit hard facing backwards, like dropping onto floorboards on my back from a story high...the impact winded me pretty seriously and rattled my noggin. i was glad to be wearing a boyancy vest which must have soaked up a bit of the strike.

coming up my board and sail looked fine but the boom was now bent upwards inbetween the harness lines. reluctant to get in the harness lines on the ride back to shore in case it completely broke and damaged my fave sail, so i rode home on arms alone.

that sapped any energy i had left so practically crawling onto shore and sucking air hard for twenty-minutes i began to ponder whether i should take another look at a helmets...after i buy a new boom of course...


Pretty hard on the body this sport..
jh2703
jh2703
NSW
1225 posts
NSW, 1225 posts
29 Nov 2010 7:02pm
Had the same thoughts this week, sailed 2 days on a 4.7 and was still over powered at times. The stupid thing is I own a helmet but it has never seen the light of day, the only time I think about the fact that it should be on my head is when I head of the wind and an doing 28 knots on a 95l board that's getting bounced around by the chop and I'm about to die.

Anyways I lived, maybe next time I'll put the helmet on?

Just to make you feel better I've done the same thing but broken the boom in half, couldn't sail back and had to swim.

Cheers jase.
DrJ
DrJ
ACT
481 posts
DrJ DrJ
ACT, 481 posts
29 Nov 2010 7:17pm
Must be something in the water, I am considering it for the windier days. I guess my motivation is witnessing a friend crack a helmet on the mast during a catapult.... Can't help thinking about what the crack in his head might have looked like if he had not been wearing one!
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5124 posts
VIC, 5124 posts
29 Nov 2010 7:29pm
Getting catapulted is not that unusual.

Wearing a helmet will make the whiplash from the catapult much worse. Adding an extra 700+/- grams onto your head hugely increases the momentum and the sudden stop. Especially if it gets "bucketed".

Helmets are great for impacts with boards and masts and other hard stuff.

Good luck with your search. I found Gath surf hats ok as a hard hat. They're basically just a lunch box for your head. The proper helmets (Pro-tech etc) were all too big, too heavy, too much crap to come apart on them. The adjustable head band just explodes in a big impact leaving you with a bucket that tries to strangle you and pull your head off at the same time.
Glitch
Glitch
QLD
292 posts
QLD, 292 posts
29 Nov 2010 6:29pm
I had a good catapult as well. I thought the water was deep enough to get a 16 cm fin over. I was wrong. Its OK though as my head took most of the impact on the sand bar. Could be time to invest in a helmet.
Kimba
Kimba
SA
459 posts
SA, 459 posts
29 Nov 2010 8:56pm
Gath Jedi!

I have had mine for 4 years now and wear it every session. Like a seatbelt, you feel strange without it on.

I can't understand why anyone wouldn't wear a helmet...even a minor head injury can screw up your entire life.

http://www.gathsports.com/productsingle.php?id=109
terminal
terminal
1421 posts
1421 posts
29 Nov 2010 6:51pm
they used to make foam helmets like this one under the Gradz or Aruba names, which were lighter.

www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=109927192364997

I have the Gath Surf, which I'd recommend.

Roger303
Roger303
NSW
163 posts
NSW, 163 posts
29 Nov 2010 11:55pm
I wear a lid and swear by it. Snow skiing too. also keeps the sun off the ears and forehead, bonus. My helmet saved me (again) on Saturday in 30knts at Botany. Shame they don't save ribs though (ouch, 3 months of pain, again).

Just started formula and no-one wears them.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12873 posts
WA, 12873 posts
29 Nov 2010 10:00pm
I think small is more important than light. The bigger the helmet, the more water resistance on impact so the more strain on the neck. I think extra whiplash due to weight only occurs if the body stops but the head keeps going. I think it's more likely in a catapult, the head hits first and stops, and the body keeps going.
So yes gaths are the smallest I've seen, so that's what I wear, they're not that heavy either.
theWaterBoy
theWaterBoy
WA
225 posts
WA, 225 posts
29 Nov 2010 11:43pm
Just my 2 bobs worth - Gath recommend the Gedi for windsurfing.

I recommend the surf convertible instead as the above boys have said - because it’s lighter.

I also recommend removing the ear pads. Your ears are really important in detecting the wind direction and changes, and to cover them up removes one of your highly tunes senses.

This is also the reason not to get the Gath surf as the ears are not removable.

