Tips on getting out in the big stuff please

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BennyB12
BennyB12
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9 Oct 2012 5:24am
Sorry if it's been covered before. How do you get over big whitewash without the board smacking you in the face or being flipped rodeo style?
I've searched the tube but if anyone has a link to a vid or good advice that would be awesome. Ta...
DavidJohn
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9 Oct 2012 8:36am
Good question.. My tip would be timing.. Wait on the beach for a lull.. Then go,go,go..

Even if it means missing lots of good waves while you wait.. and on a big day that wait could be a long one..

DJ
BennyB12
BennyB12
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9 Oct 2012 8:18am
Ok Dave thanks but not really what I was after. Your always gonna get caught inside at one point or another... So how is it done?
teatrea
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9 Oct 2012 8:31am
when the white water gets above a certain size , you cant punch over or through it , you just have to bail and rely on your leggy.Dive deep and then relax and let the wave drag you for a bit.Obviousley you should pick a path out with no other surfers behind you.
Sailhack
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9 Oct 2012 10:46am
After having to surf a local beach break with a stinker of a sandbar this year and facing head-high whitewash, teatrea's on the money.

If it's a bit big to ride over, I try to jump over the whitewash and have found that most times my board will follow and ride over the wash - I also lose less ground. If it's too big to jump over, I bail just before the wave & drop a couple of feet under the surface with my legs tucked up. If I'm not on my board, I'll slide the board at the wave as hard as I can & duck under (shoot it on a bit of an angle so it doesn't come straight back at you).

As soon as I feel tension on my leggy, I slowly let my leg (and body) straighten to try to take some pressure off the chord. Once I think I've been dragged a bit, I'll either use my paddle as a break or turn my body & start to retrieve my leggy & do it again until there's a lull in the set or I get past the bar.

Where I normally do this is >100m from any surfers so the worst that can happen is a snapped leggy & swim. If the beach was crowded I would probably go elsewhere for a sup.

Jradedmondo
Jradedmondo
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9 Oct 2012 1:48pm
i find if the waves are on the bigger side if you flick your board up at the waves coming you can flick your board over the wave and if it doesn't make it you normally dont get dragged as much, waiting for a lull also works as well but can be a while, i normally try and get as far out when the sets come, normally paddling on my stomach and then paddle like hell after the set, a few different ways, they all mightn't work for you or a combination might

Jarryd
dtm
dtm
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9 Oct 2012 1:48pm
Just lie down put your head down and go for it when u can get a break if the white wash is to big it's really hard to paddle over but switching to surf stance right before the white wash hits u helps alot .... I don't really have much footage of it exept this old vid of goatman at about the 4.45 min mark there is some good paddle out bits ? Hope this helps ... See link below and it's the vid titled
Goatman riding 8'8 Dtm custom
No pimp intended just trying to help cheers Dan
www.dtmsup.com/videos.html
AA
AA
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9 Oct 2012 3:28pm
Getting as much of myself and the board over the other side of the wave is what works for me.

Up to chest/shoulder high. Its worth paddling/popping over even if you fall cos 9/10 you will be up over it by the time you fall.... and sometimes you make it - no better feeling! You get more of a kick with full nose boards so get in the surf stance and be ready for the slap.

Shoulder high and up. Flicking the board over the whitewater works a treat and you then dive under - no drag and it is waiting for you on the other side.

Big and sucky - dive deep and get ready to have your leg pulled off!

If you lying down a Nipper pop-over works well. It is like an ollie - bury the tail and flick up and over with the rebound.

Happy days
akhawk
akhawk
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9 Oct 2012 1:14pm
Or do it like this
Dexy
Dexy
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9 Oct 2012 5:28pm
Wow! Kai Lenny the Kelly Slater of SUPing. Freak.
Maroubra SUP
Maroubra SUP
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9 Oct 2012 10:11pm
Yep, I agree with all the above. Good to have a variety of approaches cos no two situations are exactly the same.

Another technique is on the IK10 DVD where IK is sprinting full bore into the wall of whitewater, and a board length before impact, he steps forward, buries the nose like the start of a duckdive... he takes a stroke... then dives into the base of the whitewater wall. He goes under the wall like a bodysurfer, with the legrope pulling the tail of the board up and over the whitewater. Tried it once and it worked. But only works for the first wave, cos if there's sets behind, your already off your board.

Need to make sure that no-one's behind or beside you.
Maroubra SUP
Maroubra SUP
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9 Oct 2012 10:12pm
Yep, I agree with all the above. Good to have a variety of approaches cos no two situations are exactly the same.

Another technique is on the IK10 DVD where IK is sprinting full bore into the wall of whitewater, and a board length before impact, he steps forward, buries the nose like the start of a duckdive... he takes a stroke... then dives into the base of the whitewater wall. He goes under the wall like a bodysurfer, with the legrope pulling the tail of the board up and over the whitewater. Tried it once and it worked. But only works for the first wave, cos if there's sets behind, your already off your board.

Need to make sure that no-one's behind or beside you.
ChrisClarke1
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9 Oct 2012 11:58pm
What I agree with flicking the board over the whitewater if it's over 4', then you won't get dragged back by the wave. If you can get straight up again, do it again if needed or if you can't get back up, stick the blade of the paddle under your chest and paddle like hell straight at the wave, then put your head down and hold on tight. Paddling on your stomach will only work up to 4' and over that you will need to bail out.

If you go at the wave on a angle, the board will be picked up and push backwards.

Waves 4' and under you can paddle over with your surfing stance, make sure you have pressure on your paddle while going over the wave.

