What's the best career for a young windsurfer

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sandman
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16 Sep 2008 8:28pm
far out, you got quite a lot of opinions there mate! I'm gonna give one too cos I can, I worked as a boiler maker for about a year...dont do it, other trades maybe I dunno, but boiler work will mess your body up and I dunno about everyone else but by the time I finished work 10 or 12 hours work at 4pm I was barley awake enough to drive.

$33 ph x 50 hr per week - about 30 percent tax (prob more) = 60 grand a year with no days off or holidays, sounds good now, but when your busting your ass the whole time you'll get pretty sick of it. especially when you have had to work 4 years initially at half the pay to get the qualification.

I got a mate 27 yo, works Aus summer (with some water time) then travels 4months at whatever euro country takes his fancy, just got back from egypt. doin this for 4 years now, structural engineer...lucky bstrd.

teacher could be a good call too, but only if your passionate about teaching kids, my old man did it for 20 years and that is what he thinks.

Uh oh I gave 2 opinions...is that allowed?
sflack
sflack
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16 Sep 2008 10:31pm
elizabethb said...

Hey bruh, ahhh yeah I've been the Co-ordinator of BSC lately, and moved onto ASC...
I've been doing it or 4 years now; Quit my last OSHC job and moved to a much better one at a school 200m down the road! I quit a Pvt school I went to, to go to a State school... Ironic really... and much better!

Going from teaching year 7s and other students (at the same school), and then being off prac and working BSC, ASC and Vacation care, the kids in OSHC (outside school hours care) programs are TOTALLY different to teaching... Everything is different; the behaviour, the lack of respect, everything is different. Students look at this (OSHC) as more of a babysitting service, rather than a teacher educating students and if being totally different...

Your own class is YOURS.... You have 30 children all day, teach them what you like, develop your own behaviour strategies and reward system and design your own units. etc.

Whereas OSHC you do what you're told to a certain extent...
You cannot compare teaching to OSHC....sssoooo different!

You in Brissy!?



Nah im in melbourne... I treat OSHC totally different to you. Im the sheriff/cheiefton/co-ordinator so i just make sure the kids have fun... which is not always the safest option.

When the kids are at OSHC, i dont want it to be a babysitting service or school more like just a place to hang out. We dont always have rules (just the general ones) but if a kids breaks the rules, out latest thing is put them on olympic time out (time out for 4 years) or even wearing a girls hat...

Its pretty casual!

I do holiday programs as well, and thats soo different to ASC.

I dont mean to be rude, but the teachers pay here in VIC is sooooo terrible. Whats it like where you are?

Cos i know its not all about the money, but at the end of the day, you need money to live off!!

Cheers Steve
elizabethb
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16 Sep 2008 10:47pm
Hey Steve,
ahhh okay, I was just going to say you'd be welcome to hollar in the back of my class if u wanted to see the difference bruh.

That was why I hated OSHC; this OSHC job is wayyyy better =]

The best thing is, male teachers are pretty much guareneteed a JOB! So don't worry there!!!
4 years of cruisy uni, with what, a $15 000 HECS debt, but I've done 6 extra electives than needed for my degree, so about $12 k then.
I mean, uni this semester, I am there 2 hours on monday and that's it!....

Ask away... =] We get $48 500 first year out. More would help, but here they are blabbing about paying depending how successful and good they are; yeah how is that fair for anyone!? lol
Lizz =]
Troppo
Troppo
WA
887 posts
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16 Sep 2008 8:57pm
be a firey

2 day shifts 8am- 6pm then
2 night shifts 6pm- 8am

then 4 days off. = 6 days on the water out of 8 if there is wind.
Haircut
Haircut
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16 Sep 2008 11:18pm
teaching - DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE

if u gonna be a teacher, be a uni lecturer, know your stuff, walk in, walk out - no rolls to mark and only half the paperwork of primary / highschool & TAFE + minimal audits

elizabethb
elizabethb
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16 Sep 2008 11:28pm
Haircut said...

teaching - DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE

if u gonna be a teacher, be a uni lecturer, know your stuff, walk in, walk out - no rolls to mark and only half the paperwork of primary / highschool & TAFE + minimal audits


lol oh yeah obviously so, but if you can't be a teacher, don't think about lecturing... haha especially tutoring... There are some TERRIBLE uni tutors out there!

3-4 years of a uni degree
masters 1-2 years
PhD 2-3 years

6-9 years later then you're in a university position then work your way to the top with experience and leadership....

A starting position lecturing and tutoring, even being the convenor of a few courses is only $50 000 anyway; so close to teaching anyway!...

After 10 additional years associate lecturer... long climb to the top, but worth it...

