radical designs from the past

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clarence
clarence
TAS
979 posts
TAS, 979 posts
8 Jul 2013 1:09am
For those who remember, the Tinkler tail was one of those cutting edge shortboard designs back in the day. It involved a flexible tail section, with screws to adjust the tail flex and hence looseness of the board. Mistral even put the concept in to production with the Challenge Flex in the early about 1989. Mistral went one step further and had interchangeable tails for the one board- a slalom and wave board in one. I don't believe they were imported to Australia. The owner of this one couldn't even rustle up 10 quid for this beauty- if only he shipped to Australia!

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Windsurfing-Board-Windsurf-board-Mistral-Board-Sailboard-Tiga-/300921466473?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&nma=true&si=yxJkcQ2j3dZ%252FOzgdEHiIRHRW2rQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
Dartboy
Dartboy
VIC
172 posts
VIC, 172 posts
8 Jul 2013 11:25am




This one came over with a guy from the UK. I dont think he ever used it . Now it sits in my museum in Geelong Victoria . This summer i will get it out and let those who want take it for a spin . Has the two tails one for slalom and one for speed . Made in "WEST" Germany too .
Dartboy
Dartboy
VIC
172 posts
VIC, 172 posts
8 Jul 2013 11:33am
I'll take a pic of a board Dan Engdahl made that I have , probably the weirdest board i have seen , a hydroplane style thing that has done 40plus knots !
watch this space .
TwinMan
TwinMan
WA
108 posts
WA, 108 posts
8 Jul 2013 9:44am
i had a challenge flex and they werent too bad from memory however i recall springs disappearing into orbit out of the deck when
coming down from a decent jump tail first. looks like its in great condition....
Milsy
Milsy
NSW
1176 posts
NSW, 1176 posts
8 Jul 2013 12:07pm
that is amazing!!, what is gained by more looseness in the board?, eg faster, my friend has started to work on a board called the flapper, big square back end, with this rubber flap hanging off the back off the board, im not sure what year its from, or what the flapper does,,,
evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
9207 posts
NSW, 9207 posts
8 Jul 2013 4:12pm
Dartboy said..
This one came over with a guy from the UK. I dont think he ever used it . Now it sits in my museum in Geelong Victoria . This summer i will get it out and let those who want take it for a spin . Has the two tails one for slalom and one for speed . Made in "WEST" Germany too.


All the JP "simple and proven daggerboard systems" are still made in West Germany. There must be a warehouse full of them since then.

yoyo
yoyo
WA
1646 posts
WA, 1646 posts
8 Jul 2013 2:23pm
Interesting stuff, thought about this myself...it is another thing doing it in production..


Dartboy
Dartboy
VIC
172 posts
VIC, 172 posts
8 Jul 2013 4:57pm





Bit like this one Milsy ?

Not sure about why it works but this one does . Have done my 29 knts on this one .
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2897 posts
SA, 2897 posts
8 Jul 2013 5:02pm
I remember those Roberts designs. the idea was also used by some on the back of Torquay boards.
the flap helps with cavitation and allows fin to be closer to back and thus less board in water.
ka43
ka43
NSW
3101 posts
NSW, 3101 posts
8 Jul 2013 7:16pm
If I remember correctly the "flapper" was a big thing on the PBA/PWA back in the 90's. Boards had gone super wide (before Formula) and fins were getting big. Placed very far back the flap or Anti Cavitation Skirt supposedly helped in stopping air getting sucked down the fin and causing spinout. Most manufacturers had a model including RRD and a few others I cant remember.
Milsy
Milsy
NSW
1176 posts
NSW, 1176 posts
8 Jul 2013 7:35pm
yeah, thats right, the fin is heaps far back, and that flapper is supposed to help with spinout, the guy who rides it back home is good, his about 100kg, and uses it as a light to medium winder, im pretty sure he has broken thirty on it, he has sent it off to get a custom made carbon flap, im not sure if that will work or not, im thinking a carbon flap will be a lot stiffer than a rubber flap, which might not work well........or might work better?
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2897 posts
SA, 2897 posts
10 Jul 2013 5:58pm
the flap flexes to stay on water surface but not have tail dig in behind fin and drag.
Jungleman
Jungleman
NSW
96 posts
NSW, 96 posts
12 Jul 2013 12:19am
I have a Seatrend All Star (haven`t sailed it yet) . carbon board with flapper on the back. very soft rubber. came with a Caveman 50cm fin.


Dartboy
Dartboy
VIC
172 posts
VIC, 172 posts
15 Jul 2013 11:14am







Told you it was an interesting board . Built by Dan Engdahl . He rode it in 1997 I think at Sandy point .
The modifications were made by Dan after he gave it some initial test runs at over 40 knots. You can see where he has decided to reduce the trailing edge width of the hydroplane section of the hull, these just have to be finished off . Off set fin made for Starboard tack bias.
Dont ask me what the mast track at the rear is for . Dan mentioned it was some crazy counter balance thing that turned out to be pretty dangerous in practice so he turfed it .
clarence
clarence
TAS
979 posts
TAS, 979 posts
18 Jul 2013 11:55am
Makes the Tinkler tail look decidedly conservative!
CRO169
CRO169
44 posts
44 posts
18 Jul 2013 2:45pm
To me it looks as odd as a bicycle with triangular wheels!
yoyo
yoyo
WA
1646 posts
WA, 1646 posts
18 Jul 2013 4:44pm
I have a recollection of a conversation with Dan where he said he was going to add another layer of foam to the front half as the step wasn't big enough. To me it looks like that extra layer has the bevels.
He was thinking of counter balance weights to windward and a few other ideas that seemed more "extreme"...
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