Select to expand quoteGrantmac said..Sandman1221 said..aeroegnr said..Sandman1221 said..PhilUK said..Sandman1221 said..
bel29 have you ever watched WindsurfTV, or PWATV?, the guy who does that show also races, he had a video on his first attempts to learn a foiling gybe, took him 2days to get it on an AFS foil and a regular slalom board, and was doing nice smooth foiling gybes.
Ben Proffitt, ex PWA wave sailor and pretty adaptable to any form of sailing.
Simmer 126l Monster freerace, 82cm wide, 230cm long.
Now on 128l, 213cm, 80cm Simmer windfoil board www.simmerstyle.com/boards/product.aspx?modelNr=10351
I think a Blackbird SL foil www.simmerstyle.com/foils/product.aspx?modelNr=10356
Thanks PhilUK, Yeah, that 1st video is the one I was talking about with Ben on a slalom board.
In second video with 210 cm foil board he does a tack and the nose goes under on flat water with him a lightweight rider, that is why I do not want a short foil board, try doing that in 2-3' waves. Bolt at 243 cm is long enough to keep me on top of the water in a tack. When I go out into the bay I tack to get out into the middle quickly where the wind is, then out there in middle tack or gybe, and then coming back to shore gybe all the way back.
When I demoed a foil board that is what happened to me on flat water, nose went under very easily.
The foilx 145 is only 193cm and I can tack that in flat water no problem and reliably enough in 1-2ft bay swells when I time it, but why not just jibe or helitack? I'm not that good and I don't bother trying to regular tack my smaller wave boards. I mean you seem really set on this board for an issue that could be dealt with by different techniques.
Cause I want to get out to the middle of the bay asap, lose ground on every gybe compared to a tack going out to the middle of the bay. And while I try to go upwind as much as possible, in really light winds crosswind to a little downwind is all I get so would again loose ground with a gybe versus a tack.
Oh, and I have up to 1-1/4 mile runs, like to take a break with the gusty conditions we get, easier to take a break and then resume by just completing the tack.
This is because you are an inefficient sailor with a poorly balanced foil on a board which isn't suitable. You have an opportunity to fix two of those things with a new board and are intent on replicating the same poor setup.
Grant, you just like to hear yourself talk critically of someone else, is that what your wife does to you?
I remember a big Texan where I worked, always mouthing off and bullying other guys at work, told off color jokes too. So he finally leaves and we had a going away get together at a local pub, just me and one other guy from work showed up, he came with his rather tall wife. He made one off color joke and his wife gave him a look that made him crawl into his shell, looked a foot shorter instantly! Poor guy, I feel for you Grant, really I do.
Cool story bro, won't fix the setup that is keeping you from learning the basics of foiling but whatever. Maybe try a support group for validation instead of a technical forum.
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Cool story bro, won't fix the setup that is keeping you from learning the basics of foiling but whatever. Maybe try a support group for validation instead of a technical forum.
Oh, I think I figured out your problem bro, sorry to hear, life does not always turn out they way you expect it to. But self awareness is the key, and you clearly lack that, bummer.
You know how I know?, because the title of the post asks if anyone has used the X-Fire 129 for foiling! You have not, but want to comment anyway, so you have a need to make disparaging comments towards someone, and that just tells me someone is doing the same to you, and since you are not capable of dealing with that person, you vent here. Oh well, back into the doghouse you go, good bye
How much time do you have left on this Earth to waste it on "making things work"? Dedicated boards exist for a reason. THEY ARE BETTER.
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How much time do you have left on this Earth to waste it on "making things work"? Dedicated boards exist for a reason. THEY ARE BETTER.
Ah, so again, posted question was, have you used an X-Fire 129 board for foiling?
Dedicated boards exists for people who want them!, I have been on 3 of them, not for me.
But my Bolt 135 has just enough flotation for me, so between 6 L less "stated" volume and 5 cm increase in width, thinking X-Fire 129 may not be any better, and could be harder to get up in light winds, than Bolt 135. Plus the X-Fire I am looking at has a really ugly original paint job, deck is just patchy white and grey with no designs, what was RRD thinking?
Here is nearly your answer, I was using a RRD 122 X-Fire in half of this video (which is close enough to the X-fire 129)
I had learned to wind foil on that board with a tuttle box & NP Pinkie foil, then I had a local guy install twin tracks and inboard foot strap positions. I then used a Naish foil for a while. Having the twin tracks is essential for all foiling unless you're into racing and that's a whole other thing.
That was 4+ years ago and have tested dozens of set ups and although the X-fire got be from point A to point B I wouldn't go back to that shape and original foot strap positions etc.
The extra rocker and volume in front of the mast track creates too much drag and once you dial in a board like the Slingshot Wizard with twin tracks its night and day difference. Also in this video I had a Naish Hover 142, that board was also waaaaay to long and had unnecessary swing weight now that I look back, but it did have twin tracks and it served a purpose until the short and less swing weight boards arrived on the scene.
Thank you CoreAS!, boy, that is a very professional video, yes the 122 is pretty close to the 129. Starting to like my Goya Bolt 135 even more!
The most common crash I see with experienced foilers, even the pros, on short foil specific boards is they catch the nose on a wave/swell, that does not happen with me and my slalom board.