At GU, the head of our school, Apro Howard Middleton is on $110 k a year...
fullmoon
fullmoon
WA
314 posts
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16 Sep 2008 9:29pm
Been a plumber(ok job,good money),a roof plumber(good for windsurfing,average money),still a firey(great for windsurfing,below average money).
Get an engineering job(petro,chemical,mechanical).If you want a new Evil Twin you just go and buy one and anything else you want as well.If you pick the right job your hours can be flexy too.
Stay at school as long as possible to maximise all your options.
Haircut
Haircut
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16 Sep 2008 11:34pm
i agree lizzy b

but for ease of job vs money earnt = best to be a uni lecturer @ $85 an hour i reckon
elizabethb
elizabethb
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16 Sep 2008 11:38pm
Haircut said...

i agree lizzy b

but for ease of job vs money earnt = best to be a uni lecturer @ $85 an hour i reckon


oh yeah! Once you get to that point, its so worth it!!!
You have to write journals and publish a certain number of articles throughout a semester/ year. [}:)] But if its you and comes naturally, then woot!

Esp. when you publish a book, and still twenty-five years later, the royalties of $10k are coming in per year!.... ooOoo ...
Haircut
Haircut
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16 Sep 2008 11:47pm
i think what we're told and what actually happens when uni's employ folk are two different things. i know 2 uni lecturers who've never done any of that stuff u mention? the standard of students enrolled seem to be very low in QLD too, when you consider the type of students the likes of bond uni take.
elizabethb
elizabethb
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16 Sep 2008 11:53pm
aaahhh haircut, I just know what happens at Griffith; no idea about any other uni; I assumed it was the same.
The drop-out rate for Education students as a whole (at all unis) is terrible, but GU have the best Education program around.

You can be employed as a tutor without a Masters, but they prefer and insist you get one/ but it is not mandatory.

Lecturing you have to have done a PhD.

This is just what I've learned from working for them and having coffee and lunch with them helps
Haircut
Haircut
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16 Sep 2008 11:56pm
yeah griffith certainly seems to be the pick of them doesn't it

porn star would probably be the best windsurfing complimentary job i reckon. stiff masts with constant curve seem to work well in qld conditions

barn
barn
WA
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17 Sep 2008 12:13am
club vass instructor

Mobydisc
Mobydisc
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17 Sep 2008 8:15am
I read a similar thread here and someone suggested being an income tax accountant. You do heaps of tax returns during the last half of the year then have the rest of the year off.

Income tax rules generally do not change dramatically from year to year and the rules of accounting are pretty straight forward; unless you ran Lehman Brothers.

Richiefish
Richiefish
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17 Sep 2008 11:17am
playboy magazine photogragher ? Freelance porn star ? windsurfing /resort reviewer ? Rockstar/moviestar? Criminal mastermind ? House gigalo in a catholic girls boarding school ? so many careers and just one life.....
king of the point
king of the point
WA
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17 Sep 2008 10:39am
Get a life ................

Your destiny is already mapped out for you ,you just dont know it.

So now go do it .

Take that next breath.


mabbott
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17 Sep 2008 1:22pm
Do something you enjoy, If you cannot think of a career- think broader, eg can you see yourself tied to a desk/computer min 8hrs a day, or do you like to be on your feet/doing something physical.

I worked in finance for about 6yrs and just couldn't stand living in the city and dealing with public transport every day- felt like a penguin waddling to the office in my suit. The money was sweet, but the lifestyle sh1thouse. I took a 50% paycut and moved to the coast to study again. Never been happier and not stuck behind a desk going through financials all day.
Sailhack
Sailhack
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17 Sep 2008 2:55pm
Agree with Mabbott & OB64.....Do something you like! Although when you're young, you prob don't know what that is, & it is good to get some coin behind you at a young age, just don't let it take over, or you'll wake up at 50 & realise that you missed out on living!

I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned (post is sooooo long!)

Personally if I had the choice, and could do over again, I'd study engineering/renewable energy (especially wind). I met a Melbourne guy a while back that got paid to travel around Aus, to the WINDIEST LOCATIONS, working on wind farms.....good coin, good hours, accom paid, great job in my eyes!
sailquik
sailquik
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17 Sep 2008 4:33pm
Mobydisc said...

Teaching is a good job for a windsurfer. You can normally leave work around 3.30pm. Every summer you get a month off and another six weeks a year. Get a job in a fancy private school and then get windsurfing to be part of outdoor education. Plus you will get around another month off school through extra holidays.


Windsurfing could be used to teach students about the weather, water state, tides, navigation etc etc.

Edit: A fireman or policeman would be a good job too. They do something like 4 day shifts then have 4 days off.



Hey Moby. You are obviously not a teacher yourself!

Most teachers will tell you that they rarely leave work before 4.30 - 5pm, unless its really windy that is...

Fireman, Police and Ambo's get great flexible hours and a lot of days off if you are the risk taking type.[}:)]

sailquik
sailquik
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17 Sep 2008 4:35pm
My suggestion. Get a career that pays HUGE money, forget about windsurfing for a few years while you accumulate obscene wealth, than retire before 30 and spent the rest of your life windsurfing!

