chrispy said..

RJK said...

chrispy said...

RJK said...

chrispy said...

Piros said...
Re the shark cull.. Do you all know millions yes Millions of sharks are killed every year just for their fins ? where is the public outcry over this. Targeting sharks in a local hot spots for swimming/surfing works. Having being born on the Gold Coast 50 years ago there has only been one attack in that time. I always remember as a kid shark nets and drums even paddling out to them on my nipper board.

We still get whale migration close to shore every year plus the juvenile whites (around 4m) following them the only thing we are missing is the seals compared to WA. So knocking off a few sharks to save lives is a no brainer for me the Gold Coast is living proof that it works. If you really want to save some sharks stop the relentless finning massacre.

Before the do gooders start putting big hooks in you,I say well said and bravo

I think you'll find those do gooders have been protesting finning for years, and If you look into it there is plenty of public outcry over it.

And you paddled out where to protest against this?
You pointing me towards a web link is laughable...what have YOU done?

I'm not going to uselessly argue points back an forth on seabreaze. I'm not trying to persuade public opinion as I don't know all the facts. I'm not paddling out and honestly don't think doing so will change anything.

Re finning, Personally I have gone directly to the industries in a not so public way to understand the root of the issue and had direct contact with authorities which actually have the power to change it. Additionally I have been apart of founding educational systems that are currently implemented in Queensland schools giving the next generation the actual facts on the shark finning industry which will hopefully change public perception of this industry in the future.

Well surely you can provide a link for all you have done?
You can't use a cop out of the old I'm not going to argue on the internet,when what you have already posted says otherwise...my son goes to school in QLD,where can we find out about what you had implemented? Because he knows nothing about it

chrispy,

I don???t want to compare cocks as I can guarantee yours is bigger.

For some reason you appear to feel very strongly about this issue hence your very direct comments. If you read my comments even the link I posted none of them are directly for or against the drum lines (apart from me stating my position).

As for my personal efforts I do not feel they have changed anything at all however they consists of the following.

Current employment since the foundation of both EarthFX International and Ocean Life Education.

Ocean Life Education goes to multiple schools daily throughout Queensland however as you stated your son has not received this education so this avenue is still in its infancy.

I???m on the board for earth fx international and have attended several international research trips however this is an educational and environmental company not purely focused on marine so not entirely relevant.

I spent 7 years as an aquarist in an aquarium in which education is also a primary focus. (However I do understand the aquarium trade probably does more harm then good)

As I am an ADAS commercial diver I have also been employed by the University of Queensland in which I installed listening stations and hand tagged sharks in order to track their movement along the east coast of Australia. Additionally I have undertaken diving trips utilising Baited Remote Underwater Videos trying to find potential aggregation sites for sharks in order to better understand them.

Having spent my life in Lifesaving I also understand that nets and drum lines will not ???destroy??? the beaches for us surfers.

I know the impact of what I have done is next to nothing however it is all based around gaining knowledge so that an educated solution can be found.

As you state I would like to do more however I???m a university student who in 6 months will be graduating as a chemical engineer and I figured at 24 I will have plenty of time in the future to do more conservation work.

And yes I understand that chemical engineering may be a career path that could have a more disastrous effect to the ecosystem then cutting some fins off a fish.

If you would like more ???proof??? I will pm you my references

My point or 'cop out' as you called it was that arguing the pros and cons of drum lines is several journals in itself, which required educated knowledge to construct. so i will not reply again to this thread

So RJK...you will probably end up in the mining sector

RJK said..

chrispy said..

RJK said...

chrispy said...

RJK said...

chrispy said...

Piros said...
Re the shark cull.. Do you all know millions yes Millions of sharks are killed every year just for their fins ? where is the public outcry over this. Targeting sharks in a local hot spots for swimming/surfing works. Having being born on the Gold Coast 50 years ago there has only been one attack in that time. I always remember as a kid shark nets and drums even paddling out to them on my nipper board.

We still get whale migration close to shore every year plus the juvenile whites (around 4m) following them the only thing we are missing is the seals compared to WA. So knocking off a few sharks to save lives is a no brainer for me the Gold Coast is living proof that it works. If you really want to save some sharks stop the relentless finning massacre.

Before the do gooders start putting big hooks in you,I say well said and bravo

I think you'll find those do gooders have been protesting finning for years, and If you look into it there is plenty of public outcry over it.

And you paddled out where to protest against this?
You pointing me towards a web link is laughable...what have YOU done?

I'm not going to uselessly argue points back an forth on seabreaze. I'm not trying to persuade public opinion as I don't know all the facts. I'm not paddling out and honestly don't think doing so will change anything.

Re finning, Personally I have gone directly to the industries in a not so public way to understand the root of the issue and had direct contact with authorities which actually have the power to change it. Additionally I have been apart of founding educational systems that are currently implemented in Queensland schools giving the next generation the actual facts on the shark finning industry which will hopefully change public perception of this industry in the future.

