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evlPanda

NSW

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evlPanda

NSW, 9207 posts

12 Jun 2012 3:28pm

K Dog said...

sboardcrazy said...

I think Cribby means that if you oversheet you offer less sail/edge of the sail to the wind going dead downwind . This means it doesn't catch much wind making it weightless and easy to flip. If you don't and are entering really powered up as he suggests the power in the rig can make the entry uncontrollable - get catapulted board bounce everywhere ( although thats more about not enough mastfoot pressure) etc..
This is the bit I am working on. Oversheeting , letting the rig pull me forwards ( eek

..still not getting that one! & tipping it into the turn..I've got to lift some handweights and build my arms up as I must have been doing it right last sail with my 5.8m ( biggish sail for me) and strained my arm muscles.

I haven't been able to do much with my arm all week

and I'm not sure how its going to go sailing tomorrow but hopefully it will blow so I can use a 5 or 4m

which won't need as much effort to over sheet.

So many things to remember!!!

I think there's a lot to be said about forgetting all of ~~this~~ the previous page and just doing it.

Don't learn, rediscover. Somebody had to be the first to do it, nobody taught them. Be like them. Same said for any sport. It's muscle memory, not intellect.

edit: to quote Bjorn "Try some Tai Chi". Ain't no thinking in Tai Chi.

K Dog

VIC

1847 posts

K Dog

VIC, 1847 posts

12 Jun 2012 3:42pm

Hear what you are saying and agree to being practical. But it does help me to understand the mechanics......conscious incompetence > Conscious competence > Unconscious competence as they say :/

The simple point from Cribbs about putting my hand right back on the boom in a gybe gave me more progress in one session than fluffing around for months.... I worked out how to make a sharp slam gybe with it right back there

oldie

VIC

356 posts

oldie

VIC, 356 posts

12 Jun 2012 3:51pm

Yep, start again.
"I think Cribby means that if you oversheet you offer less sail/edge of the sail to the wind going dead downwind . This means it doesn't catch much wind making it weightless and easy to flip."
Sorry, not so. Think of doubling your speed as you go deeper downwind, enter the weightless zone.

K Dog

VIC

1847 posts

K Dog

VIC, 1847 posts

12 Jun 2012 4:00pm

oldie said...

Yep, start again.
"I think Cribby means that if you oversheet you offer less sail/edge of the sail to the wind going dead downwind . This means it doesn't catch much wind making it weightless and easy to flip."
Sorry, not so. Think of doubling your speed as you go deeper downwind, enter the weightless zone.

That's what I was thinking.... you are going faster than the wind, if everything is going faster, no resistance, can can flip without forward or back pressure till the speed slows to be equal or less than the wind, and can power back up (post flip)....

RE: Tai Chi - I used to practice Yang Cheng Fu Tai Chi (Taiji) (very relaxing)...... but with 108 postures to recall, pictures help to remember....... and for someone to watch you and correct you........ lucky I have a few windsurfing mates who notice my late rig flips

oldie

VIC

356 posts

oldie

VIC, 356 posts

12 Jun 2012 4:21pm

K Dog said...

That's what I was thinking.... you are going faster than the wind, if everything is going faster, no resistance, can can flip without forward or back pressure till the speed slows to be equal or less than the wind, and can power back up (post flip)....

RE: Tai Chi - I used to practice Yang Cheng Fu Tai Chi (Taiji) (very relaxing)...... but with 108 postures to recall, picture help to remember....... and for someone to watch you and correct you........ lucky I have a few windsurfing mates who notice my late rig flips

But it gets harder- as you continue to turn using Ginger Pom's hip pressure you are coming cross-wind again and the zone is gone. This is what made the sail float back up.
Tai Chi sounds nice. My son is trying for black belt this week in a different genre.
He sys "Work through the pain! "
I say "If it hurts, don't do it"

K Dog

VIC

1847 posts

K Dog

VIC, 1847 posts

12 Jun 2012 4:33pm

That makes sense - pushing sail back around as the board is turned cross wind.

I won't be doing the "look no hands mum" style for a little while I think. Love to watch it though, very impressive.

Every now and then Cribbs does them where you see his hands have barely touched the rig as it turns and then does the missing link on the way back out..... all looks so effortless....

Lol agree on the pain front, injuries take long to heal as you get older, give me relaxing Tai Chi over Kyokushin any day.

evlPanda

NSW

9207 posts

evlPanda

NSW, 9207 posts

12 Jun 2012 6:04pm

K Dog said...

I found myself going fast enough that I couldn't flip as I was being constantly back-winded, you have to consider apparent wind. Once I made the turns more like a ...erm, one side of a hexagon, things went very, very well.

Now for gybing the other way

boardboy

QLD

554 posts

boardboy

QLD, 554 posts

12 Jun 2012 6:34pm

carve gybes are all about the Fin! PM me and i will sell you Fin which are very experienced at perfrect carve gybes. Genuine reason for sale! I dont gybe anymore, its all about the carve tack for me, totally different fin required

and dont 'Guy Cribb says this and that about carve tack', Guy Cribb cant carve tack to save his nanna from bigfoot.

PM me to buy special 6 page lift out on carve tack technique, comes with genuine hand sketched pics

oldie

VIC

356 posts

oldie

VIC, 356 posts

13 Jun 2012 2:59am

Cribbie is the man for tuning up for better performance, but I like the style of Peter Hart as a teacher of basics.
Lo andbehold, here he is in the latest 'Windsurf" mag as a snow instructor with DVDs and all.

ginger pom said...

You carve with your hips not your feet...

Freeride skiing and snowboarding (before they were queered by the gorilla and duck stance respectively), required a "comma" position (hips toward the inside of the turn) and bent knees to set a carving edge and absorb terrain variations.

Maybe Peter will permit me to quote him:
"To control tje forces that build up during the turn, you have to make yourself the centre of the turning circle. ...the hips have to make a lateral movement...to end up on the inside. ... So many flatten out downwind from not... projecting to the inside early enough."

Carving is efficient, skidding is not. "you've paid for the whole edge, you might as well use it"

Thus endeth the sermon. And so to bed.

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