Sandman45 good on ya for coming forward. I'm surprised and confused by the whole situation. Jamie is an experienced sailor and an easy going individual, I spent 4 weeks with him in Maui and he's a regular at our local spot in Sydney and I've never seen this sort of behaviour from him.

Apologies for my previous 'emotional' outburst, it was more directed at this type of behaviour. I'll shut up and get the story first hand, hope you guys can work it out.

It says something (yet again) about the quality of journalism that when we have two contradictory stories like this, one in a bunch of newspapers and one a first person account, that we easily dismiss the press report as sensation mongering lies.

Maybe he rides Angulo boards Nobbie

I can only hope this is a case of Jamie having never learnt the basic rules of wavesailing, or an accident, rather than an act of aggression. I hope he gets well soon and plays it safer next time.

I suppose it's possible to have 23 years experience but not know some basic rules - right?

... really bad news as he is a good mate of mine. I got a cryptic text from him saying he came home in crutches... no details of the accident.

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... on a positive note... nice photo in the paper. I took that of Jamie a couple of years back down at Botany Bay in a SSW storm... I think it was about 10 degrees celcius that day and blowing 50 knts solid.

stehsegler said...

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... well let me tell you one thing... drop in or not if I would have been there who ever ran him over would have to make an appointment with a good orthodontist. As a matter of fact if I find out who the a..hole was I'll be paying them a visit next I am over in WA... and trust me that won't be just to have a bit of a chat...

When you bottom turn, often you can't see somebody downwind of you. That is why you shouldn't drop in!!!
Did you read any of the above thread.... pretty much everyone agrees Jamie was in the wrong, people who were THERE said he was in the wrong, and you come and make threats. Get over it.

Making threats because one of your mates was dropping in is very non style. Pull your head in.

Hmmmm, sounds like Jamie and his NSW mates are a bunch of slalom sailors to me (Botany Bay indeed). Best stay out of the waves boys.

My Mate witnessed it. and believed jamie you were down wind cutting up wind , The wind was 15 knots kicking in cross on in the arvo,the (wind took a while to swing that day), with an incoming tide as was the new 3m swell and at an angle that made bottom turning 50 /50 early.

The incident occured on basically a knee high wave on the inside ,when the offender crancked one last bottom turn,which was a waste of effort as i was told and not warrented ,but you didnt see it coming or acknowloge his presents or rightfully believed there was nothing left in the wave or the need for this manouver ............its sounds like you have some justification to feel right ??????

quote........... IT WAS A JOKE there was an incident ?

JUST For the record no locals hit men were involved, this was an incident between to travelers high on thier own ability TOURISTS ......

But
If you drive a car and sit in the blind spot or dont have an awarness ,you will get cut off eventually ??????????
If you tailgate you know you may go up the ass end .

Jamie sorry you had a collision(for what ever reason.??????)on the water and recieved a nasty injury. Speedy recovery
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Jamie many WDSURFERS /SURFERS/KITES SURFERS HAVE CRASHED into each other before.........GET OVER IT ...........YOU really did a job on the Geraldton community with the Geraldton Paper front page and public notice section ............for that Grow up .


We wait for you to run to the cops ) and get the law involved.(YOUR NECKED)

Just for the record ..............2 broken feet........2 broken legs this summer in Geraldton. 3 LOCALS ,KYLE FROM PERTH whom i helped,plus pleanty of other twists pains, and strains injuries im shore . Get better soon doods.

Your not allown ,having your summer and income terninated.

There IS not a session of sailing where some one dosnt come off the water with a Close Incounter Of The Third kind

Kev LENARD AND FAMILY good to see you wacking sunset last night ,ABSOLUTLY EPIC 3 meter swell and cranking cross offffffffffffffffff shores
Wacked 10 pluss heaving 50m long walls after the SUN SET

One last one ........... Yes we living it in Geraldton yet You keep dreaming it

Happy drinking at your local

stehsegler said...

Mark _australia said...
When you bottom turn, often you can't see somebody downwind of you. That is why you shouldn't drop in!!!

if you can't see down the wave while you bottom turn I would say your bottom turning style is pretty non style...

... plus, if you can't see down the line how do you know how to line up for the next lip.

