What will sell most ? Hard SUPs or iSUPs

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John4F
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19 Jan 2013 3:32am
No doubt hard SUPs have the best performance but storage, transport are a big issue. Driving with a big SUP on your car roof increases fuel consumption with 10% at least and most people don't live near the sea or lakes.

The performance of iSUPs is ever increasing by applying better technologies to stiffening the boards and by adding on release rails - still less performing than hard SUPs.
As most people in the world are living in apartments, condo's with hardly any storage room (or even a possibility to get a 10' x 30" board into the elevator) and have smaller cars, it seems the market for iSUPs could be bigger.
Additionally an iSUP can be taken for a vacation by car and plane.

So what's your opinion?
Will hard SUPs or iSUPs rule the market in sales ?
matt18
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19 Jan 2013 7:53am
looks like you have already made your mind up.

willing to pay a bit more in petrol
vote- hard
DavidJohn
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19 Jan 2013 8:12am
I'm guessing inflatables will be about 10% of the market in surf available areas and maybe even as much as 20-30% in non surf areas.. I can't see them having any more of a share in the sup market than that because most people care more about performance than convenience.

DJ
paddlingben
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19 Jan 2013 5:13am
You know what they say... if you can blow it, it sucks.
billboard
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19 Jan 2013 7:28am
Its like comparing a real woman to a blow up one I reckon !!
Personally I prefer the real ones !
Sailhack
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19 Jan 2013 11:34am
^^^Never had the opportunity to do a comparison!?

Mine sits in the corner of the bedroom at home and is called 'Patches'.
Adoy
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19 Jan 2013 11:40am


Fuel would probably be like 1-2% more, 14kg SUP on 1400kg car is 1% extra weight and SUP is totally aero dynamic I wouldnt be worried about the extra fuel just a convenience thing.

If I was going on a P & O type cruise taking an ISUP would be ideal

gumballs
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19 Jan 2013 3:57pm
ipod,ifone,isups when are they gona start making ibeer???
mmhard
mmhard
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19 Jan 2013 4:36pm
John4F said...

No doubt hard SUPs have the best performance but storage, transport are a big issue. Driving with a big SUP on your car roof increases fuel consumption with 10% at least and most people don't live near the sea or lakes.

The performance of iSUPs is ever increasing by applying better technologies to stiffening the boards and by adding on release rails - still less performing than hard SUPs.
As most people in the world are living in apartments, condo's with hardly any storage room (or even a possibility to get a 10' x 30" board into the elevator) and have smaller cars, it seems the market for iSUPs could be bigger.
Additionally an iSUP can be taken for a vacation by car and plane.

So what's your opinion?
Will hard SUPs or iSUPs rule the market in sales ?


Really 10% at least, just not true and i thought most people did live near the ocean or lakes, isnt the coastal fringe the most populated areas of oz, is there an another agenda here
WINDY MILLER
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19 Jan 2013 1:58pm
Adoy said...


Fuel would probably be like 1-2% more, 14kg SUP on 1400kg car is 1% extra weight and SUP is totally aero dynamic I wouldnt be worried about the extra fuel just a convenience thing.

If I was going on a P & O type cruise taking an ISUP would be ideal




always wondered what the tail on those things was for !!
ULI Boards
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20 Jan 2013 12:56am
I think there's definitely a place for both. I agree with DJ's comments (to an extent). Competition paddlers care more about performance than convenience. Having said that how many competition paddlers are there compared to recreational paddlers? My guess, is the scales are considerably in favour of recreational paddlers.

As most would be aware it is the fastest growing recreational water sport in the world. In addition to this with the ever increasing rate of high density living and people driving smaller cars we believe there will be a signifcant shift towards inflatables. Most people want practicality.

You only have to look at how many inflatable manufacturers are out there at the moment and we're talking about high profile surf brands; the same ones that laughed at ULI when they invented the concept. They now recognise there is a serious market for inflatables and the surface has only just been scratched.

ULI continue to lead the way with the use of advanced composites and now the wiki rail. We too have custom made boards tailored for racing (we will get some in future), and the gap between inflatables and solids is being bridged. In competition the board is an important factor but equally as important is the ability of the paddler.

Excuse our bias, but that's an opinion on what we've observed.

Whichever way you look at it, the main thing is we're all involved in a great sport!
surf4fun
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19 Jan 2013 10:09pm
I think the price of inflatables would need to come down to well under $1000 to be competitive in number of sales as hard boards.

If storage isn't an issue a hard sup will win any day. Personally if I looked at an inflatable and had to blow it up every time I wanted to use it, it would get used half as much as a hard sup.
matt18
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20 Jan 2013 8:53am
ULI Boards said...
I think there's definitely a place for both. I agree with DJ's comments (to an extent). Competition paddlers care more about performance than convenience. Having said that how many competition paddlers are there compared to recreational paddlers? My guess, is the scales are considerably in favour of recreational paddlers.

