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CMC
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16 Dec 2011 10:46am
Daneli said...

[b]doggie said...



Dont really care but it is a good topic, and yep the pro's can surf most things but their comp boards are great to look at. Ive seen a couple of Tajs MCs and FWs, Bobby Martinez DHD and Al Merricks, Occys JS ect. The one thing I have noticed is that they are small for the guys that ride them. I ride 6,3 & 6,4s mostly but a pro my weight would be using a 6,0 or even smaller.




This is true in some cases but when you look at it a bit you will see that big pros are still riding thicker boards.

Mick and Co are Ultra fit.

If however you are 85 to 95 kilos take a look at Luke Egan, Pancho Sullivan, Occy, Margo's, Jordy Smith etc. All over 19' wide and 2 1/2 thick in short dimensions.

I can't tell you how many times when I worked in the shop that I pointed to an 85 kilo guy who had his heart set on an 6'2 x 18 1/2 or something when I pointed out that one of Lukes boards that he was the same weight as was more like 6'3 x 19 x 2 1/2. I asked 'Do you think you are fitter and surf better than Luke?' the obvious answer was 'No'. Then why would you need less foam?????

I had 3 or 4 cartons brought into me from guys that literally started having fun again, catching waves and surfing like they did when they were 20 when the 6'2 x 18 1/2 was the right dims for them.

Point of the story.

Don't be afraid of volume, a light board with volume goes insane............
doggie
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16 Dec 2011 9:19am
One of my mates has a Luke Egan board, it has no dimentions on it but Luke is a big bloke and I recon its spot on for me, its a 6,6 round pin. From memory Luke Egan is 6,3 or 4 and 100kgs so a 6,6 is small for a big guy.
Legion
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16 Dec 2011 10:21am
doggie said...

Legion said...

doggie said...

^^ Short boards, Im talking under 6' here, are for me difficult to ride.

Got a 5'10" on the way . We'll see how it goes. I'm similar height and weight as you, usually ride a 6'4".


From the same shaper?


Yeah.
fozzy
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16 Dec 2011 4:49pm
doggie said...

One of my mates has a Luke Egan board, it has no dimentions on it but Luke is a big bloke and I recon its spot on for me, its a 6,6 round pin. From memory Luke Egan is 6,3 or 4 and 100kgs so a 6,6 is small for a big guy.


According to the JS website Luke is 180 cms and 90 kgs and rides predominantly a 6'4 x 19 1/8" x 2 1/2.
doggie
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16 Dec 2011 3:11pm
fozzy said...

doggie said...

One of my mates has a Luke Egan board, it has no dimentions on it but Luke is a big bloke and I recon its spot on for me, its a 6,6 round pin. From memory Luke Egan is 6,3 or 4 and 100kgs so a 6,6 is small for a big guy.


According to the JS website Luke is 180 cms and 90 kgs and rides predominantly a 6'4 x 19 1/8" x 2 1/2.



Im 80kgs and those dimentions would be perfect for me, almost the same as the FW.
62mac
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16 Dec 2011 7:24pm
doggie said...


Im 80kgs and those dimentions would be perfect for me, almost the same as the FW.


Doggie for the last time,its time for a real board mateYou don't know what your missing out on
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17 Dec 2011 8:52am
62mac said...

doggie said...


Im 80kgs and those dimentions would be perfect for me, almost the same as the FW.


Doggie for the last time,its time for a real board mateYou don't know what your missing out on


One day mac, when I retire maybe
62mac
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17 Dec 2011 9:00am
have a top day doggie
doggie
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17 Dec 2011 9:35am
62mac said...

have a top day doggie


While Im at work
doggie
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17 Dec 2011 11:39am
surferstu said...

How come it doesn't have the Balsa stringers on rails. I thought that the whole firewire concept



FUTURE SHAPES TECHNOLOGY
All Firewire Step Up guns and TAJ Pro Model boards include Springer technology. Like the leaf springs on a car's suspension, Springer's are layered underneath the high density deck skin, creating a slightly stiffer flex response, a subtle adjustment that Taj prefers. Springers are available in a number of FST boards.


http://www.firewiresurfboards.com/technology.php?techid=tech
CMC
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19 Dec 2011 8:42pm
I have 3 EPS Epoxys without vents, never been a problem.

