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You really need to learn how to provide proof. Copying somebody else's bibliography as you have done here demonstrates nothing more than your inability to evaluate the data for yourself.

I orignially posted on the basis of scientific data and how people as yourself make definative statements such as man made global warming is real.

How did you support this statement - well lets see you further state and i quote
There is a greater than 90 per cent likelihood that most of the global warming since the mid 20th century is due to increases in greenhouse gas emissions from human activities." csiro....

The terms liklihood and most do not categorically lay blame to global warming at the feet of mankind - as you previoulsy claimed. This is merely an observation made by an author that has most likely read other research and is discussing the point - it is not a fact.

You further claim that data quantifies this and supply a data set that is completely un-referenced. (Since the Industrial Revolution (about 1750), global carbon dioxide (CO2) concentration has risen 37 per cent, methane 150 per cent and nitrous oxide 18 per cent.) Where is this from?

This data does not support your statement, it merely confirms that CO2 concentration has increased in the atmosphere. Now if you were truly reading you would know that paleoclimatologists argue "In previous interglacial periods, CO2 levels spiked early and then gradually declined until the globe went into another ice age." Nature. online 25/3/2011. so what is to say that this CO2 increase is not a natural cyclic change?

Now based on the other data which you supplied - if it were true, you could have made claim that the empirical evidence supports the theory that the global sea temperature has increased in line with an increase in CO2 concentration in the atmosphere, which is most likely the result of further industrialisation and changes in agricultural practices.

I'm sorry to say that it is actually my belief that peole such as yourself who google research and grad snippets of information, then start spruiking this information as fact without substance are no better than the pollies and media beating their own drum.

Science deals with fact and nothing more - it is people who make the data say what they want. I recall my first statistics lecturerer once telling me that numbers can say anything for anyone. For example in 1975 the sales of vegemite increased in australia, in the same year the level of crime also increased - thus the cause of crime must be because of the consumption of vegemite.

By the way if anyone is interested i would subscribe to Nature - the leading science and medical journal in the world.

Wayne said...

My take on it all is yes, there is climate change occurring, no i don't believe it is mankind influenced (enough to bring on doomsday) and that there are also many "white coats" disputing the mankind influenced climate change theory.

Part of my original post. Bolded for extra clarity to the myopic.
Stop twisting what i said FFS.
read and re read it.
I accept global warming/climate change is happening.
I am NOT YET convinced it is man created/enhanced.
And my point about Einstein and Gallileo seems to have been twisted conveniently too.
AT THE TIME they were the only ones putting their famous theories forwards. The majority of the science world were not on board (were they?).
Or are you saying there were no other scientista around then?
All it takes is 1 to change the way we think about something.
I don't have to know every intricate detail of their scientific carreer to be a valid point. No need to big note yourself if you do.

Chris 249 said...
Unless you have been maintaining objective data, how can you abuse a study that has used objective data?

How dare you push your "objective data" because I REMEMBER IT BEING HOTTER WHEN I WAS A KID BEFORE THERE WERE TAXES AND ALSO THE MILLENIUM BUG *NEVER HAPPENED* AND THEY CAN'T TELL YOU THE WEATHER CORRECTLY FOR TOMORROW AND THE BOATPEOPLE ARE PROBABLY ALL SCIENTISTS FOR MUSLIM PUSHING THEIR LAWS ONTO US TAXING OUR WAY OF LIFE AND NOT DRINKING WITH US... EH, WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU, TOO GOOD TO HAVE A DRINK WITH US ARE YA?

AND ALSO CHEMTRAILS. JUST WATCH THIS VIDEO AND WAKE UP AND DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH ON THE INTERNET IS FOR IDIOTS AND ALL COPY PASTED AND EVERYTHING THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED THAT IS IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE OF ME BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER ANYTHING IMPORTANT NOT HAPPENING WHEN I WASN'T THERE OR WATCHING OR HEARD ABOUT IT.

Oh yeah speaking of storms, this video. PS Red Bull Storm Chase in its entirety is on YouTube if you ever missed it. Not bad.

evlPanda said...

As I see it we are faced with two options:

1) Believe the overwhelming consensus of scientific opinion.
2) Go back to university and study for years to gain some knowledge of the topic.

I haven't got time for #2, and people that have side with #1 anyway.

I guess it's like 99% of windsurfers saying to the general public "It is possible to sail faster than the wind", and then a couple of windsurfers also say "It isn't possible", and then practically half the general public chooses the answer they find easier to understand - it isn't. It's frustrating.

I'm going with the billions of hours of considered research and overwhelming consensus. Sorry
skeptics.

Good analogy and well said.

All I have to say is:

The older I get, the better it was!