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ikw777
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9 May 2011 1:13pm
I'm looking at getting a Select Freeslam in 40cm.

Can anyone tell me if Select have changed their fin construction techniques since the mid 2000s? The fins used to be glued (barely) into a plastic head. Are they using a stronger construction now? I'm talking about powerbox fins.

I clipped a turtle with a Select Ride last week and the fin essentially pulled out of the head with very little evidence of glue left behind.


fullmoon
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9 May 2011 11:21am
Doesnt look good but sure beats tearing the housing out of the board.
Bet the turtle wasnt too happy about being "clipped"
ikw777
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9 May 2011 1:29pm
It was a very light impact. Didn't feel it. Just heard a click and then the world went sideways. Mate behind me saw flippers and things in my wake.

The bugger got my watch too.
elmo
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9 May 2011 12:19pm
Ive repaired the grey weed fin, they appear to be only thermo glued in.

When re-boxing fins, the Select ones are the easiest to get the old bases of as the come of with a chisel rather than having to be ground of as the glue is very brittle.

A solid G10 base will hold up better.

Generally either the barrel nut strips or get ripped out of the fin.

If it all holds together after that then you'll most likely damage the fin box.

Give me "Elmo proof" over "bomb proof" any day
barn
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9 May 2011 12:42pm
I can't help but think the fin falling out is the best result for the turtle.. And for this reason I personally wouldn't want to replace it with something indestructible..

Big Al
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9 May 2011 1:07pm
I totally agree with Barn and personally would rather have a fin break than slice a turtle in 2 or a box get ripped out. Select fins use a Conic box system which means you can interchange them e.g. Powerbox to Tuttle. No glue should really be used in this process as the fit up is as tight as a gypsies jatsie.
Makes it pretty pointless if u glue it up imo.

AB....
ikw777
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9 May 2011 4:58pm
You guys are making a lot of sense. It's better for everone if the fin breaks away. Better for turtles and better for the board. I'd been hoping, as it felt like such a small impact, that Mr Turtle was unharmed.
Waiting4wind
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9 May 2011 5:05pm
Yes they have changed the construction, it is now a moulded head like most other fins!
mkseven
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9 May 2011 6:15pm
ikw777 said...

You guys are making a lot of sense. It's better for everone if the fin breaks away. Better for turtles and better for the board. I'd been hoping, as it felt like such a small impact, that Mr Turtle was unharmed.


Often it feels like a small impact cause of where you hit on the fin. Last turtle I hit was with a tuttle box select around the same vintage & it punched the fin through the back of the box (& moved the fin in the head) so they hold up pretty well.
DrJ
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9 May 2011 8:55pm
I have bought two select fins in the last 18 months. The finish on both was very poor. The first time I scored it down as a one off, but the second was so bad, it took a lot of machining to get it to fit into deep Tuttle, and the blade does not appear to be symmetrical , in fact the more I look the the less symetric it appears to be .... I have decided not to buy select again.

It weird they must be ok they seem very common and popular in Europe, but two for twos a bad score as far as I am concerned.
russh
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9 May 2011 9:05pm
Found these fins - ordered the 13cm Mini tuttle sides for my 99 thruster - good range of fins and there's some speedie tuttle fins as well

blackprojecthawaii.com/
ikw777
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10 May 2011 12:16am
mkseven said...


Often it feels like a small impact cause of where you hit on the fin. Last turtle I hit was with a tuttle box select around the same vintage & it punched the fin through the back of the box (& moved the fin in the head) so they hold up pretty well.


Jeepers! how many have you hit?
ikw777
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10 May 2011 12:18am
DrJ said...

I have bought two select fins in the last 18 months. The finish on both was very poor. The first time I scored it down as a one off, but the second was so bad, it took a lot of machining to get it to fit into deep Tuttle, and the blade does not appear to be symmetrical , in fact the more I look the the less symetric it appears to be .... I have decided not to buy select again.

It weird they must be ok they seem very common and popular in Europe, but two for twos a bad score as far as I am concerned.


Yes that is putting me off now.
mkseven
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10 May 2011 6:10am
DrJ said...

I have bought two select fins in the last 18 months. The finish on both was very poor. The first time I scored it down as a one off, but the second was so bad, it took a lot of machining to get it to fit into deep Tuttle, and the blade does not appear to be symmetrical , in fact the more I look the the less symetric it appears to be .... I have decided not to buy select again.

It weird they must be ok they seem very common and popular in Europe, but two for twos a bad score as far as I am concerned.


Must have bad luck, ive bought somewhere around 30 selects in the last 2 years. Apart from the us box ones they all fit perfect. Only 3 i think whistled, but i have later sanded trailing edge on all as the paint seems to be uneven along the trailing edge- all select slalom fins feel nicer with this done.