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Thank you CoreAS!, boy, that is a very professional video, yes the 122 is pretty close to the 129. Starting to like my Goya Bolt 135 even more!
The most common crash I see with experienced foilers, even the pros, on short foil specific boards is they catch the nose on a wave/swell, that does not happen with me and my slalom board.
The pros are crashing because they are riding harder in much bigger conditions than you.
If they rode their equipment how you ride yours they wouldn't be crashing. They also wouldn't be carving swell, doing 360s or even gybing.
See Grant, you are proving my point about you, I can not see your posts anymore because I hid you, but you still post! All I can see is that you did post on the main page. But if it makes you feel better, well go ahead, anything that helps relive the stress of what you have to deal with at home.
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....The most common crash I see with experienced foilers, even the pros, on short foil specific boards is they catch the nose on a wave/swell, that does not happen with me and my slalom board.
I think of myself as a somewhat experienced foiler. Catching a nose is not a "thing" even with a 195cm board. I do foil out on a swell about once every four-five sessions in big (25kt) conditions and take a nose dive. My slalom board I used prior did the same thing except it gave my mast a much bigger target when everything went sideways.
210cm board at 30 kts
But go ahead and get the RRD - that's the answer you are looking for. The wood sandwich construction is relatively easy to repair as I've helped my friend with one repair it a couple of times. 
Select to expand quotePaducah said..Sandman1221 said..
....The most common crash I see with experienced foilers, even the pros, on short foil specific boards is they catch the nose on a wave/swell, that does not happen with me and my slalom board.
I think of myself as a somewhat experienced foiler. Catching a nose is not a "thing" even with a 195cm board. I do foil out on a swell about once every four-five sessions in big (25kt) conditions and take a nose dive. My slalom board I used prior did the same thing except it gave my mast a much bigger target when everything went sideways.
210cm board at 30 kts
But go ahead and get the RRD - that's the answer you are looking for. The wood sandwich construction is relatively easy to repair as I've helped my friend with one repair it a couple of times.
Haha yeah I was thinking about that touchdown of Goyard there. The shape of the foil boards helped a LOT more than touch downs with the Blast, and at higher speeds. The IQFoil board has survived some crazy touches, and the foilx so far bounces off the water pretty well.
But seeing that makes me wonder about a more freerace style board but I don't think I need it quite yet.
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Ah, do not want a foil board, have demoed them, too short, wide, bulky, and heavy!
Gotta ask. Why would a foil board be heavier ?
14 lbs (SS114 V3) seems pretty light to me.
Select to expand quoteaeroegnr said..... But seeing that makes me wonder about a more freerace style board but I don't think I need it quite yet.
Need? When did that become important? 
Me shopping for gear. I don't need anything.
Select to expand quotePaducah said..aeroegnr said..... But seeing that makes me wonder about a more freerace style board but I don't think I need it quite yet.
Need? When did that become important?
Me shopping for gear. I don't need anything.
Finally, someone is talking reasonably, Thanks Paducah!
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Surely amongst the most ludicrous threads on the forum. Can't stay away from it 
Yeah but we all know how it is - you see a bargain on Craigslist and try to talk yourself into believing it's not a bargain for a reason.
Seriously, Sandman - Sandy Point is adding Tabou to their lineup and the Fifty sounds like exactly what you're looking for -50/50 foil/fin, light and longish. It'll cost three times what the RRD would but I bet you'll be much happier with it.
Select to expand quoteAwalkspoiled said..bel29 said..
Surely amongst the most ludicrous threads on the forum. Can't stay away from it
Yeah but we all know how it is - you see a bargain on Craigslist and try to talk yourself into believing it's not a bargain for a reason.
Seriously, Sandman - Sandy Point is adding Tabou to their lineup and the Fifty sounds like exactly what you're looking for -50/50 foil/fin, light and longish. It'll cost three times what the RRD would but I bet you'll be much happier with it.
You are a mind reader!, will check out the Tabou, thanks AWS! Yeah, Tabou 50 has a flat deck, from what I see. Was not looking forward to getting another board with a concave deck like my Bolt, same for the X-Fire.
Sandman and Grantmac going at each other. It was bound to happen.
Where's LeeD when we need him?
Select to expand quotesegler said..
Sandman and Grantmac going at each other. It was bound to happen.
Where's LeeD when we need him?
Grantmac?, where, I do not see any posts by Grantmac!
Select to expand quotebel29 said..
Surely amongst the most ludicrous threads on the forum. Can't stay away from it
This might come in handy www.amazon.com/Gourmet-White-Popped-Popcorn-Cups/dp/B009I463JQ/
Select to expand quotewindfred said..
Things that claim to do everything usually excel at nothing.
Do you mean to say, "Jack of All Trades, master of none?"
Select to expand quotesegler said..
This thread has four posts by Grantmac: 6, 7, 8, and 10 December.
Sandman first attacks then blocks anyone who doesn't agree with him. Then eventually unblocks them until the cycle repeats.
It's the circle of seabreeze really, a tale as old as time.
Select to expand quotesegler said..
This thread has four posts by Grantmac: 6, 7, 8, and 10 December.
Ah, do not mind them, just venting to release stress in their life.