Cheers
WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
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9 Oct 2012 10:41pm
Find a reefy with a channel! I'm over getting pummeled by beachies....
BennyB12
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10 Oct 2012 4:52am
Cheers. Nice one.
jhetrick
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10 Oct 2012 3:34am
The best success I've found is to switch into a surfing stance and push down on your back foot right before the whitewater hits you. Get as much speed as you can and sometimes you can pop right over it.

I've watched Laird do this over 8 foot tall whitewater, but of course, he is a freak of nature.

It's actually really fun popping over waves this way.
buzzard
buzzard
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10 Oct 2012 6:20am
Jhetrick has it right, this is a fun way to get over the wash. Sort of like an Ollie when skateboarding.

Alternatively and if you have no shame , paddle on your knees between waves!

roachy
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10 Oct 2012 3:44pm
i suggest you build a handsfree paddle holder , for one so you can dive deep under waves and swim, plus you can get back on your board in between sets alot quicker and prone paddle till your in the clear , this is my attempt , i have tried a few experiments.


teatrea
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10 Oct 2012 4:31pm
jhetrick said...
The best success I've found is to switch into a surfing stance and push down on your back foot right before the whitewater hits you. Get as much speed as you can and sometimes you can pop right over it.

I've watched Laird do this over 8 foot tall whitewater, but of course, he is a freak of nature.

It's actually really fun popping over waves this way.


This is a good way to end up with a broken nose or forearm.Definately can do this up to a certain size , but you asking for trouble trying it in big surf , expecially if it is powerfull too. Yep Laird might be able to do it
GizzieNZ
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10 Oct 2012 3:03pm
Harden up
colas
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10 Oct 2012 3:57pm
green menace said...
i suggest you build a handsfree paddle holder , for one so you can dive deep under waves and swim, plus you can get back on your board in between sets alot quicker and prone paddle till your in the clear , this is my attempt , i have tried a few experiments.



You have another system here by Gong in March 2009: http://www.gongsup.com/+GEAR-real-Paddelsurfing-on-GONG+.html
www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=3501.0
www.gongsup.com/+GEAR-paddleclip-with-GONG-surf+.html
In French: jpaction.over-blog.com/article-30240067.html
roachy
roachy
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12 Oct 2012 7:30am
Great idea Colas had seen it before attached to your boardies or belt ,funny on a wetsuit, the paddlle whacks your legs when the foam hits you though , mine keeps the paddle away from your legs and swivels . Have seen the one where you clip it to the leggie , this ends up smashing your board . Lets face it in certain situations a big plus !!!!!
LateStarter
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12 Oct 2012 9:35am
There are heaps of different ideas on the best way to get out the back in the big stuff.

When its really big, i find that board selection is key - so i prefer to choose something shorter and more manouverable. Around the 6'0 mark, going slightly longer if its overhead.

To date, i have found amazing benefits from making the right board choice. Benefits such as being able to paddle prone, duckdive under the whitewash, I can leave my battle axe (paddle) at home and challenge myself to surf properly and most importantly i'm no longer a hazard to myself and everybody else in the lineup.

goatman
goatman
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12 Oct 2012 1:00pm
LateStarter said...
There are heaps of different ideas on the best way to get out the back in the big stuff.

When its really big, i find that board selection is key - so i prefer to choose something shorter and more manouverable. Around the 6'0 mark, going slightly longer if its overhead.

To date, i have found amazing benefits from making the right board choice. Benefits such as being able to paddle prone, duckdive under the whitewash, I can leave my battle axe (paddle) at home and challenge myself to surf properly and most importantly i'm no longer a hazard to myself and everybody else in the lineup.




Another Legion in the making perhaps? What is it with Perth shortboarders, small man wave syndrome?

There is a large thread on this topic from a month or so back with more detailed stuff in it, a quick search should find it.
russh
russh
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12 Oct 2012 3:29pm
LateStarter said...
There are heaps of different ideas on the best way to get out the back in the big stuff.

When its really big, i find that board selection is key - so i prefer to choose something shorter and more manouverable. Around the 6'0 mark, going slightly longer if its overhead.

To date, i have found amazing benefits from making the right board choice. Benefits such as being able to paddle prone, duckdive under the whitewash, I can leave my battle axe (paddle) at home and challenge myself to surf properly and most importantly i'm no longer a hazard to myself and everybody else in the lineup.




Any kook can paddle out on a short board
Sailhack
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12 Oct 2012 4:42pm
russh said...
Any kook can paddle out on a short board


This kook can't...got a bung shoulder from footy (not much good above head), that's what got me interested in sup.
LateStarter
LateStarter
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12 Oct 2012 2:11pm
russh said...
Any kook can paddle out on a short board


True that.

However I've never seen a shortboard that weighs twenty kilos, nor have I ever witnessed one break a leggy and wipe out an entire surf school full of children.

E T
E T
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12 Oct 2012 4:17pm
What starts with W, ends in ER and has ANK in the middle?
Oh yes, Johnny Utah. Oh by the way I never could spell.
ET.
doggie
doggie
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12 Oct 2012 2:24pm
LateStarter said...
russh said...
Any kook can paddle out on a short board


True that.

However I've never seen a shortboard that weighs twenty kilos, nor have I ever witnessed one break a leggy and wipe out an entire surf school full of children.




So frickin true
doggie
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12 Oct 2012 2:25pm
E T said...
What starts with W, ends in ER and has ANK in the middle?
Oh yes, Johnny Utah. Oh by the way I never could spell.
ET.


Go home ET lol



teatrea
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12 Oct 2012 4:25pm
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