Well surely you can provide a link for all you have done?
You can't use a cop out of the old I'm not going to argue on the internet,when what you have already posted says otherwise...my son goes to school in QLD,where can we find out about what you had implemented? Because he knows nothing about it

chrispy,

I don???t want to compare cocks as I can guarantee yours is bigger.

For some reason you appear to feel very strongly about this issue hence your very direct comments. If you read my comments even the link I posted none of them are directly for or against the drum lines (apart from me stating my position).

As for my personal efforts I do not feel they have changed anything at all however they consists of the following.

Current employment since the foundation of both EarthFX International and Ocean Life Education.

Ocean Life Education goes to multiple schools daily throughout Queensland however as you stated your son has not received this education so this avenue is still in its infancy.

I???m on the board for earth fx international and have attended several international research trips however this is an educational and environmental company not purely focused on marine so not entirely relevant.

I spent 7 years as an aquarist in an aquarium in which education is also a primary focus. (However I do understand the aquarium trade probably does more harm then good)

As I am an ADAS commercial diver I have also been employed by the University of Queensland in which I installed listening stations and hand tagged sharks in order to track their movement along the east coast of Australia. Additionally I have undertaken diving trips utilising Baited Remote Underwater Videos trying to find potential aggregation sites for sharks in order to better understand them.

Having spent my life in Lifesaving I also understand that nets and drum lines will not ???destroy??? the beaches for us surfers.

I know the impact of what I have done is next to nothing however it is all based around gaining knowledge so that an educated solution can be found.

As you state I would like to do more however I???m a university student who in 6 months will be graduating as a chemical engineer and I figured at 24 I will have plenty of time in the future to do more conservation work.

And yes I understand that chemical engineering may be a career path that could have a more disastrous effect to the ecosystem then cutting some fins off a fish.

If you would like more ???proof??? I will pm you my references

My point or 'cop out' as you called it was that arguing the pros and cons of drum lines is several journals in itself, which required educated knowledge to construct. so i will not reply again to this thread

Chrispy you just got told!

cel23 said...

RJK said..

chrispy said..

RJK said...

chrispy said...

RJK said...

chrispy said...

Piros said...
Re the shark cull.. Do you all know millions yes Millions of sharks are killed every year just for their fins ? where is the public outcry over this. Targeting sharks in a local hot spots for swimming/surfing works. Having being born on the Gold Coast 50 years ago there has only been one attack in that time. I always remember as a kid shark nets and drums even paddling out to them on my nipper board.

We still get whale migration close to shore every year plus the juvenile whites (around 4m) following them the only thing we are missing is the seals compared to WA. So knocking off a few sharks to save lives is a no brainer for me the Gold Coast is living proof that it works. If you really want to save some sharks stop the relentless finning massacre.

Before the do gooders start putting big hooks in you,I say well said and bravo

I think you'll find those do gooders have been protesting finning for years, and If you look into it there is plenty of public outcry over it.

And you paddled out where to protest against this?
You pointing me towards a web link is laughable...what have YOU done?

I'm not going to uselessly argue points back an forth on seabreaze. I'm not trying to persuade public opinion as I don't know all the facts. I'm not paddling out and honestly don't think doing so will change anything.

Re finning, Personally I have gone directly to the industries in a not so public way to understand the root of the issue and had direct contact with authorities which actually have the power to change it. Additionally I have been apart of founding educational systems that are currently implemented in Queensland schools giving the next generation the actual facts on the shark finning industry which will hopefully change public perception of this industry in the future.

Well surely you can provide a link for all you have done?
You can't use a cop out of the old I'm not going to argue on the internet,when what you have already posted says otherwise...my son goes to school in QLD,where can we find out about what you had implemented? Because he knows nothing about it

chrispy,

I don???t want to compare cocks as I can guarantee yours is bigger.

For some reason you appear to feel very strongly about this issue hence your very direct comments. If you read my comments even the link I posted none of them are directly for or against the drum lines (apart from me stating my position).

As for my personal efforts I do not feel they have changed anything at all however they consists of the following.

Current employment since the foundation of both EarthFX International and Ocean Life Education.

Ocean Life Education goes to multiple schools daily throughout Queensland however as you stated your son has not received this education so this avenue is still in its infancy.

I???m on the board for earth fx international and have attended several international research trips however this is an educational and environmental company not purely focused on marine so not entirely relevant.

I spent 7 years as an aquarist in an aquarium in which education is also a primary focus. (However I do understand the aquarium trade probably does more harm then good)

As I am an ADAS commercial diver I have also been employed by the University of Queensland in which I installed listening stations and hand tagged sharks in order to track their movement along the east coast of Australia. Additionally I have undertaken diving trips utilising Baited Remote Underwater Videos trying to find potential aggregation sites for sharks in order to better understand them.