As most would be aware it is the fastest growing recreational water sport in the world. In addition to this with the ever increasing rate of high density living and people driving smaller cars we believe there will be a signifcant shift towards inflatables. Most people want practicality.

You only have to look at how many inflatable manufacturers are out there at the moment and we're talking about high profile surf brands; the same ones that laughed at ULI when they invented the concept. They now recognise there is a serious market for inflatables and the surface has only just been scratched.

ULI continue to lead the way with the use of advanced composites and now the wiki rail. We too have custom made boards tailored for racing (we will get some in future), and the gap between inflatables and solids is being bridged. In competition the board is an important factor but equally as important is the ability of the paddler.

Excuse our bias, but that's an opinion on what we've observed.

Whichever way you look at it, the main thing is we're all involved in a great sport!


All the best with your venture, 1st off

I would not buy one for my self, but maybe consider one for may kids due to the softer impact when they make a connection with board
Sure there is a market- more than likely in the white water rafting than the surf IMO

Its all about enjoying the water

John4F
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20 Jan 2013 6:43am
1) Pumping issue - all kite surfers pump their kites - the smaller gear pack to transport was one of the reasons that made kite winning over windsurfing.
2) Fuel consumption: having traveled many years with windsurfboard(s) on the roof of my car(s) to vacation destinations (>750miles one way) I can assure you the consumption is 10% (even 15% at high speeds = about 60USD per vacation)

Most people with decent income (not poor, not wealthy) in the world live in city area's - wondering if will they keep on playing games on their smartphones, tablets and go shopping or out eating as they now do ? Or will a significant part become active and start to Fitness SUP, MTB, etc in order to experience real excitement ?
DavidJohn
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20 Jan 2013 9:44am
When I meet people paddling for their first time and they show real interest in getting into the sport they often ask how do I transport it.. and when I say you need roof racks.. That often puts them off because some people really don't want (or can't) put roof racks on their car.. When I mention that there's an inflatable option their eyes often light up at the thought of that option.. Also those people living in flats that are not on the ground floor level will be able to join in on this great new sport.. I think the whole inflatable scene will explode once we get electric pumps that do all the hard work of pumping it up for us.. That's a real put-off for a lot of people.

DJ
Craig66
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20 Jan 2013 11:57am
billboard said...
Its like comparing a real woman to a blow up one I reckon !!
Personally I prefer the real ones !


I thought that was a great comment, then i looked at where you live

Sailhack
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20 Jan 2013 1:49pm
DavidJohn said...
I think the whole inflatable scene will explode once we get electric pumps...

DJ


Haven't electric pumps/compressors been around for decades?
DavidJohn
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20 Jan 2013 1:58pm
Yes but not in a simple sup-inflating version.. They are coming soon from brands like Naish and Starboard (so I've heard)..

Hand pumping these inflatable Sup's really is hard work.. I was talking to a very small petite lady the other day that found my 12'6" Glide too heavy for her to carry and I suggested the new 12'6" Naish One for her to buy.. Then I thought about how she would cope pumping it up herself.. I don't think she could do it.. Even I find it very hard..

DJ
husq2100
husq2100
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20 Jan 2013 6:06pm
10% maybe for your vehicle with your gear on it, but there are HUGE variables for fuel consumption and that 10% does not go across the board (no pun intended).....I can assure you that a sup on my "Pick Up" (just for you John) does NOT increase my "gas guzzleing" by 10%

By the way, here in Oz, most people live near the coast....inland is a hot dry dusty place....probably why you need about 10 acres to support 1 cow....

Btw, John if you are affilated with any brand of inflatable sup you should probably make that clear...
polykarb
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20 Jan 2013 9:15pm
Hi fullas,
thought I'd add my two cents.

Today I went SUPing at Torquay, I took my inflatable Naish nalu 11" and mate hired a poxy board.

We are noobs, and spend a lot of time falling off just trying to catch waves, lol.

The surf was small today and performance was not really and issue.

We both caught waves off the reef and had a great time.

I guess all I'm trying to say is that for most people who just wanna catch average waves and paddle around iSUPs are great.

I use a 12v compressor in my ute to inflate, at 14psi it's quite ridged.
Inflation takes about the same amount of time it took to load/unload the poxy off the roof, maybe slightly longer.

I live less than 100m from port Phillip bay, so I guess at some stage I'll buy myself a "real" board.
But for now the iSUP is great.

For me inflatable is really practical, and I would recommend the Naish nalu 11" x 30" x 6".








HumanCartoon
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20 Jan 2013 10:06pm
polykarb said...
and mate hired a poxy board.




if he had a good time maybe he'll buy himself a nicer one
DavidJohn
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20 Jan 2013 10:41pm
Maybe he should try an iPoxy board next time..

I've paddled that 11' Nalu and it would be a great do-it-all board for most new people getting into sup.

I'd love to see inflatables that can be pumped up to about 20 lbs so they loose that jelly-belly feel.