Hmmmm.... Why didn't I do that...............
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
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17 Sep 2008 5:59pm
sailquik said...

Hey Moby. You are obviously not a teacher yourself!

Most teachers will tell you that they rarely leave work before 4.30 - 5pm, unless its really windy that is...

Fireman, Police and Ambo's get great flexible hours and a lot of days off if you are the risk taking type.[}:)]




I was a teacher for a few years and now work in a non teaching capacity at a private school. When teaching I'd be at work at 7.40am for a 9am start and finish at around 3.30pm. I'd take work home with me though. Probably around a couple of hours every night.

Maybe its different in Victoria but in the schools I've worked in most people leave the place pretty quickly after the final bell for the day.

I'm thinking about getting back into a teaching position as I miss it.



fionzc
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17 Sep 2008 4:04pm
mabbott said...

Do something you enjoy, If you cannot think of a career- think broader, eg can you see yourself tied to a desk/computer min 8hrs a day, or do you like to be on your feet/doing something physical.

I worked in finance for about 6yrs and just couldn't stand living in the city and dealing with public transport every day- felt like a penguin waddling to the office in my suit. The money was sweet, but the lifestyle sh1thouse. I took a 50% paycut and moved to the coast to study again. Never been happier and not stuck behind a desk going through financials all day.

I agree...you have to make sure what you study is something you like and can envision yourself doing for a good 30 years of your life! I studied finance in university, thinking that was what I wanted, then went into a banking job because all my friends did it too. 1.5 years on, I hated what I was doing, can't stand being stuck behind a desk, so I resigned! In the midst of this economic/Wall Street turmoil no less

I was teaching music for about 4 years too...but it got a little tiring after awhile. Someone else's dream job may not be yours, so you gotta try to figure out.
elizabethb
elizabethb
QLD
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17 Sep 2008 6:50pm
Mobydisc said...

I was a teacher for a few years and now work in a non teaching capacity at a private school. When teaching I'd be at work at 7.40am for a 9am start and finish at around 3.30pm. I'd take work home with me though. Probably around a couple of hours every night.

Maybe its different in Victoria but in the schools I've worked in most people leave the place pretty quickly after the final bell for the day.

I'm thinking about getting back into a teaching position as I miss it.


So true; put the hours in during the morning, and you get to leave asap. Our school clears out of teachers by 4 at the latest. Work is taken home! =] Easy.
lol

Ahhh speaking about kids... I'm off to my Year 7 kids Restaurant Night- lets hope... no food poisoning... LOL !
jusavina
jusavina
QLD
1505 posts
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17 Sep 2008 7:14pm
Ahhh teaching... I've been studing up to a master in sport teaching and sport management at the uni in France and now I'm in Australia waiting for a work permit for a totally different job. Anyway, I was surprised by the shifts and the pay of a teacher in Australia so if anyone knows a school in brisbane that need someone to teach french or sport and would pay for a work permit, tell me!
If possible not before one month, I have to get sailing
By the way upthere, do an olympic campaign in windsurf. I've been doing that during my studies. Sailing every day but I got found by the federation though...
Pugwash
Pugwash
WA
7733 posts
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17 Sep 2008 5:28pm
Just searched for Junior Geologist on Seek... 3-4 years uni, lots of plane rides, frequent breaks, here is the description:

* Grad/Jnr Underground Geology role
* Graduate salary to 90k plus 8k sign on bonus
* Opportunity to move...

If you did this, you could be getting more $$ than the head of your geology school (if equivalent to teaching faculty) with just a couple of years experience.

BTW, DO NOT BECOME A GEOLOGIST

Upthere
Upthere
QLD
348 posts
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17 Sep 2008 8:10pm
My Grandfather always said that if you love the work you do you never have to work a day in your life. So thats the reason i want to get it right, right from the start.
Haircut
Haircut
QLD
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17 Sep 2008 9:11pm
so porno star it is then
Richiefish
Richiefish
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17 Sep 2008 9:31pm
Go hard !!!!
Mr. No-one
Mr. No-one
WA
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17 Sep 2008 7:55pm
Haircut said...

so porno star it is then


But negotiate hard, you don't want to get shafted.

Or go to Wello on a weekday around 2pm when it's happening and ask the guys sailing what they do for a job and maybe ask if they have a vacancy. If you score a boss that sails your set.
sailpilot
sailpilot
QLD
787 posts
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17 Sep 2008 10:06pm
Go to maritime college in Tazzie (cold but still sailable), learn some navigation and seamanshippy type stuff. Go to sea with a shipping company and get your nav tickets.
Then its off to sea for 2-3 months at a time (girlfriend will hate this but as you'll find there's plenty more over the horizon). Then there's 2-3 months holiday to go sail anywhere you like. Work six months a year/ play the rest.
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