Why'd I get red thumbed?.. I didn't even mention Naish or Kilaoa.. .. Oops.. I have now..

We are all open to our own opinions on this.. and there's no need for anything to be personal.. (I don't think)

DJ

laceys lane said...

'you started the topic and I just gave my opinion.'

'the topic' was about 14' race boards, but your opinions are aimed at me as they always are from you

'You change your mind more than your undies, on top off that its a different board every month that is always the best thing yet. Hard to put any stock as next week youll be saying something else.'

yes i get a few and get them a little cheaper, we try things so we might with end up with better boards, i'm no gun, but it's stuff i like to do. it's a process. what we did on my 12'6 is what travis will be paddling with sunday. hows that with you, is it ok for him to go ahead? if you look, i don't say every board is great. generally i just post photos and people who are interested ask questions.

no one has complained about my second hand boards when they have brought them.
yes it true, i change my mind a lot- sorry, do you wanna whip me.
i tell you what, how about i email you first before i post just to make sure it's ok with you
cheers

You started the thread by stating one board for all events, then you said you were talking about DW boards, now you say you are talking about 14 boards......

Lacey you cant please all of the people all of the time.....post on a punlic forum and expect people not to agree with your every word...thats just life.

I stand by my opinion that 14 is to long for true surf in and out....time will tell on this one when more BOP style events get carried out on beach brakes like we have along our coasts....alot like the SLS events....the BOP overseas didnt look like our tradition beachies and they still choose to use 12.6...

14 will get smoked in true DW conditions...

14 may be a good board for flat water evenst with laps etc....


im kinda suprised you dont go in more events, you certainly train enough and seem more than capable. I dont understand how you couldnt have a board for these events even if it wasnt the optimum....after all isnt just particpating what its about or are you only interested in the win, which intern requires the event, conditions and divison to favour you?

dont get your undies in to much of a bunch....its only the interweb

Serg

btw thought you were over and out.

laceys lane said...

i put it out orginally about having max lengh of race boards to make it what i thought might be a simplier cheaper,easier way of a lot more people getting into this type of sup ping. not so much it was the best board at everything,but more like it can do just about everything. so "if" everybody was on the same board doing say, a dw race, the fact that 17' er 'goes faster' doesn't come into it because everyone would be on a 14' er. umm, does that make sense. ok the car racing bit is clumsy, but they do try to regulate the speed by allowing only certain things to be done, hence the cost. surf ski craft have to be a certain weight. i believe the manufactors sometimes have to pour extra resin the boat to get them 'up to weight'. that was the type of thing(as in lenght restriction) i was trying to convey.

cheers

ok, thats understandable....but then that puts the people who have invested money into unlimited/12.6 boards backwards.

racing is racing. basic idea is to get from point A to B as quick as possible. People will train hard, eat right do what ever they can to help....AND they will always look at the craft to improve.

to me as the sport is so young, if you have a board 12.6/14 or unlimited and your keen to race, dont wait for the catagory to come to you...go make it happen. what I mean is there isnt enough competitors going in events for the organisiers to have every divison. It just costs to much. plus youd only have a few in each divsion.

As more people go in the events the organisers and sponsers will respond. Also expect to pay to race, insurance etc doesnt come cheap. Only time will help this ONLY if events are well organised and safety a priority and thats not free either. Maybe competitors will have to meet a requirement like the bronze etc down the track????

Serg

Dave Kalama's (and by extension, Pono Bill's) argument that 12'6" doesn't allow the bigger more powerful paddler to be competitive reminds me of when Nigel Mansell was squeezed out of Formula 1 because he couldn't squeeze his fat arse into the cockpit.

husq2100 said...



no rules sate the volume or design of the 12.6....just like sup surf the small guy can get away with less board, but the bigger guy will always have more power....

Yeah, I would have thought that with a bit of mucking about with designs, and a bit of testing, etc, you could come up with a 12'6 BOP board for a 95kg power house, which would be just as quick as stuff designed for an 80kg paddler.

doggie said...

PTWoody said...

