7'11" 28" and 6'10" 28 both channeled bottom, <100liters


This is what i would better buy in a shop rather than shaping them in my garage , so please do that kind in a TufLite versus



Give more info of your 8'6"/28 good board for all around playing.

Redfezz said...

Congrats Dogman I,m sure what ever you make it will surf really well.

Wow Kami those two boards remind me of the old clinker bottoms that Byrne surfboards used to make in the 80s, they surfed really well and went like a scaled cat.
I like to know more about these boards shown in the photo are they your customs?or are they some french secret factory boards.
Whats old is new again

Dogman it might be worth looking into some these old shapes/designs and incorporating into a SUP shape one day

Red heeler for mine.

Joe,i'm please you appreciate my last boards and you know where there influence come from. I start shaping my own board at 13 old and Iwill do it for fun for ever .They are my last boards i shaped myself and YES these channels works great on SUP , I tested the 6'10" last sunday on 2" offshore , she just flies and as you mean"like a scaled cat" .I added an inlet ( kind of twinzer)to give more bite on the outside channel. Because these big shortboard are hard to sink the rail on the line.

I had channels for 5 boards( sup) they are all favorite of my 11 board I had allready tested. Except this 7'11" because never used it
I tried Twinzer 8'9" round pin with flyers and a 6'9"/28 flex tail with pieces of bodyboard on the back, kind of magic...



Old concept like MR twinfin concept might work great on a SUP.

I'm sure what old is new again and people like DogMan will shape those creative boards , as an artist and surfer he is.
My opinion is the trouble for an artist to duplicate in china and broadcast overworld their products.
People have to afford boards staight of shaper , they will work for sure and be done by surfers not anybody else.
Keep on good work, DogMan

surfershaneA said...
I am honestly amazed no one over here is going the simsup direction. They are absolutely raving about them on the American forums. A lot ain't much wider than 28' and are going around 8' and just under. If I had the cash I would import one.


Hey, not getting pushy. Just hit quote instead of edit!

holy crap how cool does that board look with the rasta deck pad, Kami...

thanks for all the input crew

my mind is spinning now.....yer like it wasn't spinning before.....derrrrr

Deano72 said...

Sick lookin boards!!
Channels rock combined with a big single concave
Never surfed a SUP with them but love them on a short board.
I'm frothin' just thinking about the extra squirt they would give you driving off the bottom.
Want one!!....or two

The purpoise to put channels on these bigboards was to reduce the fin's size usually fitted on a SUP as well to put Drive off the bottom
This is first channel bottom SUP and still my favorite 7'11",lot of rocker with traditionnal setting of concaves, single in the nose to the middle and double blended with channels .
I surfed it on 4 feet over reef on my last trip in january13 in French carribeean with the white line TC as you can see ; there is the good combo of fin. LOOSE aND RELIABLE

Concaves on the blue board are curve, they are straight on the rasta 7'11"

Almost belly in the nose to double concave blended "flutes"in the back, I have to try soon...

Redfezz said...

Kami ,
I wish I could find a photo of the old Byrne clinker bottom twin fin, as far as I know they were the only ones making them, with the larger deeper channeled bottom. The channels on the rails were at least 1 inch deep, I had a couple of them during my hey day(when I could surf). They were only ever produced in a twin fin so when thrusters came out they just fazed out. Most guys went for the thruster because of the extra drive off the bottom and ability to snap of the top and obviously they took a lot of extra time and effort to shape.
Now I,m getting emotional ,AHHH the good old days, The older I get ,the better I surfed.

Red
PS I absolutely love that 7,11, NB Dogman

Crazy concave / channel bottom beasts continued well beyond the twinnie era.
Byrning Spears (Al Byrne & Thorton Fallander) did some sick boards during the 80's!!
1/2" concave under your front foot and 3/4" deep channels out through the tail.
Remember Kong taking apart Sunset back in the day.....guess what he was riding.
AB is still shaping them www.byrningspears.com/about/board-design/

Deano72 said...

Redfezz said...