Not alot of fins are purely symmetrical, perhaps they warp slightly through curing or maybe through storage. All boards differ to with finbox fit, some brands paint box etc. With fanatic, f2, naish & mistral ive not had a problem- except as said with the us box.
KenHo
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10 May 2011 2:09pm
Tuttle fins rarely fit without some sanding and stuffing around. Dunno why, powerbox does not seem to have the same issue. I have fin fitting on my list of things to do before the weekend.
Kimba
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10 May 2011 1:57pm
Tuttle has parallel sides so even .1 of a mil oversize and it will need sanding, PB is tapered so .1 oversize and it would sit up probably .025 of a mil which is why PB's generally need little or no re-working to fit.
jsnfok
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10 May 2011 12:28pm
i have bought and tried many select fins and never really liked them, being super thin they could do with a layer of carbon on each side, but they make fantastic freestyle fins, just grab a 30cm and chop it [}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)]
Mark _australia
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10 May 2011 12:54pm
jsnfok said...

i have bought and tried many select fins and never really liked them, being super thin they could do with a layer of carbon on each side, but they make fantastic freestyle fins, just grab a 30cm and chop it [}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)]


Likewise. Don't rate their wave fins at all. Too thin and flexy, give me a G10 MFC any day
mkseven
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10 May 2011 5:50pm
Which fins are we talking here, i've got x1 evo's & they aren't flexy at all- probably mid flex wise probably a touch stiffer in the tip than mfc's i've tried. Bump & Jumps a tiny bit stiffer again. Both I would rate as my favourite fin of that genre i've tried ever. S09's were the same, 1st time I tried they suited my style perfectly.

Everyone has their favourite fins, i've tried lots & lots & lots and in the end settled with select- SOME of their fins are fantastic, others can be not so good. No point brand bashing as they work (sometimes exceptionally well).
Bondalucci
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10 May 2011 6:07pm
barn said...

I can't help but think the fin falling out is the best result for the turtle.. And for this reason I personally wouldn't want to replace it with something indestructible..




The ones that fall out easily are known as Turtle Box fins, and are designed that way specifically to cater for our wonderful marine life.

DrJ
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10 May 2011 6:25pm
mkseven said...

Which fins are we talking here, i've got x1 evo's & they aren't flexy at all- probably mid flex wise probably a touch stiffer in the tip than mfc's i've tried. Bump & Jumps a tiny bit stiffer again. Both I would rate as my favourite fin of that genre i've tried ever. S09's were the same, 1st time I tried they suited my style perfectly.

Everyone has their favourite fins, i've tried lots & lots & lots and in the end settled with select- SOME of their fins are fantastic, others can be not so good. No point brand bashing as they work (sometimes exceptionally well).


I don't see any " brand bashing" just real users giving honest opinions in response to a specific question, isn't that the point ? Some post stating how good they think they are others stating what they think is wrong with them, there are even some comments on what some folks see as underlying problems associated with fins in general.

So no brand bashing, and/ or any need for being self-righteous, it seems this thread is exemplary of how threads should be?
mkseven
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10 May 2011 6:42pm
Original question was answered long before the "I don't like Select" comments started.

Select have improved alot in the last 2 years or so addressing many issues from finish to material used for their head. Since i've seen how much evolution their slalom fins has undergone I imagine their wave & freeride fins are the same.

Good threads will say what the fin was & what the findings are not a general "I dont like that brand cause of x"...

I dont like mfc cause they are slow
I dont like c3 cause they suck upwind (unless you use a size 3x bigger)
I dont like tectonics cause I wasted too much money on fins that didnt work
I dont like Select cause some were too stiff

I can go on forever, comments like the above aren't objective at all.
DrJ
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10 May 2011 7:54pm
You are correct, none of you comments above are useful because they do lack objectivity, except the one that says they are to stiff, that information is actually objective.

However comments such as, and by way of example;

I don't like whatever because it is thin and flexible,
I would not buy this again because it was poor quality and and not finished well, are both objective and useful comments because they are based on measurable and objective characteristics. The comments you provided as examples may qualify as 'brand bashing' but the previous comments of other contributors including myself all seem perfectly reasonable.

So if you need a hand to climb down of that high horse, please feel free to ask.
mkseven
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10 May 2011 8:03pm
DrJ said...


So if you need a hand to climb down of that high horse, please feel free to ask.


Sure if you'd like to help
DrJ
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10 May 2011 8:09pm
I will fetch you a ladder.



ikw777
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10 May 2011 8:12pm
I value these opinions cos I'm trying to decide what fin to get for freeriding big sails and boards in the rough waters at the top end of Moreton Bay. If anyone has an opinion I'm all ears.
mkseven
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10 May 2011 8:21pm
Thanks DrJ

Northern Bay = Reddy?

What board, what sail & how heavy are you?
Mark _australia
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10 May 2011 6:23pm
I don't like Select cos they have an uncool name and they have funny outlines and ALL the heads break off them.

(just thought you guys were now being too friendly, so poke poke )
ikw777
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10 May 2011 8:25pm
mkseven said...

Thanks DrJ

Northern Bay = Reddy?

What board, what sail & how heavy are you?


Yep Redcliffe:
Exocet Scross 115 (68cm) with Aerotech Rapidfires 6.5m and 7.5m. 80kg.
mkseven
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10 May 2011 8:41pm
The SRX freerace are quite stiff & for redcliffe personally i'd opt for a softer fin- I would chose an s10 (I think a bit more rake, bit more twist) over a srx freerace from what I have seen of the srx. The freeslam might be alright.

At the end of all that Redcliffe is probably one of those spots I'd choose a nice G10 fin over a select.
ikw777
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10 May 2011 9:12pm
Have to admit I'm not sure I understand the difference. If G10 is softer that would make it more forgiving in the chop I suppose? Or is it just about durability?
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