I was talking about at times during a bottom turn....... when you first start the turn the luff of your sail obstructs some of your view. If a guy gybes right then (downwind of you), you will not see him and probably hit him.
If you see somebody heading out downwind of you just as you initiate a bottom turn, you'd expect them to keep heading out, not gybe onto the wave right in that little blind spot..... the blind spot only exists for half a second but that is long enough for an idiot to drop in there and out themself in harm's way....

Forum users

I would again ask that people respect the rules of the forum especially in regard to threats and seek the facts before posting. The papers made the most of the accident that, was unintentional.

I am sorry about Jamie’s situation and injuries and wish him a speedy recovery. I would like to contact Jamie personally to express this if someone could private mail his contact details. Alternatively he can call the number I posted (which is not prepaid).

Sandman45

stehsegler said...

Mark _australia said...
If you see somebody heading out downwind of you just as you initiate a bottom turn, you'd expect them to keep heading out, not gybe onto the wave right in that little blind spot..... the blind spot only exists for half a second but that is long enough for an idiot to drop in there and out themself in harm's way....

So what do you do if the person downwind doesn't make it over the wave because they are underpowered.

The reason I am saying this is unrelated to this incident. I have noticed this countless number of times in places like Gnaraloo were people start bottom turning in very similar situations while someone is trying to sail out over the break.

Anyway, after discovering so many other great spots on the WA coast I no longer rate Gerladton that highly anyway... hence usually like to go to places with no people around.

What a silly question. Going out has right of way.... if you are coming in on the best wave of the day and see a guy grovelling out downwidn of you, then you give up that wave ride to let him go out.
BUT if he is planing out and gybes onto that wave downwind of you he is in the wrong.
That is where the Ho'okipa style rules make sense: (1) going out has right of way but if you're planing out you cannot stuff up somebody elses wave ride by getting in his way or gybing onto his wave. IE going out has right of way but if you have a JUMP opportunity you give way to the rider coming in.

In my above post I'm talking about where you see a guy planing out so you make your drop and start a bottom turn, only to find he has gybed onto your wave right where you will make ur top turn.
If Jamie was grovelling out he would not have gybed onto the wave as it would not have peaked up downwind of Sandman yet.
Either way there is no reason to gybe onto a wave that already has somebody riding it. If you chicken gybe you do it 30m in front of the wave where the rider can see you. If planing out you keep going out as when you are just crossing the wave there is a second where the rider can't see you behind his luff panel.

That "second" is enough to cause problems if you don't follow the rules.

Quote from above.

Q1 So what do you do if the person downwind doesn't make it over the wave because they are underpowered


Q2Anyway, after discovering so many other great spots on the WA coast I no longer rate Gerladton that highly anyway... hence usually like to go to places with no people around.

A1 You wave ride around them
A2 Good Enough said Well not really s

You remind me of DUMB AND DUMBER.......................(In house joke)

westhammer said...

Guilty or not Guilty.Bring on the jury,The boyz were in a dog fight and sandy got a bit closer than he thought, jamie was on full juice and took out a fast jibe on to sandys wave ,thinking sandy would not make that section,unfortunatly sandy was even more detergermand after spotting in his sights a intruder on hs quite rightly so wave,.Out of jamiz right eye came Shock and it was all over..accidents hurt but if you come out in one piece and live to live another day then all is well,and a experiance like this matures ones self to a higher level. Passive and aggression are the key elements of our sport...so stand up force and file in..

This appears to be a slightly different account of the event as reported in previous posts.

Boys were in a dog fight...Sandy got a bit closer than he thought.....more detergemand after spotting an intruder on his quite rightly so wave.

Sounds like Sandy was trying to give him a warning scare / charge and misjudged.

Whatever the circumstances this is BS bravado behaviour. A sailor (all up weight 80-90k) traveling at 20 knots is a lethal object. Someone could have easily been killed, all over a wave. That's just so dumb, irrespective of a rule being broken
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Would you do this on the road...Someone cuts in front of you without using a blinker? So you charge at him to give him a scare and he happens to have to stop for whatever reason, bang..maybe someone dies. Dumb dumb dumb...

locals rule ......undiscovered spots are kewl!