the camera never lies - gybing

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easty
easty
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3 Jan 2008 11:26pm




For the first time my beloved took some photos of me windsurfing yesterday. I was shocked on seeing them how bad my technique looked. I thought I was leaning into the turns, but it looks like I'm actually leaning backwards. Do I need more weight on front arm and leg to keep the board flat? I actually made it around 90% of the corners yesterday, I could post the shots immediately after these ones which show me sailing away from these gybes, and came out of a few of them fully planing, (flip that rig way earlier than what you think!), but it's weird to actually see yourself in action. A great learning tool if you can get someone to take some shots for you. Then compare them to magazine shots, or some of the ones on seabreeze, to realise what you need to do.
BTW, water like a bath, shorts, rashie and sunhat, fully powered on 6.5 with smooth water,
mineral1
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3 Jan 2008 10:18pm
Lovely set of Lilly legs on ya
Your pulling the piss surely re able to gybe OK. Any gybe you don't get dunked is a good gybe
Mineral
nebbian
nebbian
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3 Jan 2008 10:26pm
If you plane out, then you can't be too far off.

I've found the Alpha division using a GPS to really help my gybes as well. Mainly by showing me that I've still got a long way to go
easty
easty
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4 Jan 2008 1:00am
mineral1 said...

Lovely set of Lilly legs on ya
Your pulling the piss surely re able to gybe OK. Any gybe you don't get dunked is a good gybe
Mineral


Yeah don't get dunked too much if it's flat, but throw in a bit of steep chop then that's where lack of proper technique gives you even more waterstart practice.


easty
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4 Jan 2008 1:01am
easty said...

mineral1 said...

Lovely set of Lilly legs on ya
Your pulling the piss surely re able to gybe OK. Any gybe you don't get dunked is a good gybe
Mineral


Yeah don't get dunked too much if it's flat, but throw in a bit of steep chop then that's where lack of proper technique gives you even more waterstart practice.

That was meant to be a




easty
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4 Jan 2008 1:08am
nebbian said...

If you plane out, then you can't be too far off.

I've found the Alpha division using a GPS to really help my gybes as well. Mainly by showing me that I've still got a long way to go


What's the Alpha division? Looked at some of the gps tracks and you can see the smooth corners at the end of each run - or if you stuff the gybe, fall off, waterstart, and then get going, does the track still look like a smooth curve?

nebbian
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3 Jan 2008 11:11pm
easty said...


What's the Alpha division? Looked at some of the gps tracks and you can see the smooth corners at the end of each run - or if you stuff the gybe, fall off, waterstart, and then get going, does the track still look like a smooth curve?


It allows you to measure how good your gybe was, and give it a number:

http://www.intellimass.com/RealSpeed/Alpha%20Racing.htm

easty
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4 Jan 2008 1:16am
Thanks Nebbs - err, found the camera scary enough, will leave gps alone for a while
monster
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4 Jan 2008 1:28am
thats a great looking spot you got there easty, looking forward to the noreasters on the weekend
Mr. No-one
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4 Jan 2008 12:09am
If you think a camera never lies then wait until you try video. Your right about fwd pressure and if you enter the gybe 30Deg off the wind and exit the same ( so you turn 120 Deg instead of 180 ) more speed can be carried through out.
Where's the icebergs?
fitz66
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4 Jan 2008 9:25am
Hey Easty ,nice pics. If you don't like the look of them, then stay away from the camcorder, that really shows all the things you are doing wrong. My main problem was hanging on to the rig too long, even my wife ( who doesn't windsurf but has watched Peter hart when in the room with me) can be heard behind the camera saying let the back hand go you and flick the rig you tosser.
easty
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4 Jan 2008 10:45am
fitz66 said...

Hey Easty ,nice pics. If you don't like the look of them, then stay away from the camcorder, that really shows all the things you are doing wrong. My main problem was hanging on to the rig too long, even my wife ( who doesn't windsurf but has watched Peter hart when in the room with me) can be heard behind the camera saying let the back hand go you and flick the rig you tosser.


Yeah I thought she was using the video function on the camera, but luckily she forgot it had one so only took stills. Will refine technique before using the vid. Although I guess most instructional courses probably use vids to identify problems, so it's probably a good thing to do. The wake in the last shot illustrates what Mr No-One says about not turning through 180 degrees, as I have done.

Sailhack
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4 Jan 2008 11:45am
fitz66 said...

Hey Easty ,nice pics. If you don't like the look of them, then stay away from the camcorder, that really shows all the things you are doing wrong. My main problem was hanging on to the rig too long, even my wife ( who doesn't windsurf but has watched Peter hart when in the room with me) can be heard behind the camera saying let the back hand go you and flick the rig you tosser.


Same here.....but I think she watches the w/surfing vids when I'm not at home too.....which worries me, 'coz she doesn't windsurf?!?