Having spent my life in Lifesaving I also understand that nets and drum lines will not ???destroy??? the beaches for us surfers.

I know the impact of what I have done is next to nothing however it is all based around gaining knowledge so that an educated solution can be found.

As you state I would like to do more however I???m a university student who in 6 months will be graduating as a chemical engineer and I figured at 24 I will have plenty of time in the future to do more conservation work.

And yes I understand that chemical engineering may be a career path that could have a more disastrous effect to the ecosystem then cutting some fins off a fish.

If you would like more ???proof??? I will pm you my references

My point or 'cop out' as you called it was that arguing the pros and cons of drum lines is several journals in itself, which required educated knowledge to construct. so i will not reply again to this thread

Chrispy you just got told!

Ummm and you said what? Just keep in your box if you have nothing to offer except I got told.another dickhead that adds nothing pffft:P]

Rjk,I take my hat off to you if what you post and what your doing is not a myth....yet being in the sector you are heading in,well I hope you can keep your moral ideals over the ones that will line your pockets...hard choices ahead.....





And you are right...my cock would be way bigger

Back to sharks...I'm glad I Surf on the goldy than WA...our measures seem to be working more than what is over there atm...my biggest fear are the kooks riding mctavish longboards and Brazo tourists,sharks are welcome

Thanks for your initial point of view Marcus but as usual the thread got hijacked by knobs who think there Kelly slater behind a keyboard. Boo hoo.

Scotty Mac said..

Thanks for your initial point of view Marcus but as usual the thread got hijacked by knobs who think there Kelly slater behind a keyboard. Boo hoo.

I'd rather be Mick Fanning anyway.
Kelly Slater pffft

Scotty Mac said..

Thanks for your initial point of view Marcus but as usual the thread got hijacked by knobs who think there Kelly slater behind a keyboard. Boo hoo.

hijack pffffft what have you done other than call people knobs..your a D!ckhead behind a keyboard.

weiry said..


now back to the original post.Marcus your poster mentions the words shark cull

so when has the WA government announced the cull or are you suspecting it

+ you have mention your dislike to shark drums and this rally will be across the nation so it will be of interest to us.. WE Queenslanders live with these protections (drums)in place ATM

and a Farkn lot of us like it that way.is your rally against shark drums if so why would you or other people from other states think

queenslanders wouldn't want their families safety jeopardised.

no im not kelly slater but i dont want DH's from SA telling me I'm hyjacking a post when my family could get shafted.

hey if you guys are Soooooooooooooooooo passionate about sharks thats farkn great.but how about coming up with some ways of saving some

westen australians life. we have in Queensland so Fark off.

well said and thanks for standing up - interesting how we can live in a "regulated" world where nothing is as nature intended anymore; as for morality we slaughter fish, animals and birds to feed our faces but if a few sharks gets killed in the name of safety some get their knickers in a knot whom I hate to break the news to but by just being alive you impact on the environment one way or another

dralyagmas said...
I am jumping in saying that these "deterrents" do not work. Here is my advice to WA government.

Suggesting that they do work because there hasn't been a fatality at these beaches is crap. They don't do these deterrents around thousands of locations in Aus who also have not had a fatality. Using the same logic me chanting twinkle twinkle at these locations also prevents shark attacks.



In response to your proposal to bait shark lines off metro Perth beaches. Please reconsider not only for the fact that this could result in culling of an endangered species but also for the fact that this will result in a potential enormous legal liability issue for the WA State government. The reality is that you will not keep people out of the water enjoying the beautiful beaches, particularly with summer conditions and events such as "the Doctor" ski race on in January. Your proposal to bait hooks will attract sharks (as it's intended) however I put it to you that what will the government's response be if you have attracted the sharks but before they are hooked, they kill a person in the water. If this happens then the logical and probably legal response would be to suggest that the government has contributed to the fatality and should pay compensation, whether this legal argument is substantiated in courts is irrelevant when the media run the story.

I strongly suggest you find a more sustainable solution not just for the significant weight of scientific evidence suggesting that it won't work but also for the potential media and legal ramifications of significantly increasing risk to swimmers while baits are in place.

Um those words again...suggestions pffft culling,come on how is it culling? More propaganda and not any substance again....the guys over here on the goldy run the 12 towers race....nobody eaten yet...if we did not have preventive measures that we have in place,well maybe it could be the other way....propaganda goes both ways

weiry said..

dralyagmas said..

I am jumping in saying that these "deterrents" do not work. Here is my advice to WA government.

Suggesting that they do work because there hasn't been a fatality at these beaches is crap. They don't do these deterrents around thousands of locations in Aus who also have not had a fatality. Using the same logic me chanting twinkle twinkle at these locations also prevents shark attacks.



