Which sails rig on the port side?

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evlPanda
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17 Nov 2012 2:54pm
...because my shiny new mast extension [from site sponsor] is a mirror image of every other one I've ever seen or used. Perhaps [site sponsor]'s sails rig back-to-front too, port side up.

The cleat is on the left.

This means threading everything back-to-front, which is bloody hard/impossible after all these years, and then ending up with the cleat down in the grass when you go to adjust downhaul. Stupid.

Is this a manufacturing error/refund?

p.s. all the images on their site show it back-to-front.
DavMen
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17 Nov 2012 3:11pm
Sounds like you got a left handed one.

Look at the images in a mirror
Reflex Films
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17 Nov 2012 12:41pm
Severne are configured to rig port side - all the cleats / geometry / boom head orientation / rope pockets for excess rope are configured to be super easy when done this way.

I can rig em both ways no dramas - but port saves about 30 seconds- and makes for great ergonomics
- which could be an extra wave or a jump when you are in a rush after work!
Mark _australia
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17 Nov 2012 1:04pm
I always rig starboard side up, and my Chinook extension and whatever I had before has the cleat uppermost when rigging starboard side up.

I don't recall any of my numerous extensions being different over the years. I also saw a number of people rig Severnes with starboard side up yesterday - are you sure you are talking abotu which side is up rather than down Matt?

You people are in a parallel universe.
Never had to think about it or seen anything different......



Roar
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17 Nov 2012 4:29pm
Didnt KA put their Cam pockets on the other side on some sails due to the tack they use at sandy point?

FormulaNova
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17 Nov 2012 2:44pm
Roar said...
Didnt KA put their Cam pockets on the other side on some sails due to the tack they use at sandy point?




Yeah, I have heard that too, and the ones I use have the cam pockets on the starbord side (I hope I got that right!).
evlPanda
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17 Nov 2012 6:12pm
Reflex Films said...
Severne are configured to rig port side - all the cleats / geometry / boom head orientation / rope pockets for excess rope are configured to be super easy when done this way.


[site sponsor] guessed correctly.


I can rig em both ways no dramas - but port saves about 30 seconds- and makes for great ergonomics.


But doesn't it make more sense for right handed/most people to be pushing with the right leg? And how does it save time; it's exactly the same but mirror image?

mark_australia siad...
You people are in a parallel universe.
Never had to think about it or seen anything different......


Tell me about it. If I'd noticed I'd have bought something else.
And people complain about Pryde's mast bend.

Looks like I'm rigging upside down from now on.
- Which means I'll be rolling sail the other way too.
- And threading mirror image.
- Damn it. Boom is going to be uncorrectable!
Bizarro land.




Well. There it is. Severne sails rig upside down. Who knew?




How anyone can figure it is more ergonomic to be pulling outside your leg is beyond me. A lefty could confirm they've been doing it for years on normal gear.

There's a bad taste in my mouth. That's overkill.
It's bloody annoying though. Now I have to attach the boom on one side, flip the sail, continue rigging the other. Outhaul will be upside down but that's not too bad. Mirrored thread pattern will be fun.

Flipping the sail in wind in a confined area is going to be awkward. And very naff.
How am I saving 30 seconds?

Should come with a warning. Might take it back.
evlPanda
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17 Nov 2012 6:42pm
seanhogan
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17 Nov 2012 5:46pm
[b]evlPanda said
Should come with a warning. Might take it back.


well it does say "sail for the revolution...."

evlPanda
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17 Nov 2012 7:06pm
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seanhogan
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17 Nov 2012 6:08pm
^^^^^^^^top stuff !!!!!!!!


see, you're getting used to it !!!
sboardcrazy
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17 Nov 2012 7:11pm
evlPanda said...
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Wow..upside down typing..
barn
barn
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17 Nov 2012 4:15pm
Luft goes to the left. It's not right otherwise..
swoosh
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17 Nov 2012 6:15pm
yup, the severne sails come out of the bag rolled to suit port side rigging. i've got a chinook extension so at some stage in the rigging process i need to flip it over, i usually thread it all up, then flip it right at the end.

should get a severne extension, save me 30 seconds, but can't really justify throwing away a perfectly good extension....

wanna swap?
Mark _australia
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17 Nov 2012 4:29pm
That is fkn weird. Every single extension I have ever had is the other way around.

Yesterday I saw a few people rig new-ish Severnes, with Severne extensions, and do it starboard up like everyone else.

This is like a dream I can't wake up from, unsure what is reality, I'm going to the beach to look before it does my head in.

Simon100
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17 Nov 2012 6:33pm
i have the severne extension too its a good thing but it would have been nice if they just did it the same side as every one else instead of trying to be different
barn
barn
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17 Nov 2012 5:14pm
Anybody notice we're the only species not naked? Why must we be different?
FormulaNova
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17 Nov 2012 5:36pm
barn said...
Anybody notice we're the only species not naked? Why must we be different?



What about penguins and leopards?
CJW
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17 Nov 2012 9:54pm
I too once switching to Severne, after fighting it, had to switch to rigging port side up, which as most people have said is counter intuitive ergonomically because as a right hander I want to push with my right leg when downhauling. With the sail sitting port side up the right is the 'inside leg' which means the rope comes over the leg from outside to in, rather staying on the inside of the leg. This is an unnatural line up of forces ergonomically...and it's annoying.

