Here's one to stir things up a bit.

As a full blown trysexual surfer read: Ride anything and everything I wanted to ask you guys this question.

My question is again, I notice that heaps of you guys are down on SUP riders. Is it just the kooks or SUP in general? What if a guy knows his way around the line up and can do a few turns on them??

Also as someone that would consider themselves a shortboarder exclusively is it just cool amongst the hipsters to hate them? To me a lot of guys I know as well hang it on SUP riders but kind of have no explanation why... Maybe 'cos there all gay' or something.....

So why is it?


P.S Don't hold back, it's the shortboard room...

Because 90 percent of them (yep, made that number up) are middle aged, semi-overweight, kook weekend warriors with no co-ordination or skill and no idea of surf etiquette and have no place in the line out on such a large, heavy and dangerous watercraft.

As always, the many spoiled it for the few.

I wouldn't say it's cool to hate SUP...just natural.

subasurf said...

Because 90 percent of them (yep, made that number up) are middle aged, semi-overweight, kook weekend warriors with no co-ordination or skill and no idea of surf etiquette and have no place in the line out on such a large, heavy and dangerous watercraft.

As always, the many spoiled it for the few.

I wouldn't say it's cool to hate SUP...just natural.

And how do you feel about the other 10%?

This sup talk is all over the place,fair enough there is a sup forum but its spreading into SB and LB forums,just about to lock Lacey out of the LB cell

Woodo said...

I don't hate SUP i just like to stir more than anything.
It's kind of like goat boaters and lids that use to be at the bottom of the pecking order. Now SUP is on the scene we just have someone else to pick on.

I'd like to see a duel between a G Boater and a SUP. They could use there paddles like swords. CHING CHING CHING

or make gay porn,ching kaching oh daddy

CMC said...


And how do you feel about the other 10%?

I've yet to ever see them in person. I am sure they do exist and if I did see them in the line out I would respect them like any real surfer.

I think the other thing that grinds my gears is: why? What is the point of SUP? I don't want to here this: "but we can ride waves you can't, when it's super small"
Waves that are too small to ride on a shortboard are borderline not worth riding at all Is it just a sport that allows high rolling executives to drive down in their Range Rover Sports with a board on the roof and show their board cougar wife that he's still got what it takes?

doggie said...

Well, imo, SUPs are ok when -

A - They are not surfing at your beach, any part of it. [}:)]

B - They are only good when an esky is mounted to it.

C - Generally made from windsurf epoxy so crap for surfing.

D - All of the above.

Does it annoy you if you were say surfing a peak 200m down the beach? Would there presence annoy you? Would you be thinking with a scowl on your face "SUP'ers eh, they better f'en not surf my peak tomorrow morning"

62mac said...

This sup talk is all over the place,fair enough there is a sup forum but its spreading into SB and LB forums,just about to lock Lacey out of the LB cell

Hey Mac I'm like a prostitute Rooster cock a doodle doo......

I have literally been riding a Mal lately, I can be in the LB Room, I always ride SB so I can be in here. I ride SUP in the surf and train with the boys so I'm OK in the SUP forum as well. I am in the manufacturers forum, the Outrigger forum as well.

I do lots of stuff my mates hang it on me for.....

CMC said...

doggie said...

Well, imo, SUPs are ok when -

A - They are not surfing at your beach, any part of it. [}:)]

B - They are only good when an esky is mounted to it.

C - Generally made from windsurf epoxy so crap for surfing.

D - All of the above.

Does it annoy you if you were say surfing a peak 200m down the beach? Would there presence annoy you? Would you be thinking with a scowl on your face "SUP'ers eh, they better f'en not surf my peak tomorrow morning"

Tbh, as long as they arnt snaking me or taking every wave ect I dont mind but its a bit intimadating when they are standing around waiting for waves and your sitting on your sb.
I was over at Rotto and we were running a sb comp and two noobs started to surf in our spot that we using, heaps of other places to surf that day but they had to come over and piss us off. They did cop a heap of greif for their trouble as one decided to get in the way of surfer on a wave, not popular [}:)]

subasurf said...

CMC said...


And how do you feel about the other 10%?

I've yet to ever see them in person. I am sure they do exist and if I did see them in the line out I would respect them like any real surfer.

I think the other thing that grinds my gears is: why? What is the point of SUP? I don't want to here this: "but we can ride waves you can't, when it's super small"
Waves that are too small to ride on a shortboard are borderline not worth riding at all Is it just a sport that allows high rolling executives to drive down in their Range Rover Sports with a board on the roof and show their board cougar wife that he's still got what it takes?

Is" line out" WA terminology thats twice now surely someone with your obvious years of surfing knowledge and profound philosophy on surfing etiquette should at least get that right

yes, very much so. wouldn't have it any other way.

along with full custom tinted long board owners who drink coffee in the carpark, wannbe be cool like my surf hero's shortboard riders, but surf like retarts, no talent esky lid riders who in their twenties just look stupid, cripples.

yes i hate them all

I've surfed with them a few times. No problem. It's just that they're all moulded from the stereotype that suba wrote except in my experience it's 100% so far. I've watched the "World Tour" champion Dave-whatever once. To be fair the waves sucked. But he was struggling. Makes me wonder why bother using crap equipment?

I've surfed with them in pretty good waves. They become a bit difficult. Go too deep and struggle when they're caught inside. Funny.

I've laughed at them falling off standing on them waiting for waves. That's always funny.

I hate the wobbly leg look as they're paddling around.

I dread the day when they invade my personal space and/or threaten me with injury.

Why take them out when it's good? I've been out in some pretty awesome surf with them. What's the point? Tube dodging and trimming. It makes me think that the guys on them can't surf and are using them as a crutch (in fact I'm sure of it).

I could see myself getting one for messing around on flatwater. Preferably with a glass bottom for fish watching. Or for downwinding. But never for surfing, unless I can somehow do that and not shortboard any more, like from injury (seems a common theme in the SUP forum).

I've got nothing against individuals and will share the water with anyone. I've surfed with SUPs and boogers and longboards and will happily chat with anyone. I even surfed with a goatboater the other day, first time in years. He was a top bloke. But I'll reserve the right to stereotype groups based on what I see and know. Just don't hassle me (not likely at this stage).

I'm worried about how SUPs could be seen as attractive by more people in the non-surfer demographic and invade certain areas. E.g. suba's Tearooms. What will happen when that happens? Who knows? I'm too old to fight (much) but I'd love to send them in. It's not the place for it. It happened down the beach, at Isos. Didn't use to be 50-year-old mal rider heaven. I could see it happen at Kearnsy's too. That worries me. It's pretty perfect for SUPs unless it's (rarely) big enough to shut down. The demographic there is pretty old already. I'm not a local and wouldn't send anyone in. I've only seen one there and he was at N____ most of the time.

Etc.

I've been a shortboarder for over 37 years and ride a sup as well but only in certain conditions

I dont have a problem with anyone on any sort of craft as long as they know the ocean and can handle the conditions, have proper etiquette and not be a greedy wave hassling hog

E.g. you get kooks like these:



WTF is the point? That's just dangerous and stupid IMHO.

Legion said...

E.g. you get kooks like these:

WTF is the point? That's just dangerous and stupid IMHO.

Seen that, if they want a ton of sand up the freckle thats up to them.

But they, regardless of the conditions should have been wearing leggies.

8ft + boards in big surf with no leggie is very f@*kin dangerous [}:)]

Legion said...

The grom that picks up the board should've punched out the fins.

Or this