In response to your proposal to bait shark lines off metro Perth beaches. Please reconsider not only for the fact that this could result in culling of an endangered species but also for the fact that this will result in a potential enormous legal liability issue for the WA State government. The reality is that you will not keep people out of the water enjoying the beautiful beaches, particularly with summer conditions and events such as "the Doctor" ski race on in January. Your proposal to bait hooks will attract sharks (as it's intended) however I put it to you that what will the government's response be if you have attracted the sharks but before they are hooked, they kill a person in the water. If this happens then the logical and probably legal response would be to suggest that the government has contributed to the fatality and should pay compensation, whether this legal argument is substantiated in courts is irrelevant when the media run the story.

I strongly suggest you find a more sustainable solution not just for the significant weight of scientific evidence suggesting that it won't work but also for the potential media and legal ramifications of significantly increasing risk to swimmers while baits are in place.

hahahah.... i this and i that, my advice for this.
fact about this fact about that, so whats your background with shark drums champ.

No experience with shark drums but I am a senior marine scientist within government, I regularly see through propaganda bull **** whether it be for the fishing/aquaculture industry, or from mining or from the conservation sector. I invite you to do some research and show ANY respected marine scientist who thinks that this proposal is a good idea. Ditto with nets or shoot to kill policies.

This is why I refer to MY OPINION as "I this and I that" I am not regurgitating crap I heard on the beach. The above statement what what I sent to the WA premier not to knobs on here I was just showing my support

dralyagmas said..
... culling of an endangered species ...

It's not culling. They are not endangered.

dralyagmas said..
... if you have attracted the sharks ...

... significantly increasing risk to swimmers while baits are in place.

The sharks are already there. They already regularly trip the receivers, which are placed less than 1km from shore. They are already regularly sighted from the beach and by swimmers and surfers inshore.

I wasn't going to post again but this is still running. First up I'm not a shoot and destroy on the whites. I'm actually a greeny when it comes to the ocean. The WA Government have spent tons of cash on research over the last couple of years to try understand what is going on. We are seeing whale populations migrate past our beaches in such large numbers never seen before by our generation. Whale stocks are getting back to what they used to be prior to the early 1900's slaughter.Tuna and fish stocks are still getting slammed so the whites now follow the whales for their food chain and it's the whales that are bringing in the whites to our beaches.

It's not a cull , if it was a cull fisherman would be given tags and could hunt the whites. They are simply setting traps for the sharks that come too close. The shark lines are wire and sharks can detect the electrolysis on the wire. It's only the hungry ones that will take the bait. What else is there but to set these traps to try and stop the deaths. Train ninja dolphins to drive the sharks away or set up an electronic pinning system to scare the whites and send the whales insane. We are not talking crocs where you can relocate them , these whites are migrating predators that snack along the way and unfortunately for us we have become one of those snacks or a taste.

The drum lines work you only have to go just a touch South of the Gold Coast in Qld to Northern NSW where they have no shark protection and the shark attacks sky rocket. I'm all for a better solution but I'm yet to see one. IMHO

RJK said..

Whites are vulnerable.

(...some irrelevant stuff ...)

????vulnerable (VU) ??? a species considered to be facing a high risk of extinction in the wild

Vulnerable is a different category to endangered.

We probably should stop calling them shark attacks for starters. Seems most incidents are cases of mistaken identity. Facts are hundreds of thousands of people die every day for all manner of reasons and very few of them are by shark ATTACK. I personally don't agree with netting or drumlines , but at the same time I wouldn't surf in high risk places or times when sharks are most active.

Kakkerlak said..

teatrea said..
We probably should stop calling them shark attacks for starters. Seems most incidents are cases of mistaken identity. Facts are hundreds of thousands of people die every day for all manner of reasons and very few of them are by shark ATTACK. I personally don't agree with netting or drumlines , but at the same time I wouldn't surf in high risk places or times when sharks are most active.

I get the sh!ts every time I hear the statement ???mistaken identity???
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/wedge-island-jet-skier-praised-for-bravery-in-shark-attack/story-fnhocxo3-1226768000878
a shark circling, observing and then attacking just to return and fight of a jetski to finish of the remains could not have made a mistake in identity
www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/inquest-into-2012-fatal-shark-attack-on-ben-linden-near-wedge-island/story-fnhocxo3-1226738487641
this shark was hungry and hanged in the area for days, maybe a drum line could have saved his life

What about this line "Surfers in the area had noticed a large great white shark lurking in the area for about four days prior to Mr Linden's death, nicknaming the beast "Brutus'' due its size." maybe if we had a warning system or authorities are notified and the animal harassed away from the area he may still be alive. If their where drumlins maybe more sharks could be attracted to the area. Any way lots of maybe's statistics and what if's.