Kitesurfers = 65 dead. Windsurfing fatalities?

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evlPanda
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1 Feb 2008 5:17pm

I tend to work of the principle of trying to avoid a collision with something which is not going to feel me as it goes over the top of me.

There lots of people in the afterlife muttering to themselves "But I had the right of way"


I just feel a bit silly now thinking about how many of them I gave the "you're a ****er" air gesture to as they came past me, when they were actually in the clear. ... or do I?

Yes, always avoid big, dumb things - drunk football players, large mobs, sharks, general consensus, channel 10, rocks etc.

knot board
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1 Feb 2008 4:25pm
Gestalt said...

this is why so many kitesurfers die.

some say stupid others say foolish!




See what happens when you combine a stink boater and kite boarder, the results make Britney Spears look intelligent.
NotWal
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1 Feb 2008 8:56pm


Yes, always avoid big, dumb things - drunk football players, large mobs, sharks, general consensus, channel 10, rocks etc.



"general consensus" *he he*. Love it. So much for democracy...

yoyo
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1 Feb 2008 11:09pm
Posted 31/01/2008, 6:47 pm
yoyo said...


Still it's a lot safer than going shopping in Bagdad.



ABC NEWS Just in 6.45pm 1 Feb 2008

"Powerful bombs have torn through two busy Baghdad markets, killing at least 43 people and wounding 85 ..."

As I said.............

sandman
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2 Feb 2008 12:05am
Kiter talking here, ex windsurfer. I get out on the water about 3 times more than I did while windsurfing having now taken up kiting (ligher winds, still jumping around).

If it was the case that every kiter had twice as much water time than every winsurfer (hypothetically), then the accident per waterman ratio would be higher for kiting obviouslly.
Speaking from personal experience here, no proof at all otherwise, but surelly there is some basis to this arguement

James
Wet Willy
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2 Feb 2008 2:20am
Statistics don't mean anything really, as far as the actual danger of a sport (or, as in the case of windsurfing, a religion) is concerned. It depends on individual behaviour. If you willingly (or unknowingly) do unsafe things, such as: not keeping gear in good condition, going out alone, tackling locations and conditions that are way beyond your level, etc, and generally neglecting safety basics, then you have a good chance of becoming a statistic. On the other hand, if you only do speed runs (but not too fast) at the Train on weekday afternoons, you will probably live to a ripe old age.
jp747
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2 Feb 2008 12:39am
sandman said...

Kiter talking here, ex windsurfer. I get out on the water about 3 times more than I did while windsurfing having now taken up kiting (ligher winds, still jumping around).

If it was the case that every kiter had twice as much water time than every winsurfer (hypothetically), then the accident per waterman ratio would be higher for kiting obviouslly.
Speaking from personal experience here, no proof at all otherwise, but surelly there is some basis to this arguement

James


sounds logical sandman, i've seen kiters stay longer in the water than windsurfers..with experience i tend to think the only part that's hard on the body is the calves, knees and basically lower body, while in windsurfing it's more the whole unless i guess you do wild really sick maneuvers while kiting..on my part if i sail for 2 hours it takes a longtime to get to that pt. and by days end am on the sofa not moving a muscle..in kiting time flies by so fast since there isn't really any long runs and the kite lifts part of the weight ..so in theory you don't feel anything kiting on the first few hours but when the gust hits suddenly outta nowhere your knees are gumby rubber and most likely lose control and stumble..just my opinion
mrrt
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2 Feb 2008 1:52am
jp747 said...

sandman said...

Kiter talking here, ex windsurfer. I get out on the water about 3 times more than I did while windsurfing having now taken up kiting (ligher winds, still jumping around).
James


sounds logical sandman, i've seen kiters stay longer in the water than windsurfers..with experience i tend to think the only part that's hard on the body is the calves, knees and basically lower body, while in windsurfing it's more the whole unless i guess you do wild really sick maneuvers while kiting..on my part if i sail for 2 hours it takes a longtime to get to that pt. and by days end am on the sofa not moving a muscle..in kiting time flies by so fast since there isn't really any long runs and the kite lifts part of the weight ..so in theory you don't feel anything kiting on the first few hours but when the gust hits suddenly outta nowhere your knees are gumby rubber and most likely lose control and stumble..just my opinion


That's odd - I've mostly found the opposite to be the case. With windsurfing, a very large proportion of the power of the wind goes from the sail straight down the mast and into the board. When you're nicely balanced, you can virtually hang from the boom in your harness with your legs and arms just stabilising you and not taking much strain.

