pigsarse. Under his bed sheets maybe!

Maybe mid ocean..

DrJ said...

Gidget said...

I think you may find that this is referring to ocean winds, which fundamentally relates to changes in climate....which is really scary stuff. Of course, there are flow on effects at the land/ocean interface, but I'm not a marine geologist, but I am sure it has a lot to do our weather/winds. There are winds hitting the coast, and lots of it, just look at the rain and Yasi/cyclones that have happened in NQ this year! I never knew such weather when I lived in the "dry north."

First of all a marine geologist would be no more qualified than me to have an opinion in regards this article, since a marine 'geologist' would only be an expert in rocks!

Secondly climate change is only scary if you believe the doomsday sayers, it is certainly not 'really' scary if you are at all balanced and weigh up the facts, which suggest it may become a serious problem if nothing is done to kerb green house gas emissions.

Finally, you say you have never known such weather ? How old are you ? and how long did you live in the north? I know records have only been kept for between 100 and 200 years .... which in terms of climatic history is but a single flap of a humming birds wing. There is a reason I believe that the far north is in a region called the 'cyclone belt' I think its because cyclones are to be expected there, but dont know for sure, as for the rain, its been a long time coming , so reasonable to expect a fair amount of it if you ask me, in fact take the rain that has fallen this year divide it over the last 10 years to get a 10 year average and I will wager its about normal.

P.S. Dont take everything so seriously, and if you do try and present a valid argument

we have had less cyclones than predicted, the rain is getting back to the so called normal wet season, the wind is less than it was when I was sailing here 20 years ago.

@ wormy .... Preaching to the converted my friend.

To all those criticising the study, I have to ask how in the world can anyone who claims to be balanced reckon that they know the long-term change in wind patterns, unless they have been maintaining objective data, which I bet no one here has done?

Unless you have been maintaining objective data, how can you abuse a study that has used objective data? Going off memory and visions of yesterday seen through rose-coloured glasses that conjure up mistaken memories of a mythical time when it was windy every day is NOT a sufficient basis to attack someone's professional work.

One of the funny things about having started windsurfing when I was young and a long while ago is that I've seen people say 'it doesn't blow like it used to" since about 1981. It's been BS all the time as far as I can see. It's a case of rose-coloured glasses.

Not only that, I don't think I have ever heard this claim from boat sailers much - overwhelmingly it's from windsurfers where we keep on designing stuff mainly for strong winds.

How many of the people who dispute any claim about wind changes have actually obtained objective data to back them up?

How in the world can anyone logically claim that this study is "a crock" when they have not reviewed the data?

I'm sitting here looking at a book about sailing in Sydney, and it says "some years ago" there was a cycle of regular winds "but that pattern doesn't always seem to work out these days". The thing is that the boat prices in the book are written in pounds, so it was published before 1966 - in other words this complaint "the wind doesn't blow like it used to" is just an old wives tale that some people have been saying for decades.

Sorry, but to abuse someone when you have zero objective data on which to base your slagging is pretty off. I know a bunch of scientists and they are extremely careful when it comes to making claims, although the media often blow it all up.

And even if we get down to war stories, the claim that the wind is dropping doesn't add up - for example, most of the most damaging Sydney-Hobart races have been in the last couple of the race's 6 decades.


PS - one of the authors has has apparently been focussing on "wind generated ocean waves" at places like the the Max Planck Institut for Meteorologie in Germany. The other has a bunch of projects about ocean waves.

To be honest it seems pretty bloody damn arrogant to assume that these guys who have spent much of their lives working in the field don't know what they are talking about. And having talked about the subject with the BoM Extreme Weather guys, I know that they are very, very open to the idea that wave heights and winds are increasing, because there has been evidence of it for some time.

It's funny when I hear people saying stuff like it's not blowing like when I used to be young.

Perhaps its because you were less of a lard arse when you were young?

Only speaking from my own experience ;-)

i just like to add mark that i like big blows

keep it out of the gutter..... i mean 50 knots

23 years!
A long term study hey, I would of thought a long term study in the history of climate change of the earth would be a least 500 years.
Don't worry Dr J. there are more like you and me that don't have our heads stuck up our white jackets.
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/General-Discussion/Chat/Wind-speeds-and-wave-heights-increasing/

DrJ said...

www.abc.net.au/news/2011-03-25/scientists-blown-away-by-rising-wind-speeds/2643526

Wind ... Increase ? what a crock!!

Just read the report, sounded pretty clear what they were saying, with the extremes in wind and waves having become more extreme over the period of the study. A good bit of research providing further insight into how the climate may be changing. Why all the fuss!

we should always listen and trust the white jacket guys,after all they are the one's behind the SF in the tap water.

drink up and you will continue to believe what we are told.

Dr J exactly what size grenade did you use??

To present a fair and balanced argument in the media is unlikely in most cases as each media outlet is driven by its own agenda and its own bottom line.

petermac33 said...

i have caught the white coat guys lying too many times, so i try to look at the evidence myself,before believing anything.

http://www.juicersaustralia.com.au/divine-countertop-water-distiller.shtml

Presumably you look for the evidence up your own ass, because that's where the aliens put it?..

Or do you read a lot of peer reviewed science journals, and avoid the clumsy science journalists?..

My take on it all is yes, there is climate change occurring, no i don't believe it is mankind influenced (enough to bring on doomsday) and that there are also many "white coats" disputing the mankind influenced climate change theory.
If we always believed men of science, the world would still be flat and the Earth was the center of the universe.
Some things get disputed and disproved from mainstream thinking.
We'll have an iceage if 3 or 4 volcanoes erupt massively at the same time.

Wayne said...


If we always believed men of science, the world would still be flat and the Earth was the center of the universe.

That is the single dumbest thing I've heard since a God Botherer knocked on my door 3 ago..

Dispute it all you will but "the men in the know" said the earth was flat etc.
Not dumb at all thanks barn. You may be a sheep and accept the common thinking.
Your choice.
Only takes 1 person to disprove/prove something.
Heard of Einstein ?