BTW Easty, I reckon my technique's similar to the pics you posted...I can gybe around, but my consistency with stance sucks, sometimes I do it easy, most times I get wet, mainly at rig flick point. I'd post pics my wife takes of me, but she waits until I'm slogging, standing upright in no wind close to the beach!

nebbian
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4 Jan 2008 10:20am
Jokes aside, getting someone to video you is the second best thing you can do for your gybes (the best thing is practice!). The trouble most people have is finding a willing camera operator!

Comparing your video to one of the proper ones (Peter Hart, Jem Hall, etc) will short cut the learning time by a huge amount. Don't be afraid to congratulate yourself on the things you are doing right, as well as finding holes in your technique.

Just do it!
stribo
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4 Jan 2008 11:58am
Easty i think your boom is a little high.If you drop it just a little you will be able to put more downward pressure on the boom giving you a more controlable turn.
If you stay on your toes and push down on the boom this eleminates the leaning back habit ,keeps the nose down and initiates the rail.Think of it as riding a motorbike around a bend.
cheers
easty
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4 Jan 2008 1:21pm
stribo said...

Easty i think your boom is a little high.If you drop it just a little you will be able to put more downward pressure on the boom giving you a more controlable turn.
If you stay on your toes and push down on the boom this eleminates the leaning back habit ,keeps the nose down and initiates the rail.Think of it as riding a motorbike around a bend.
cheers



Thanks, Stribo, will try. I remember reading a couple of years ago about driving the boom around as if you're on a Harley, and when I tried it it worked - had forgotten that though.
P.C_simpson
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4 Jan 2008 12:12pm
Easty, you need to lean forward a hell of a lot more, weight on front foot, straighten your front arm, everything else looks pretty good.
easty
easty
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4 Jan 2008 3:17pm
P.C_simpson said...

Easty, you need to lean forward a hell of a lot more, weight on front foot, straighten your front arm, everything else looks pretty good.


Thanks, all tips greatly appreciated.
Hey, maybe a good idea for a topic - people post photos of themselves and get feedback from the better sailors. Be a good learning tool for everyone.

grumplestiltskin
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4 Jan 2008 1:38pm
easty said...


Hey, maybe a good idea for a topic - people post photos of themselves and get feedback from the better sailors. Be a good learning tool for everyone.




Jeez, its bad enough having people laugh at my gut overhanging my harness, my double chins, not to mention my gumby style in person, let alone having the whole seabreeze community humiliating me
MikeyS
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4 Jan 2008 3:54pm

Hey, maybe a good idea for a topic - people post photos of themselves and get feedback from the better sailors. Be a good learning tool for everyone.




Geez, that'd mean I'd have to get my wife interested in watching me. The only times she's ever come down to the beach is to collect me after I've dislocated a shoulder. Great idea though.

I'd be making sure that masthand elbow was much lower, so you are pulling (it's almost like pushing with an open grip) more pressure on the mastfoot. And "drive" the gybe through the knees- in flat water like that you should really be able to put some g-forces through your knees.

For what it's worth.
P.C_simpson
P.C_simpson
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4 Jan 2008 3:12pm
no worries Easty, i learnt to lean forward by doing one handed gybes, a tip i got from the old freesail mag, you have to bend forward and down to drag your back hand through the water half way through the turn, worked a treat and learnt a new trick at the same time.
fatwa
fatwa
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4 Jan 2008 7:18pm
ahhh cremorne!

i grew up down there, top spot easty
easty
easty
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4 Jan 2008 9:58pm
fatwa said...

ahhh cremorne!

i grew up down there, top spot easty


Yep, tops. Lagoon, ocean beach, pointbreak surfing, top salmon and flattie fishing, love to live there, have to settle for 25min drive. (but 5 mins from work)

monster
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4 Jan 2008 10:16pm
ill
folow easty,s lead i know i need help
fatwa
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4 Jan 2008 10:49pm
easty said...

fatwa said...

ahhh cremorne!

i grew up down there, top spot easty


Yep, tops. Lagoon, ocean beach, pointbreak surfing, top salmon and flattie fishing, love to live there, have to settle for 25min drive. (but 5 mins from work)




Some pretty good oysters in that lagoon too. Just dont step on 'em.
easty
easty
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4 Jan 2008 11:38pm
Hence the booties!
C'mon, Monster needs some tips!
Gestalt
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4 Jan 2008 10:42pm
1. Bend Ze Knees!

monster
monster
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4 Jan 2008 11:48pm
were does one place back foot arfter taking said foot out of stap
easty
easty
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5 Jan 2008 12:32am
Gestalt said...

1. Bend Ze Knees!




Ha ha, I bet myself another bottle of red that would be the first! Cheers (burp)

easty
easty
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5 Jan 2008 12:37am
monster said...

were does one place back foot arfter taking said foot out of stap


umm, from fellow gybing P plater, just in front of said back foot strap, in middle of board to help initiate turn by pressing on toes. Open to corrections here. Back to bottle of red and new windsurfing DVD to drool and learn

monster
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5 Jan 2008 11:44am
thanks easty thats another problem solved only 100 to go , ill have to go out today and practice,practice , wind starting to pickup im outer here cheers bazz
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