In comparison, because the entire power of the wind goes from the kite, down the lines, into your harness and then through your legs to the board, I've found kiters tire sooner. However, perhaps this is just because I go out in stronger winds (living here in WA) when you need to edge a kiteboard far more.

At Woodies I've had the distinct experience of watching kiters come down, rig up, go out and then come back in again an hour later (or less) while I'm still in the middle of a good 4-5hr windsurfing session.

Obviously there will be very toned kiters who have great calf strength (perhaps from years of water skiing and wake boarding?) who are able to endure longer but for any given person I reckon they could last longer on a windsurfer (at least in stronger winds).

Although I haven't kitesurfed for anything like as long as I've windsurfed, I usually found a lot more stress going through my legs kiting - quite similar to going out for a single-ski or wakeboard and only managing a couple of circuits down at Deep Water Point.

However, when I'm chop hopping or jumping my windsurfer, I definitely tire at a faster rate!



However, this is only my personal experience as well, so YMMV.

-Mart
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2 Feb 2008 1:53am
If i had a tank or some bombs i'd kill more.
Mark _australia
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2 Feb 2008 2:13am
65 down, 6500 to go

jaxstar
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2 Feb 2008 6:29am
well i have a question, since im thinking about starting kitesurfing next summer... if youre a real woose on a kite and arent trying anything fancy, is it still just as possible for something crazy to happen to you? i get it that it has alot to do with how experienced you are and how well you understand your gear, how to use it, and the conditions... but how often does it happen that a good kiter just gets ****ed up? cos to be honest im **** scared of kiting, the power of the wind intimidates me and since i nearly drowned as a kid im scared of deep ocean water... yeah kiting is REALLY the sport for me :P but im aiming to overcome those fears lol but im planning on getting lessons (at least 3 2 hour sessions) cos i really dont wanna **** around with the power of those things... but just curious how much of this is outta my hands?!
Haircut
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2 Feb 2008 11:14am
don't worry Jaxstar, bow kites have removed about 80% of the danger and anyone can learn to kite now. They are like the wide beginner windsurfing boards of the kiting world. However; even if you weigh under 70kg as I do, and go out on 12m kite in 10 knots and hope to plane effortlessly, you'll probably be disappointed. There's not much difference in wind needed between getting planing on my freestyle gear with 5.8m sail or the 12m kite. I was originally hoping to be able to fill in the 8 - 13 knot gap by kiting. It appears I'd need a 14 -16m kite to do that and everyone tells me kiting becomes pretty lame with kites bigger than 12m
Spotty
Spotty
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2 Feb 2008 5:35pm
Ironic that in that YouTube vid that the guy drives off in an old hurst, he was lucky not to have been going straight to the cemetry in it.

Also in brief an experienced friend kiting at Inverloch a couple years ago had just launched his kite and had it in the neutral posn' above when a freak gust/uplift hit the kite.
He was picked up off the beach and launched some distance into a picnic bench and then again into parked cars. Mates rushed to his aid, no breathing and turning blue, CPR was started and kept him going till the Ambos arrived and took him to Wonthaggi Hospital where still critical and unconcious he had develop bleeding on the brain. He was then air lifted to the Alfred. With rehab he had to almost learn to walk again and improve his motor skills while nursing a hole in his skull where bleeding was relieved. He his fairly ok now but may never be 100%, but has turned back to windsurfing. Very lucky guy for himself and wife/kids.

Though windsurfing does have its dangers too but not as bad as kiting in general, heres me doing a move I've called the 'Crusifier'. Do a big jump, bail and make like a cross by landing on a mast tip, preferably your own.
hardpole
hardpole
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2 Feb 2008 4:49pm
You know the joke - fill in the punch line for yourself

What do you call 100 lawyers chained together at the bottom of the ocean.

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Saw a kiter without a board at least 1 km offshore yesterday, when my mate (a kiter) asked him if he was ok he said "yeah - just body dragging" - number 66 in waiting I think.


