any advice on what to do when caught by a big set?

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clockout
clockout
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16 Aug 2011 10:23pm
I am a surfer/kite surfer and lately supper.
I took the SUP out for a surf in solid 4/5f with inconsistent 6 footer and of course a big fat set came through when I was sitting a bit too deep to get some of the smaller waves breaking at the time. I tried to go over the white water of a double over head that broke 8m on front of me but it only pushed me back. By the time the white wash released me another wave broke just on top and I got washed by 2 more waves... my friends on short boards were laughing while I was struggling to push the 3 meters long beast against the waves while holding my paddle.

At the end I managed to sneak behind and rest after the work out... honestly I don't remember the last time I was held under the water for so long and so many times in one session

suggestions are welcome!
Leroy13
Leroy13
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1174 posts
VIC, 1174 posts
16 Aug 2011 11:18pm
You are joking aren't you? Or are you in Fiji? Two foot was the best anywhere in Victoria today or have you some secret spot??? Two ways I know of in that situation are to either go in with a wave and then paddle back out with the rip/in the channel (easiest and laziest option), or aim the board directly at the whitwater and stand up quickly at the back of the board as its about to hit you and spear it over the top of the white water(like you were trying to kill some dirty rotten drop in Mal rider/shortboarder). You still get crunched but the board doesn't drag you anywhere much so as soon as there is a break you can try to paddle for the shoulder. I think there are some links from a couple of months ago showing how to this. Hope this helps!
PS I just realised you didn't necessarily mean today, sorry!!
laceys lane
laceys lane
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19804 posts
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16 Aug 2011 11:25pm
clockout, your probably not going to get a lot of replies on this one. it's been done to death.

however, be smart and read the conditions/wave patterns- ie don't get caught inside

if your getting thumped, just go with it, till you see a break. fighting whitewash with a sup is just a waste of energy
deep water is your friend when paddling out, a broken wave in the deep generally doesn't carry as much power

as you get better you will learn to pop the board over waves, but if its a big wave that has just broken in front of you -dive,

ps blokes like dogman use their paddles underwater to fight whitewash, he's the best in the business at it
Scotty88
Scotty88
4214 posts
4214 posts
16 Aug 2011 9:25pm
This will help to hold on a bit longer.

Gorgo
Gorgo
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16 Aug 2011 11:30pm
If you get caught on the inside just point your board towards the beach, lie on the back and prone in towards the beach.

Be careful to keep a good grip on your paddle and not get clobbered with it.

Often you can get to your feet and ride the white water out to the side.

Either way, once you get to the inside you can wait for a lull then paddle out.
gregc
gregc
VIC
1299 posts
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17 Aug 2011 8:26am
Scotty I have watched the video several times now but it hasn't increased my lung capacity one bit.
sharpie
sharpie
NSW
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17 Aug 2011 9:48am
I find swearing loudly does not help at all, but i do it anyway!
goatman
goatman
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17 Aug 2011 10:27am
Hey Clockout, a couple of things I found. If the whitewater is over chest high and with a bit of grunt you usually can't paddle over it. Chest high to a bit over head and you can usually kick the board over it like someone else mentioned - this is good when there are crew behind you as the board shouldn't come back at all.

Once it is say a double overhead (6 foot) wave that has broken in front of you, paddle up to it as hard as you can and at the very last moment dive as hard and as deep as the depth allows you under the whitewater. Use your paddle as an anchor when you get dragged.

Don't ever turn sideways or try and ride whitewater this size prone - you will get wasted IMO.

This 'dive late, hard and deep' technique works a treat if the wave is unbroken but about to slam down on you - you dive into the wall and under the pitching lip. Just don't dive so deep as to hit your head on the bottom.

Also if you are paddling up the face and the lip is gonna get you, jump up and over the lip but make sure the board has a slight bit of angle so the nose doesn't hit you in the chest.

ALWAYS look behind you when you are paddling out or well before bailing and always paddle away from other crew that may be directly behind. On a SUP you really need to have an acute sense of where the other people in the line up are located at any given time, especially when it is larger surf.

Hope this helps.

Scotty88
Scotty88
4214 posts
4214 posts
17 Aug 2011 8:27am
gregc said...

Scotty I have watched the video several times now but it hasn't increased my lung capacity one bit.


I'm sure it helps the bloodflow.
doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
WA, 15849 posts
17 Aug 2011 10:21am
Use a shortboard
billboard
billboard
QLD
2819 posts
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17 Aug 2011 1:00pm
If you aren't too sure what to do in those conditions then you probably shouldn't be out there in the first place.
pmorgan1974
pmorgan1974
NSW
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17 Aug 2011 1:42pm
billboard said...