Trousers
Trousers
SA
565 posts
SA, 565 posts
30 Nov 2010 9:42am
i've tried on helmets in the shop before, and it just doesn't feel right to me (a bit like booties). but i think i need to persevere now. after windsurfing for over a decade i rarely catapult these days, usually I 'feel' it going before the crisis point and can get out of it.

but sunday's 'pult happened so blindingly fast, and at such speed i had no chance. factor of trying to hold down the power on a too-big sail with a too-big board over angry chop. i was trying a smaller fin and found it kept losing grip on the down wind runs over the back of chop. to compensate i was keeping my weight forward and off the fin which is counter to what i'd usually do heading down wind.

now looking back on it i think that the fin spun-out, i caught a rail, and with my weight already teetering forward, there was only one outcome.

so now i'll look into gath, a lot of sailors i know rate them.



Obelix
Obelix
WA
1172 posts
WA, 1172 posts
30 Nov 2010 7:46am
I spent all mu Christmas wishes, but my birthday is soon after
One of the Gath helmets is on the list for sure, but...which one?

I would like my eyes shaded, and my face protected from the sun.
So a beak or a visor is a must.

If the guys using them could tell their experience?

The beak may not protect from the sun too well.
The visors scratch. Do they get foggy?
Would they obscure the visibility? Are they polarised?
Full face or small visor?
WaynoB
WaynoB
NSW
393 posts
NSW, 393 posts
30 Nov 2010 12:00pm
I have a black Gath with a tinted visor. Used it for over 10 years. Got it as a safety item and can say it does work (speaking from experience).

Use it all the time in the surf but only when in overpowered conditions on flat water. The helmet has saved my head from injury a number of times in the surf. A knock to the head by a mast or a boom without a helmet would have resulted in a cut or maybe being dazed. Not good when in the surf.

Yes your hearing is affected, so be aware of that. Takes a bit of getting used to. May be a problem for some. BUT Helmet safety outweighs hearing loss IMO.

The movable visor is useful as it stops a lot of the sun and can be pulled down to act as a shade for your eyes. Find is quite helpful when sailing in the afternoon and looking into a setting sun. It does not fog up.

Nothing bad to say about the Gath Helmet. I think the visor model is better for sailors and the non-visor version for surfers. Worth every $
busterwa
busterwa
3782 posts
3782 posts
30 Nov 2010 9:09am
hahahahahah welcome to windsurfing!
terminal
terminal
1421 posts
1421 posts
30 Nov 2010 7:24pm
You can get a Gath surf convertable which has removable ear protectors (I have one) and you can also get shades with it.

http://www.cleanlinesurf.com/gath-surf-convertible.html#large

sharkbiscuit
sharkbiscuit
820 posts
820 posts
30 Nov 2010 9:26pm
wbailey said...

Yes your hearing is affected, so be aware of that.



NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
1 Dec 2010 12:09am
I think helmets would be improved if they had heaps of perforations to let the water through, like some impact vests. Let the air through too to keep you cool.

As for violent catapults, its been said before - look back, sheet in and hold on. You just fly around in a circle and avoid all those nasty impacts, or at least scythe into the water more or less gracefully (mostly less). You have to practice it though so it happens automatically. Its fun. :)
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8335 posts
NSW, 8335 posts
1 Dec 2010 9:03am
I have a Gath helmet I wear mainly in winter for warmth.It can get quite noisy when its blowing 30kts ..but mine is 90's era..?
I thought if you held onto the boom as you catapult you cant hit the mast? I get violent whiplash with a good pult which isnt good for the already crappy neck.Ive had the mast come down hard on my shoulder just next to the neck but never near my head yet although generally I am pretty conservative and dont do any radical moves.
I wear prescription sunnies and I cant wear the helmet over them as they have straight arms that get wedged painfully into my head with the helmet on..bit of a worry not being able to wear it when things are going off.They are good helmets .I bet the new ones are even better!
gh
gh
NSW
156 posts
gh gh
NSW, 156 posts
1 Dec 2010 11:09am
How do the Protec helmets stack up against gath? Are their weights similar?


DavMen
DavMen
NSW
1510 posts
NSW, 1510 posts
1 Dec 2010 3:36pm
WHAT?.....

sharkbiscuit said...

wbailey said...

Yes your hearing is affected, so be aware of that.






sausage
sausage
QLD
4874 posts
QLD, 4874 posts
1 Dec 2010 3:11pm
NotWal said...

I think helmets would be improved if they had heaps of perforations to let the water through, like some impact vests. Let the air through too to keep you cool.