If Taj has no vents I don't see what point that makes, most of the FW team have no vents in them. The factory I work from glasses many of the protos and custom team stuff including Taj's boards and they are just plain old EPS with d'cell sandwich outside.



vgr
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20 Dec 2011 9:49pm
If Taj has no vents I don't see what point that makes, most of the FW team have no vents in them. The factory I work from glasses many of the protos and custom team stuff including Taj's boards and they are just plain old EPS with d'cell sandwich outside.



point been the weight of the foam in his pro boards to the taj pro modle sold to all the punters out there .firewire states on there web site all boards made with 1lbs eps must be vented due to excess air in that light foam ,heaver foam dont gas as much or suffer from air build up from heat or air presure when tacken on air travle .
CMC
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20 Dec 2011 9:08pm
Here ya go Doggie. I even have a stand up board made this way now.

My next board is a semi round nose round tail called "The Fly' that will be Carbon wrap as well.



doggie
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21 Dec 2011 3:37pm
How come you run FCS and Futures?
62mac
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21 Dec 2011 4:13pm
doggie said...

How come you run FCS and Futures?


You got to ask Lacey
dave......
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23 Dec 2011 12:30pm
First post on the surfing forum, Just to give some feedback. I have surfed since I was 11 years old, and am a very experienced surfer at 39. I bought a firewire alternator rapid fire. It has a bamboo deck, for heel dents for kiteboarding. I have also kitesurfed since 2003 and ride strapless boards mostly as well as freestyle. After 1 session on the 6'4 I loved it, both surfing and then kitesurfing whne the wind picked up. The next session I tried a small air backhand with my kite for an aid, an indy. due to the onshore conditions the board flew up a little quickly so protected my face with my palm about 8cm from the nose. AND IT creased, no love from Cottesloe, as the "boards were not designed for kitesurfing". Id totally understand if I did a huge unstrapped punt and landed hard and snapped it, but this is a joke. 1 foot waves in 18knots isnt extreme. I have 2 tuff-lites for that kind oof stuff.


so a $800 dollar board is going to cost me $200 to get repaired. Properly, reinforcing the rails, which all boards snap from. They might be a nice ride, but Ive had stronger foamies when I was a grom. Another Asian crap pop-out. $450 for 2 hours is not good enough.

I havent snapped a surfboard in 8 years, but have done 10 in my time, this particular model has no integrity to it. Id rather spend my money with Dave Smith from Katana, as he would have replaced it. . Palming a board whilst airbourne in 15-18 knots and it creases is utter crap. Id steer clear of this model at least. Not happy. Merry Chrissy everyone


Should I contact firewire directly?
surfingboye
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23 Dec 2011 7:11pm
Any pics to go with this rant Dave?
swalkington
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23 Dec 2011 5:40pm
Sad to say but have had 3 epoxy boards all of different construction (surftech style molded, fibreflex & FireWire) & have had issues with all of them (snappages, corky like performance etc ) Will never buy an epoxy again, you can't lose if you get a pu from a local shaper who knows the local conditions). People say pu doesn't last long, but have fab pu board I surfed in indo 11 years ago and still going strong.
TimKay
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24 Dec 2011 7:02pm
dave...... said...

First post on the surfing forum, Just to give some feedback. I have surfed since I was 11 years old, and am a very experienced surfer at 39. I bought a firewire alternator rapid fire. It has a bamboo deck, for heel dents for kiteboarding. I have also kitesurfed since 2003 and ride strapless boards mostly as well as freestyle. After 1 session on the 6'4 I loved it, both surfing and then kitesurfing whne the wind picked up. The next session I tried a small air backhand with my kite for an aid, an indy. due to the onshore conditions the board flew up a little quickly so protected my face with my palm about 8cm from the nose. AND IT creased, no love from Cottesloe, as the "boards were not designed for kitesurfing". Id totally understand if I did a huge unstrapped punt and landed hard and snapped it, but this is a joke. 1 foot waves in 18knots isnt extreme. I have 2 tuff-lites for that kind oof stuff.


So a $800 dollar board is going to cost me $200 to get repaired. Properly, reinforcing the
rails, which all boards snap from. They might be a nice ride, but Ive had stronger foamies
when I was a grom. Another Asian crap pop-out. $450 for 2 hours is not good enough.

I havent snapped a surfboard in 8 years, but have done 10 in my time, this particular model has no integrity to it. Id rather spend my money with Dave Smith from Katana, as he would have replaced it. . Palming a board whilst airbourne in 15-18 knots and it creases is
utter crap. Id steer clear of this model at least. Not happy. Merry Chrissy
everyone

Should I contact firewire directly?