If you aren't too sure what to do in those conditions then you probably shouldn't be out there in the first place.


We all have to learn at some point, and the way we learn is by getting out there and practicing, sometimes in situations where we are pushed and challenged. As long as we not putting other people in danger.



billboard
billboard
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17 Aug 2011 1:54pm
pmorgan1974 said...

billboard said...

If you aren't too sure what to do in those conditions then you probably shouldn't be out there in the first place.


We all have to learn at some point, and the way we learn is by getting out there and practicing, sometimes in situations where we are pushed and challenged. As long as we not putting other people in danger.






Yep fully agree - definately a good idea to learn in 6ft surf - sorry to be so negative about the post.
laurie
laurie
NSW
3889 posts
NSW, 3889 posts
17 Aug 2011 1:57pm
My main local is a beach break, so getting out through white water is part & parcel of everyday supping.

On the bigger days, the shortboarders get out back a bit quicker, but most other days, the SUP gets out back faster.

Once it gets over a certain size, jumping off & under is the only solution. As goatman suggests .. use the paddle as an anchor. I hold my paddle over my head with the blade sideways to act as a brake, so I don't get dragged tooo far.

Then it's just a matter of ducking & diving and watching for a lull in the sets where I paddle like hell (in prone position, paddle under chest) to get out the back.

On days like this, once out the back, it's gotta be a pretty good wave to not pull out before it closes out!

All good fun...
goatman
goatman
NSW
2151 posts
NSW, 2151 posts
17 Aug 2011 3:09pm
billboard said...
Yep fully agree - definately a good idea to learn in 6ft surf - sorry to be so negative about the post.


You forgot to add 'sarcastic' as well.

If there is not many out and you are confident in the water why not have a dig.
teatrea
teatrea
QLD
4177 posts
QLD, 4177 posts
17 Aug 2011 4:02pm
goatman said...

Hey Clockout, a couple of things I found. If the whitewater is over chest high and with a bit of grunt you usually can't paddle over it. Chest high to a bit over head and you can usually kick the board over it like someone else mentioned - this is good when there are crew behind you as the board shouldn't come back at all.

Once it is say a double overhead (6 foot) wave that has broken in front of you, paddle up to it as hard as you can and at the very last moment dive as hard and as deep as the depth allows you under the whitewater. Use your paddle as an anchor when you get dragged.

Don't ever turn sideways or try and ride whitewater this size prone - you will get wasted IMO.

This 'dive late, hard and deep' technique works a treat if the wave is unbroken but about to slam down on you - you dive into the wall and under the pitching lip. Just don't dive so deep as to hit your head on the bottom.

Also if you are paddling up the face and the lip is gonna get you, jump up and over the lip but make sure the board has a slight bit of angle so the nose doesn't hit you in the chest.

ALWAYS look behind you when you are paddling out or well before bailing and always paddle away from other crew that may be directly behind. On a SUP you really need to have an acute sense of where the other people in the line up are located at any given time, especially when it is larger surf.

Hope this helps.




Some great advice their , the more you put youself in those situations the better you will get a handling the inevitable floggings. Like already said be aware of others around you(i find this not a big issue as generally not to many out when its sizable anyway) , get a bombproof leggie and dive deep.Getting back on your board prone style is a lot quicker than trying to get to your feet and paddle before the next set comes.Look for rips , deep gutters ect to make life a bit easier.
pmorgan1974
pmorgan1974
NSW
1080 posts
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17 Aug 2011 4:09pm
billboard said...

pmorgan1974 said...

billboard said...

If you aren't too sure what to do in those conditions then you probably shouldn't be out there in the first place.


We all have to learn at some point, and the way we learn is by getting out there and practicing, sometimes in situations where we are pushed and challenged. As long as we not putting other people in danger.






Yep fully agree - definately a good idea to learn in 6ft surf - sorry to be so negative about the post.


I am pretty sure he isn't learning in 6ft surf. He probably learnt in 1,2, 3 then 4, now finds himself in 6ft, getting pumped and wants some advice.
Gav84
Gav84
QLD
20 posts
QLD, 20 posts
17 Aug 2011 6:07pm
If you find yourself in that **** situation and you have guys behind you, get off your board early and turn your board towards the beach (presuming you have time) then dive under. If not, once the wave hits you, your board will turn around taking out anyone in a 3m radius to your left or right, If your board is already in that direction it should only donk the guys that are stupid enough to sit directly behind you (you know the ones, the ones that are always in your way when you turn around i.e longboarders)

Gav
rodders67
rodders67
NSW
176 posts
NSW, 176 posts
17 Aug 2011 6:14pm
sharpie said...