Dave Kalama's (and by extension, Pono Bill's) argument that 12'6" doesn't allow the bigger more powerful paddler to be competitive reminds me of when Nigel Mansell was squeezed out of Formula 1 because he couldn't squeeze his fat arse into the cockpit.

LOL!!! Nigel Mansell, thats bloody funny Woody!!

i dont care how fat he gets, dude can still drive....so funny watching him as an invitational in a uk touring car race, was mid fild until the rain came.....he just kept posting the same lap times as he was in the dry.... others were even going in for tyres....he won by a fair margin

Simondo said...

husq2100 said...



no rules sate the volume or design of the 12.6....just like sup surf the small guy can get away with less board, but the bigger guy will always have more power....

Yeah, I would have thought that with a bit of mucking about with designs, and a bit of testing, etc, you could come up with a 12'6 BOP board for a 95kg power house, which would be just as quick as stuff designed for an 80kg paddler.

I am with you on that one it's easy to make a 12'6 that would suit better a 95kg than a 80kg paddler.
BTW I went to paddle at kirra this morning and if anybody thinks the boardspeed will make somebody win tomorrow...good luck!
It will be about balance and surfing skill, the bests will really be in front......
Nobody will speak about 12'6 or 14' speed as soon as they'll be out
And since we won't be talking 1 or 2 seconds differences consider bringing a leash around or be aware you might swim behind your board

62mac said...

one nation,one world,two race boards

Funny how much biffo was on this thread for a simple dicussion about class, you guys make me laff

Interesting thoughts. If you look at BOP results lightweights Ching, middleweight Mitchell and heavy weight Patterson have won. So different size people have won on the 12 boards. Why change the rules? In NASCAR, kayakracing, etc. You have specific builds that you must follow whether your big or small in stature. Just a thought.

Aloha

As Piros has said above as a race organiser in Australia holding any event that excludes 14' would be suicide for participation at this time.

I think Scotty has this race right, Amateur for less experienced racers on surf SUP, Pro for the crew that are serious and are either at the top of the game or wanting to gauge themselves against some of the best in the world and Open Class and over 40's. Everyone's covered really.

Was waiting for iron man to chuck in usual spin and half educated localised chest beating. (well beating somehing anyways[;)

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Quote Byron Muai [b]

Interesting thoughts. If you look at BOP results lightweights Ching, middleweight Mitchell and heavy weight Patterson have won. So different size people have won on the 12 boards. Why change the rules? In NASCAR, kayakracing, etc. You have specific builds that you must follow whether your big or small in stature. Just a thought.

Aloha

[b]Piros said...

Byron the real difference here is , we generally are a year or 2 behind you guys , but the sport is growing so fast here and some events are not allowing all classes due to prize money and competitor numbers.Some people are forking out for 17's & 14's only to be told there is no division for them in certain races. BOP is now flavour of the month so you must own a 12-6.The 14 class seems to be the best of both worlds so people don't have to own mutiple race boards.

We are having our first BOP tomorrow here in Aus and there will be plenty people who only own 17's that can't race and will be standing on the beach watching.They are letting 14's in so even more people don't miss out.

With no big money behind the sport here it makes a very difficult decision on what size board to buy if you can only afford one.

The other problem we have here is our downwind races often have up wind legs so the 14's will often beat the 17's , we just don't have Maliko conditions here.

Rob.

Byron what Rob says is accurate, in my case I have 3 daughters and myself that all want to race in some form either socially or competatively. You never know what the next race is going to accept board wise. Makes it very hard to commit big $$$ for something you may not be able to use.

Try and freight 12.6, 14 and 17 ft boards back and foward around Aussie several times a year, the cost is prohibative (Melb to Goldie 1800 Kms, Melb to Syd 900 ish Kms).

You usually have to end up borrowing a board thats close to what you have trained on there.

Then add juniors, womens, handicapping, age divisions all these are treated quite differently comp to comp here.

As a social paddler guys dont go to BOP thinking they are going to beat a Jamie Mitchel, Jacko, Travis Grant etc, i think they are more looking for a personal best down the field or thats what we would do.

There is a group of 5 of us locally that would be very active in racing but we are all sitting on the fence waiting for the dust to settle.

Phill