Kami ,
I wish I could find a photo of the old Byrne clinker bottom twin fin, as far as I know they were the only ones making them, with the larger deeper channeled bottom. The channels on the rails were at least 1 inch deep, I had a couple of them during my hey day(when I could surf). They were only ever produced in a twin fin so when thrusters came out they just fazed out. Most guys went for the thruster because of the extra drive off the bottom and ability to snap of the top and obviously they took a lot of extra time and effort to shape.
Now I,m getting emotional ,AHHH the good old days, The older I get ,the better I surfed.

Red
PS I absolutely love that 7,11, NB Dogman

Crazy concave / channel bottom beasts continued well beyond the twinnie era.
Byrning Spears (Al Byrne & Thorton Fallander) did some sick boards during the 80's!!
1/2" concave under your front foot and 3/4" deep channels out through the tail.
Remember Kong taking apart Sunset back in the day.....guess what he was riding.
AB is still shaping them www.byrningspears.com/about/board-design/

Red, you are a providence, please find these photos of the old Byrne clinker bottom twin fin because this is what i look for. Probably HOT STUFF boards , I've seen some... For me SUP is a twin , the paddle the third fin; An extra edge outside the Twin and a groove on the tail can be usefull with a paddle like third and as moving fin.
I test this board whith that fins H1 PC7 as trailing fin , for me this trailing fin is too much fin. I had to move the font one more inside and back, then reorganising channels dimensions. Your photo will be wellcome

This photo will be important to help drawing fins aside channels position .

Like you, i'm getting old and SUPsurfing give me a extra ball in my surfing life that i would'nt expect 4 years ago,started SUP. wish us a lot more waves to take off!



Dean, Yes AB is the Master. The boards he made to Gary E is still a reference. I had the luck to share waves with Gary at my homespot where he was expatriate by late 80 until bigining 90. His surfing by Biscaye winter strong swell on my beach break, I've seen him stopping thick lip by reentring the waves, amazing.. it was by cold morning session
Also, He surfed that board when he did 'nt came trhougt the final at G.LAND, he should be at the first place with his backside attack on this wave, only allowed with this type of board.
The only trouble with concave is , they are sliding off the lip when no pressure applies on it. But this is a luck for SUP to make easier reentries move

I wish shapers like AB can do a SUP version , there is addicted for sure!

oppphsss had a knock on and deleted this:

insane boards kami

mate I've just got off a long winded phone call with tully frothing about your channel bottom sups......him and his old man are toying with some crazy mutant shortboard with a similar headspace ATM......classic

my current headspace is leaning towards going with a featherweight, middleweight and heavyweight option on the current shape I'm riding.

next question is "how to pigeonhole" the target weight divisions???????

exibit A
feather weight max 75-80kg 85L 8'0 x 27
middle weight max 85-90kg 95L 8'6 x 27
heavy weight max 110-115kg 125L 8'10 x 31

the max weight is around the point it will be nearly impossible to paddle it without a snorkel n goggles (so any thing under those weights will be fine) with good balance)

tha dogman said...
insane boards kami

mate I've just got off a long winded phone call with tully frothing about your channel bottom sups......him and his old man are toying with some crazy mutant shortboard with a similar headspace ATM......classic

my current headspace is leaning towards going with a featherweight, middleweight and heavyweight option on the current shape I'm riding.

next question is "how to pigeonhole" the target weight divisions???????

exibit A
feather weight max 75-80kg 85L 8'0 x 27
middle weight max 85-90kg 95L 8'6 x 27
heavy weight max 110-115kg 125L 8'10 x 31

the max weight is around the point it will be nearly impossible to paddle it without a snorkel n goggles

Dimension seems to me coming in second position after buyoncy.
For example, my weight 76kg and the board around 7 with accessories. So a total weight of 83kg which need a minimum volume of 83 liters .
More volume put your feet upon the board and make your balance weaker. You can involve this stability by the width at the exact position( 1" back) of your stand up gravity .And surf that 27" SUP in clean condition, no choppy one. You know...

So the "pigeon hole"* would be as close as possible of weight. I might let the marketting scale gaps of weight.