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waveslave
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WA
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2 Feb 2008 7:44pm
Getting back to the stats:

Did you hear about the poleboarder who died waiting for 25knots ?
lol.
Richiefish
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2 Feb 2008 10:44pm
so you're saying the wake board comes right after the funeral board????
merman
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3 Feb 2008 12:10am
cant we all just get along ??? :PP



NotWal
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3 Feb 2008 12:26am
Haircut said...

... However; even if you weigh under 70kg as I do, and go out on 12m kite in 10 knots and hope to plane effortlessly, you'll probably be disappointed. There's not much difference in wind needed between getting planing on my freestyle gear with 5.8m sail or the 12m kite. I was originally hoping to be able to fill in the 8 - 13 knot gap by kiting. It appears I'd need a 14 -16m kite to do that and everyone tells me kiting becomes pretty lame with kites bigger than 12m


Interesting. So light wind kiting is no better than light wind windsurfing, both being lame. I say that because in my experience planing with big rigs is fun for about 15 to 30 minutes and then its time to go fishing. I do get some fun out of light wind freestyle though. I guess formula racing would add something to light wind fun. I don't suppose there's a formula class for kites though.

Chris 249
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3 Feb 2008 1:44am
merman said...

cant we all just get along ??? :PP






We'll get along fine - when some people stop taking up 10 times the water space and filling it with tight skinny lines that can slice other people apart.
merman
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3 Feb 2008 12:59am
Chris 249

Yeah they call me the Ginsu, ya gotta watch out for me


Wet Willy
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3 Feb 2008 2:18am
NotWal said...

Haircut said...

... However; even if you weigh under 70kg as I do, and go out on 12m kite in 10 knots and hope to plane effortlessly, you'll probably be disappointed. There's not much difference in wind needed between getting planing on my freestyle gear with 5.8m sail or the 12m kite. I was originally hoping to be able to fill in the 8 - 13 knot gap by kiting. It appears I'd need a 14 -16m kite to do that and everyone tells me kiting becomes pretty lame with kites bigger than 12m


Interesting. So light wind kiting is no better than light wind windsurfing, both being lame. I say that because in my experience planing with big rigs is fun for about 15 to 30 minutes and then its time to go fishing. I do get some fun out of light wind freestyle though. I guess formula racing would add something to light wind fun. I don't suppose there's a formula class for kites though.





Well, I dunno about that...there's a guy here with I think a 16m kite. He goes out on the lightest days, cruises around for ages, and he's clearly having more fun than anyone who's stuck on the beach.

But give me a 12m sail and a 1m wide, 180 litre board with a 70cm fin any day!!
Richiefish
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3 Feb 2008 11:12am
merman said...

cant we all just get along ??? :PP






as you can see in this pic the kiters at Manly sometimes sail upwind from RQ to Darling point to visit.But only when its not crowded. They're good blokes.(mostly ex windsurfers)
evlPanda
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3 Feb 2008 2:11pm
NotWal said...

Haircut said...

... However; even if you weigh under 70kg as I do, and go out on 12m kite in 10 knots and hope to plane effortlessly, you'll probably be disappointed. There's not much difference in wind needed between getting planing on my freestyle gear with 5.8m sail or the 12m kite. I was originally hoping to be able to fill in the 8 - 13 knot gap by kiting. It appears I'd need a 14 -16m kite to do that and everyone tells me kiting becomes pretty lame with kites bigger than 12m


Interesting. So light wind kiting is no better than light wind windsurfing, both being lame. I say that because in my experience planing with big rigs is fun for about 15 to 30 minutes and then its time to go fishing. I do get some fun out of light wind freestyle though. I guess formula racing would add something to light wind fun. I don't suppose there's a formula class for kites though.




Foils? There was a forum a bit back that went into the benefits of hydrofoils, I still can't see them breaking top-end speed records, call it gut instinct planing just seems faster than foiling, but in light winds I think they are going to have a big edge.

Was watching a hydrofoil moth getting around at what looked like 20knots in a 10knot breeze a few month back. Awesome stuff. A windsurfer or kiter would also have the advantage of being able to pump the board in lulls. Interesting to watch over the coming years.
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