As for violent catapults, its been said before - look back, sheet in and hold on. You just fly around in a circle and avoid all those nasty impacts, or at least scythe into the water more or less gracefully (mostly less). You have to practice it though so it happens automatically. Its fun. :)


Notwal,
Totally agree - my Gath gets way too hot to wear up here in the tropics and if sailing for over an hour the helmet seems to exert pressure on one point of my skull that becomes unbearable. Unless you're falling in every 5 minutes it's hard to dissipate the heat build-up. Don't wear it much anymore unless conditions are really ballistic although have a gopro on order so maybe I'll wear it more often.
Big Al
Big Al
WA
265 posts
WA, 265 posts
1 Dec 2010 1:34pm
Not sure a helmet will help in your situation there Trousers. Seeing as you overcooked your sail size, did not bring the correct board and misread the conditions then got smashed for it I would say you have already been subjected to countless head shots.

AB.....
vosadrian
vosadrian
NSW
466 posts
NSW, 466 posts
1 Dec 2010 4:44pm
sausage said...

NotWal said...

I think helmets would be improved if they had heaps of perforations to let the water through, like some impact vests. Let the air through too to keep you cool.

As for violent catapults, its been said before - look back, sheet in and hold on. You just fly around in a circle and avoid all those nasty impacts, or at least scythe into the water more or less gracefully (mostly less). You have to practice it though so it happens automatically. Its fun. :)


Notwal,
Totally agree - my Gath gets way too hot to wear up here in the tropics and if sailing for over an hour the helmet seems to exert pressure on one point of my skull that becomes unbearable. Unless you're falling in every 5 minutes it's hard to dissipate the heat build-up. Don't wear it much anymore unless conditions are really ballistic although have a gopro on order so maybe I'll wear it more often.


I have the same issue with my gath exerting a couple of pressure points on my head that become unbearable after a while and result in headaches also. I measured myself up for it correctly, but assume the shape of my head is not quite matched to the shaped of the helmet. As a result I rarely use mine also, but I certainly feel that I should be. Early on a sea breeze day I normally rationalise that the wind is not strong enough to worry about serious crashes, and then when it kicks in I am too busy to go and get it, but if it was more comfortable I would be happy to wear it all the time. Has anyone resolved the issue and car to share how to? Do the helmets wear in over time with the foams deforming to suit your head shape? Or can I identify the pressure points and modify the foams to reduce them?

I must say that I rarely have a bad crash these days (like maybe once a whole season), but when I do I would prefer to have been wearing a helmet. Also, I would probably go a bit harder and learn some new things if I was more confident in not injuring myself as badly or knocking myself out and drowning.

-- Adrian


Chris 249
Chris 249
NSW
3576 posts
NSW, 3576 posts
1 Dec 2010 11:34pm
I tend to wonder why people worry about the hard part of their head (the top, back and side of the skull) while leaving the soft part (the fact) open to impact. My smash in the face was bloody annoying (I still suffer chronic effects 20+ years after stuffing a loop attempt back when none of us really knew how to do them) and such things are probably more dangerous than a blow to the back of the head.

I wore a cricket helmet to get face protection for a while, but only when going for loops. I've never had a really bad catapult in (gulp) 31 years of windsurfing. After a while you learn how to fall.
Kimba
Kimba
SA
459 posts
SA, 459 posts
1 Dec 2010 11:30pm
Hi Vosadrian,
My Gedi was tight in a few places and so I cut out part of the 10mm foam and put 5mm in its place.
It is only at the back and so it hasn't realy compromised my safety but I can now wear it all day without noticing its on.
Bondalucci
Bondalucci
VIC
1580 posts
VIC, 1580 posts
2 Dec 2010 12:44am
Trousers said...


coming up my board and sail looked fine but the boom was now bent upwards inbetween the harness lines........

........ i began to ponder whether i should take another look at a helmets...after i buy a new boom of course...


Hey, not so fast.....

Some people pay big money to have a boom like that...







busterwa
busterwa
3782 posts
3782 posts
1 Dec 2010 10:09pm
post photo or didnt happen !!!! i love my gaff!

vosadrian
vosadrian
NSW
466 posts
NSW, 466 posts
2 Dec 2010 3:15pm
Kimba said...

Hi Vosadrian,
My Gedi was tight in a few places and so I cut out part of the 10mm foam and put 5mm in its place.
It is only at the back and so it hasn't realy compromised my safety but I can now wear it all day without noticing its on.


Thanks!! I will try that.

Ian1
Ian1
WA
129 posts
WA, 129 posts
2 Dec 2010 7:10pm
I couldn't find a Gath I liked. They look great but not so nice to wear. I got a Gecko and its heaps better, cool and comfy, just don't look in the mirror.
I don't wear boardies over my wettie tho so I guess I'm not cool anyway .
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