27' seem to me radical width but i 'm 58. Your board will fit SUPers incoming from Surfing ? this is why mutant board from GONG are so wide because Supers come from Windsurfer or Kiter and these wide boards are accurate for weak waves than a surfer from OZ would'nt look
DogMan , keep on shaping board for surfers[}:)]



*i don't understand some Aussie idiomatic, sorry, more beer please

Towny said...
I'd - 10kg for weight divisions and rethink channel bottoms for mass production as not many short boarders ride them any more, even in Indo, I have had many good surfers check out one of my channel bottomed boards,pretty sure glassers are not big fans of them either..

For sure channel bottom is a nightmare glassing, the last epoxies better and better practical for this job but I wonder how can be done on a tuflite process
Good surfers are young and sadly few have imagination and they surf what the marketing show to them, only the older ones or the very young can jump on a SUP ...now
I would like so much get some Indonesian waves whatever I surf with.

tha dogman said...

Piros said...
If you build it , they will ride it......... 8-2 x 28.5 x 4-0 ,apx 100litres , still should let the bigger units have a crack and chuck in a retro styled Stinger-flyer-swallow tail for the hell of it.

hahahahaha you know where ill be putting your flyers n stingers piros

and that won't be for daytime television viewing will it mate!!!!!!!

sorry but a strict policy of no sledgehammer dints

will be ruining a beautiful rail line

you know the deal...........lol

I've been thinking about Stingers ever since I started SUP(not saying that you should have any)but,it may help solve the width debate.Having a board say 31" at the widest point or just before (where you stand to paddle) is good for stability and then radically reducing the width to say 29" by using Stingers and pulling the tail in to a nice rounded pin or something would be good for turning at speed(of course with the correct rocker and concave/vee design).I saw a vid of Kai in Tahiti shot from in the water and when the camera was following him from under water there was a lot less board in the water than I had expected,I don't think those sledgehammer dents would get in the way to much.

Redfezz said...
Heres some food for thought , Looking at those weights and litre amounts , your targeting a very elite group of surfers , Personally speaking I would think anyone who can surf these type weights and sizes would be very proficient and would probably have there own preferred line of boards, also possibly sponsored if competition orientated.

I have to agree. There's a group of about 10 of us in Manly who SUP and we've been doing it for a while - 27" sounds very narrow. I'm at 90kgs, not bad at SUPing (my one board is a Fanatic ProWave 8'10") but would never be able to use a board that size and then 31" sounds too wide. Can't win really!

If it is glassy and not choppy (especially in the summer NE'rs) then maybe I'd be ok on the 8'6". Any chance of a board at about 28 and a half?

But Redfezz, as you say these could be purely for the hard core/pro level SUPers.

Good luck with it all!

Fair enough - there's a few options already there that would be of relevance for the 28" wide boards and the 8'5" x 30" would be useful.

I have only bought boards from WSnS so only look at Fanatic, Naish, Starboard etc.. I'll take a look at Surftech.

Cheers

BenKirk said...

If it is glassy and not choppy (especially in the summer NE'rs) then maybe I'd be ok on the 8'6". Any chance of a board at about 28 and a half?

But Redfezz, as you say these could be purely for the hard core/pro level SUPers.



Ben,
You hit the nail on the head, when is it ever not windy on the south coast of NSW ?. The tides ,swell and wind aline ,a couple times a yr, its not like we get trade winds for 6 months then travel to the other side of the island for the next six months. Unless you have a quiver of several boards ,The average SUPer sacrifices performance for versatility .
I myself am looking to upgrade and I,m in two minds get the board that I know I can surf well or get a larger board in the same model that has a bit more stability and can handle the chop better.I talking about the Hokua 9.5 vs 9.10 ,I know I could do the 9.5 or even 9 ft but it would be hard work and not enjoyable.
So it just depends what market Tha Dogman is aiming for.........by the sounds of it very elite performance end of market.
cheers
Red

hilly said...

tha dogman said...
big boys shorty Hp nose 9'3 x 30. (swallow / pin tail) truckstop model
the same board as the daily kibble just super sized up for my fellow maccas n hungryjacks lovers out there.......rock on gentlemen!!!!!!

Small wave version 9'3 x 31 wide solid wave version 9'6 x 29 wide

I got a 9'6 x 27
In regards to shapes I personally think that volume and thickness is important.