I don't know what possessed you to purchase a Rapidfire model for kite surfing
It sounds like you didn't do any proper research before you bought
If you had you wouldn't have purchased a Rapidfire model over a FST which is stronger
You know what they say about the mechanic blaming his tools
dave......
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25 Dec 2011 9:23pm
^^^^Yes mate, as Ive said, Ive surfed for 25 plus years, and snapped many rusty, Jc surfborard, never snapped an Katana, Tools yes, after 10+ snappages I have learnt to bail out, hence surfing big waves, sometimes the lip would do the same job. I didnt buy this board for arial surfing I bought it for the surf feel. as my original post I have other tougher boards for that. I dont need to boost my cred here as I have a very solid surfing pedigree, A board that you palm so it doesnt hit your face should not crease.
As for photos, I dropped it off at len dibben, in Myaree, he knows his stuff.
Andobear
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23 Jan 2012 11:22am
I have just had a similar experience with a Surftech Ultraflex (Simon Anderson DK)

Brand new board ($800) bought because I was told by shop and many people that they are way stronger than a PU board. After 20min of riding it already had pressure digs under front foot.

Are they selling lies?
doggie
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23 Jan 2012 9:20am
Andobear said...

I have just had a similar experience with a Surftech Ultraflex (Simon Anderson DK)

Brand new board ($800) bought because I was told by shop and many people that they are way stronger than a PU board. After 20min of riding it already had pressure digs under front foot.

Are they selling lies?



They are EPS, dont see many in the water around these parts. Never seen a used one in the racks either, sorry.
swalkington
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23 Jan 2012 9:33pm
when will you all learn,...pu is the go. hands down.
PaddlePig
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23 Jan 2012 11:34pm
I dropped it off at len dibben, in Myaree, he knows his stuff.


In my humble opinion, this guy's a muppet. Living in the past, expecting people to pay massive amounts of unquoted dollars on boards. Mate, you're competing against a pop-out market, you can't carry on like this Len! Just my hunble opinion to the contrary of yours.

On the topic of epoxy, I have an old, old NSP (I know, I know...waiting for the public flaming) and the thing is unbreakable. It was one of the first series that I saw here in W.A. It rides like a pig, is pretty heavy but my goodness, you can't break it!

PaddlePig
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23 Jan 2012 11:38pm
Just to add, I hate epoxy! Fibreglass is best. Love the stuff.
goofy
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24 Jan 2012 5:23pm
PaddlePig said...

I dropped it off at len dibben, in Myaree, he knows his stuff.


In my humble opinion, this guy's a muppet. Living in the past, expecting people to pay massive amounts of unquoted dollars on boards. Mate, you're competing against a pop-out market, you can't carry on like this Len! Just my hunble opinion to the contrary of yours.

On the topic of epoxy, I have an old, old NS
P (I know, I know...waiting for the public flaming) and the thing is unbreakable. It was one of the first series that I saw here in W.A. It rides like a pig, is pretty heavy but my goodness, you can't break it!



Hey go easy on poor old Len, he's just trying to make a honest living. If you dont agree with the way he runs his business dont go there, no need slag off at him on a public forum.

PaddlePig said...

Just to add, I hate epoxy! Fibreglass is best. Love the stuff.


Hope Len knows a bit more about surfboards than you, all epoxy surfboards have fibreglass in them.

Maybe you meant epoxy/eps as opposed to poly/PU.

katana
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24 Jan 2012 8:51pm
eps /epoxy are the go if there hand made properly strenght and performance unbeatable! i reckon there are to many variables to go wrong in mass production composite boards .
thedrip
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28 Jan 2012 12:43pm
I have been surfing heavy glass jobs for the last 11 years. I pay too much for a board to have it snap. I am not a pro and I think an extra kilo in a board makes very little difference when my 88 kilos is on top, but it makes a big difference in the strength. I have friends who get light glass jobs and I surf better than them on my boards and when I surf theirs I find almost no difference in performance (making allowances for the fact that they often don't get enough foam in their boards because that is what someone younger, better, and lighter surfs in the mags). I get double 6 oz on the deck - sometimes with another six oz tail pad as I grew up in the eighties and it is all about the back foot in my surfing - and 6 oz on the bottom. It's not that I can't afford new boards - I average one every nine months for the last fifteen years or so - but that I want them to last and the performance differential is absolutely marginal for the aerage recreational surfer. It might matter if I was searching for an extra 5% to win a contest, or I was pulling airs and therefore unweighted, but even a fully vertical lip snap is a pretty weighted turn and the transition from back to front foot is the important point, not an extra bit of glass and resin.

And then I can go back to my pu shapers and refine the boards. I also do all my own repairs, bar fin placements. I really like being able to repair rails and noses in my shed for "free". Fins I leave to the professionals.
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