I find swearing loudly does not help at all, but i do it anyway!


me too sharpie....but it just feels so damn good to VENT
WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
WA
3183 posts
WA, 3183 posts
17 Aug 2011 5:26pm
when you're about to be caught out BIG time is it better to say

"f**K this for a game of soldiers and take the leggy off" n dive deep..

or take a big breath and go for an alltime underwater drag
Piros
Piros
QLD
7296 posts
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17 Aug 2011 8:08pm
Bail out or try to paddle over is always the question. Ross the guy at the top actually got through the lip , Clarky had no choice but to bail and obviously got flogged but lived to tell the tale

Like what has been said always hit the wave with speed don't bail with no forward momentum , dive deep and set the paddle out across your body with your arms straight like the letter T , make sure your leggie is not over or around you other foot. I use short thick leggies this stops your board from tomb stoning and getting dragged back through the crowd. Hang on and enjoy the ride , if you start running out of air put the paddle head out in front of and push down on it , this will make you surface as you are getting dragged back so you can grab a breath but it also prolongs the beating.

As Goatie said always check behind before you bail , just by paddling a couple of metres to the left or right before bail could stop you getting dragged over those behind you. A bit of swearing like Sharpie says never hurts. and never ever let go of your paddle it controls the drag and it's also a floatation device.

Rob
www.vonpiros.com





Makaha
Makaha
1145 posts
1145 posts
17 Aug 2011 6:29pm
I agree with Piros.


But geez some of you guys like to attack others don't you.
But hey always good to see billboard cop a flogging
Its ok Billboard your no pioneer champ and that longboard
remark was so so untrue gav
laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
19804 posts
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17 Aug 2011 8:29pm
i didn't know your paddles had airbags for emergencies
62mac
62mac
WA
24860 posts
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17 Aug 2011 6:37pm
laceys lane said...

i didn't know your paddles had airbags for emergencies


oh yes now your talking like a longboarder haha
goatman
goatman
NSW
2151 posts
NSW, 2151 posts
17 Aug 2011 8:48pm
Makaha said...

I agree with Piros.


But geez some of you guys like to attack others don't you.
But hey always good to see billboard cop a flogging
Its ok Billboard your no pioneer champ and that longboard
remark was so so untrue gav


Pot calling the kettle black Makaha.
Makaha
Makaha
1145 posts
1145 posts
17 Aug 2011 6:54pm
goatman said...

Makaha said...

I agree with Piros.


But geez some of you guys like to attack others don't you.
But hey always good to see billboard cop a flogging
Its ok Billboard your no pioneer champ and that longboard
remark was so so untrue gav


Pot calling the kettle black Makaha.

well i've seen the light goatman now is that a bad thing or
do you want me to get all funky again
goatman
goatman
NSW
2151 posts
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17 Aug 2011 8:57pm
Please hold the 'funky'
Makaha
Makaha
1145 posts
1145 posts
17 Aug 2011 7:01pm
goatman said...

Please hold the 'funky'


done
Piros
Piros
QLD
7296 posts
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17 Aug 2011 9:13pm
Clock out said:-
honestly I don't remember the last time I was held under the water for so long and so many times in one session


9 & 10ft leggies are the cause of this as they can stretch out to 20+ft and then only come back to 12 to 15ft .The longer the leggie the more your board will stay in the wave and not let your board release. Once your leggie is over stretched it becomes thinner and will fail eventually. I use a 7ft x 5/16 Da Kine and I said previously my board won't tomb stone. Which means the board pulls out of the wave very quickly and you don't dragged back.

I have broken over 20 leggies , all different brands and this is by far the best. big wave mal leggies I find are the worst for Sups.



towball
towball
4634 posts
4634 posts
18 Aug 2011 10:36am
Rob what you are say is very true I started using Creatures 10ft for big stuff & have copped a flogging ever since , normally I use an 8ft .What Brand are you using ? I'm abit gun shy about the 5/16 bit.
Piros said...

Clock out said:-
honestly I don't remember the last time I was held under the water for so long and so many times in one session


9 & 10ft leggies are the cause of this as they can stretch out to 20+ft and then only come back to 12 to 15ft .The longer the leggie the more your board will stay in the wave and not let your board release. Once your leggie is over stretched it becomes thinner and will fail eventually. I use a 7ft x 5/16 Da Kine and I said previously my board won't tomb stone. Which means the board pulls out of the wave very quickly and you don't dragged back.

I have broken over 20 leggies , all different brands and this is by far the best. big wave mal leggies I find are the worst for Sups.






Piros
Piros
QLD
7296 posts
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18 Aug 2011 9:33pm
I use a 7ft x 5/16 Da Kine use it Hawaii last month got some and scored good sized swell , got punished inside a few times and it's still 7' long.
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