DJ
Cuttlefish
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20 Jan 2013 10:17pm
DavidJohn said...
Yes but not in a simple sup-inflating version.. They are coming soon from brands like Naish and Starboard (so I've heard)..

Hand pumping these inflatable Sup's really is hard work.. I was talking to a very small petite lady the other day that found my 12'6" Glide too heavy for her to carry and I suggested the new 12'6" Naish One for her to buy.. Then I thought about how she would cope pumping it up herself.. I don't think she could do it.. Even I find it very hard..

DJ


This is why I bought a 12' GS touring Naish over the new 12'6" One inflatable.
The thought of having to pump up an inflatable in a hot Qld summer left me cold.
Also like being able to take the board off the roof racks and be out on the water in a few mins flat.
Pardon the puns.
ULI Boards
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20 Jan 2013 11:26pm
Matt18, thanks for your well wishes. We've just had our best 12 months by far in Oz but that's also largely attributed to the popularity of the sport. By 2020 all households in Australia will own a SUP board - wishful thinking but would be nice for business if not the overcrowded beaches.

DJ, agree inflating the boards manually can be a workout. Having said that the new and improved manual ULI pumps are efficient and user friendly (even for females and most kids). In fact we get a lot of customers who have purchased other brands buying our pumps for that reason. The fact they are assembled by hand in the U.S. speaks 'volumes'; pardon the pun .
We too use electric pumps (not ULI manufactured) and have tested many local and international brands in pursuit of the perfect pump. They get to about 14psi and with about 50-60 extra strokes of the manual pump you get to about 17-18psi. Based on experience I would recommend a manual meter pump as opposed to a digital one. Also a single phase over a two phase. The digital and two phase pumps appear less reliable as there is more potential for things to go wrong. The ones we've tested have had extensive use and all bar a couple are still going strong.
Also, i reckon if you try our new 12'6" that "jelly belly" feel you talk about, is not an issue. They are super rigid. The thing with inflatables is that they do take a bit of getting used to underfoot especially if you predominantly ride hardboards.
Sandsy1
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21 Jan 2013 10:47am
Flat water no probs. Have a mate with a couple on their yacht. Would never surf one, no matter how they improve, rail shape, flat area, rocker position etc. are all critical elements for surfing. Over many years I have surfed some dogs of boards and sometimes the difference between a dog and a ripper, can be as simple as fin choices or placement.
Cheers
Sandsy1
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21 Jan 2013 3:35pm
Agree with your comments Sandsy1. Inflatables will probably never be as capable in surf conditions as hard boards no matter how much they evolve. However, they were never designed to be a board for serious competitive surfers. They were designed to be capable enough to be surfed and enjoyed by surfers of all capabilities including advanced surfers (well I speak for ULI Boards at least). At least surfers can travel with the piece of mind of not having to worry about their boards being damaged in transit and know they can still catch waves on an inflatable. Steamroller, our 115kg team rider, is testament to that. Our FAQ is probably the pick of the bunch in the surf.
Cheers
Sandsy1
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21 Jan 2013 3:56pm
ULI Boards said...
Agree with your comments Sandsy1. Inflatables will probably never be as capable in surf conditions as hard boards no matter how much they evolve. However, they were never designed to be a board for serious competitive surfers. They were designed to be capable enough to be surfed and enjoyed by surfers of all capabilities including advanced surfers (well I speak for ULI Boards at least). At least surfers can travel with the piece of mind of not having to worry about their boards being damaged in transit and know they can still catch waves on an inflatable. Steamroller, our 115kg team rider, is testament to that. Our FAQ is probably the pick of the bunch in the surf.
Cheers


Good point. Something for everyone.
antonfourie
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21 Jan 2013 4:18pm
I think that they are going to sell a lot of iSUP's that are going to end up as dust storage devices, hidden behind the box of other "stuff" that is also collecting dust.

I am sure that there are a lot of hard SUP's that do the same, but when you can see the board and it gets in the way every time you go near in garage you are more likely to get it out and use it.

HumanCartoon
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21 Jan 2013 5:20pm
..and then there's river/white water SUP that doesn't get much of a mention here in OZ(yet) but is a big deal elsewhere. In that realm inflatables definitely have their place and would be the weapon of choice for most.
PTWoody
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21 Jan 2013 6:47pm
For those who ultimately opt for a hard board rather than an inflatable because they don't want to have to pump the thing up every time they use it, don't forget, you are not obliged to deflate an inflatable. You can keep it inflated permanently if you want and treat it just as you would a hard board. Tie it to the roofrack inflated and once at the beach, you are good to go.
ULI Boards
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23 Jan 2013 8:52pm
Some awesome footage of ULI's carving up some white water at Rock Run, a class 4 micro-creek down North Central Pennsylvannia.



Also, for anyone interested, ULI will be exhibiting at the Festival of Sails in Geelong (Vic) this Australia Day weekend.

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