However the reason I do it has less to do with the cleat position on the extension (a minor issue, it works both ways imo) and more to do with the fact that the boom goes on far easier with the sail on that side, and the elastic/hook when rolled up only really work if you roll the sail port side up. My conclusion is that Ben must be left leg/handed
da vecta
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17 Nov 2012 9:57pm
I figured that Severnes would be easier to rig in a WA seabreeze and that's where it started from. (ie Tip downwind/mast on windward side) I had to change my boom heads over when I got my Severnes. Good for rigging in a NE over here.

But more importantly, (Mark you will probably know this) why do you have to thread the downhaul rope at all in every modern sail? My retro sails have an eyelet and the rope is already threaded through the pulleys (attached to the mastbase) which just hooks onto the sail. It's soooo much quicker and easier. It's not just about setting the sail down lower as you could just put the eyelet in the sail slightly higher and get the same effect. You can also afford yourself better quality pulleys that would be ready for all your sails.

I reckon threading the pulleys is the most time consuming part of rigging. ...and you usually have to sit down to do it for some reason.

Have I written too much in regards to this?




GazMan
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17 Nov 2012 9:07pm
Certainly a bit of a pain when your quiver is a mix of port-side Severnes and other sails rigged on starboard-side (like my quiver). Also, I've used a Streamlined RDM extension for many years and have never been able to get the rope aligned correctly and the pulleys working properly when I use it with Severne sails (ended up using an Aeron extension when I rig a Severne which works well).
fitz66
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18 Nov 2012 9:02am
Man this is cracking me up, never thought about which way my sail is when rigging but now realise why I love my severnes..... yes I'm a lefty. Thanks Ben for helping me out. Keep up the entertainment people, hope you find reality soon Mark lol.
jmetcher
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18 Nov 2012 9:30am
Never knew we sailboarders were such a spatially challenged lot. Anyone here have to turn the map around?
Windxtasy
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18 Nov 2012 9:27am
I rig my sails so the breeze is blowing over the luff. That requires lying the sail on a different side depending on where I am sailing. I use cammed sails but it can be done. I can reach under to do up a zip, and you don't have to flip the sail to roll it, you just roll it under instead of over.
Ben Severne may or may not be a leftie but rigging on port would suit a WA seabreeze at the beach so I guess that's where his motivation is.
Mark _australia
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18 Nov 2012 10:14am
You don't have to flip it Anita, just rotate it. eg in a seabreeze I have the mast tip to the north of the beach (NE really) and in a winter northwesterly the mast tip is pointing to as S - SSE.

Much easier to rig if you don't flip it, so the rope threading is always the same etc.
P.C_simpson
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18 Nov 2012 12:22pm
I actualy asked Ben this, and it was well thought out and planned, most wavesailing spots around the world are the same tack as W.A were the sails are designed and tested apart from Maui. So the way the rig is perfect for W.A. Back to the wind mast closes to the sea..

Some companies have not thought about it at all like Aeron, There extensions rig the opisite way to there booms, now that don't make sense.
racerX
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18 Nov 2012 5:56pm
Old arrows SDM extensions rig this way, as well. So perhaps their sails did to?

All my sails are Severne, for the booms (tecnolimits) I just undid the clamp, and put it back the opposite(correct way). The big sails have 4 pullies, and SDM have 4 rollers which make it feasible for me down haul by hand.



evlPanda
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18 Nov 2012 9:26pm
Mark _australia said...
This is like a dream I can't wake up from, unsure what is reality, I'm going to the beach to look before it does my head in.


The horror!



da vecta said...
But more importantly, (Mark you will probably know this) why do you have to thread the downhaul rope at all in every modern sail? My retro sails have an eyelet and the rope is already threaded through the pulleys (attached to the mastbase) which just hooks onto the sail. It's soooo much quicker and easier. It's not just about setting the sail down lower as you could just put the eyelet in the sail slightly higher and get the same effect. You can also afford yourself better quality pulleys that would be ready for all your sails.

I reckon threading the pulleys is the most time consuming part of rigging. ...and you usually have to sit down to do it for some reason.


This is by far the most sensible idea. What happened to those old school contraptions? I had one once.

How to thread: Click. Done.
Sailhack
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18 Nov 2012 10:01pm
I just rig the thing however it lands when I throw it on the ground... same for rolling it back up.?
grumplestiltskin
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19 Nov 2012 6:32pm
Sailhack said...
I just rig the thing however it lands when I throw it on the ground... same for rolling it back up.?


me too!, after 30 years of rigging I never thought about it having to be done from one side only

Probably accounts for why I never seem to get the rigging right the first time and have to adjust it after a couple of runs ... or maybe thats because I always overestimate the wind strength
Mark _australia
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19 Nov 2012 11:36pm
I like pic 5b for how to roll the sail.

The fact somebody is rolling it whilst wearing 3/4 arm length skivvy at the beach (must be trying to appeal to the German market??) is offset by the very realistic crinkled leech.

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