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DavidJohn
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21 Aug 2010 7:49am
Have a read of this.. www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/everybodys-gone-surfing-but-the-hawaiian-purists-are-upset-2057295.html

DJ

The Beach Boys started it. Not the falsetto West Coast songsters of "Surfing USA", but the Hawaiian watermen who still act as board caddies and gurus to visiting mid-managers and their families in from Des Moines, trying out the forgiving waves of Waikiki for the first time. Back in the late 1950s they would paddle out to the break and tow the tourists into position. But they needed a way of getting out there with a camera and a cigarette too. So stand-up paddleboarding, or SUP, was born. The original beach boys would equip themselves with not just a long, wide board but a wooden paddle, and would then use it to steer around the break, into and out of the waves, remaining upright all or most of the time.


Now a new SUP craze is sweeping not just Hawaii but the rest of the US and beyond. Little athletic ability is required andalmost anyone - Jennifer Aniston and Cindy Crawford are among those who have been spotted trying - can do it. But not everybody is enamoured, and purists have dismissed the craze as "cheating."

Ironically, it was Dave Kalama, a professional big-wave surfer, and Laird Hamilton - star of the Hollywood surf movie Riding Giants - who were instrumental in the modern resurrection of the sport. There is fanciful talk that it used to be one of the ancient Hawaiian recreations, harking back to the era of the ali'i (or "kings", which is why Jack London, the American author who made surfing famous, used to refer to it as "the sport of kings").

Even surfing icons and big-wave kings like Gerry Lopez, nicknamed "Mr Pipeline" for his mastery of the terrifying Hawaiian North Shore waves, is a convert to what he calls a "mellower" mode. For anyone who has tried the classical form, one great advantage is that no leap of faith in your own ability is required to switch from prone to standing. What makes the paddleboard even more appealing is that it works with or without waves. "All you need is water," Lopez says.

But purists are leading a backlash. SUP practitioners have bigger, longer, boards and an extra tool; they can catch the wave sooner; and they hog the break, say the critics. The tensions have led to a summer of near conflict on the beaches as expert paddle boarders muscle in on the bigger surf and collisions or dangerous near-misses become more frequent. Parts of California have banned SUP and on Long Island (SUP has been designated the unofficial summer sport of The Hamptons) posters and bumper stickers have appeared with a red cross drawn through a cartoon image of a stand-up surfer in a clown outfit.

Bodo van der Leeden, Captain of Lifeguards on the North Shore of Oahu in Hawaii, says stand-up paddlers are responsible for most emergency call-outs. Now, with clashes between SUP-ers and surfers a daily hazard, the lifeguards have started to introduce segregation. "It's basic traffic control," Captain van der Leeden says.

Matt Warshaw, author of The Encyclopedia of Surfing and (forthcoming) The History of Surfing, says the backlash against the "lazy" form has little to do with the purity or otherwise of SUP riding and more to do with rivalry. "Every surfer is half-starved for waves. Which means they're frustrated, which means they're looking for somebody or something to blame. The SUP guys, literally and figuratively, stand out from the crowd, and are the easiest target."
Greenroom
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21 Aug 2010 8:53am

WE RULE!

Radman
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21 Aug 2010 9:02am
i heard a shortboarder singing row row row ya boat gently up the stream, im sure it was directed at me the only sup on the water,gotta laugh, proceeded in catching many waves he stopped singing after that sups do rule greeny.........
Gorgo
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21 Aug 2010 11:50am
Old age and treachery will always defeat youth and enthusiasm.
boylos
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21 Aug 2010 11:57am
Radman said...

i heard a shortboarder singing row row row ya boat gently up the stream, im sure it was directed at me the only sup on the water,gotta laugh, proceeded in catching many waves he stopped singing after that sups do rule greeny.........


I gotta admit that's a good one!

Boylos
PTWoody
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21 Aug 2010 1:28pm
Interesting article. No doubt SUPs are getting blamed for every incompetent surfer unable to catch a wave. Gotta blame someone.
Newmo
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21 Aug 2010 2:07pm
Gorgo said...

Old age and treachery will always defeat youth and enthusiasm.


I just love that.
petemc
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21 Aug 2010 2:37pm
Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do.
towball
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21 Aug 2010 1:16pm
Radman said...

i heard a shortboarder singing row row row ya boat gently up the stream, im sure it was directed at me the only sup on the water,gotta laugh, proceeded in catching many waves he stopped singing after that sups do rule greeny.........


When I started with my 11'6" southpoint I got asked if it came with an anchor ,I offer them to have go , that shuts them they can't do it if they do try they look like dicks . Thats the point you can't just do it so they rubbish us .
Bnaccas
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22 Aug 2010 12:11am
I saw a mates wave today that was a little typical. He took off wider and a shortboarder took off deep.
The shortboarder was stuck in the white water until he eventually fell off and Matt surfed for another
maybe 40m. When the shortboarder paddled back out his mate asked him "how was that wave?" and he
replied "the faarken paddleboarder got in my way!"

That wasn't the case at all but it was an easy excuse.
loco4olas
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22 Aug 2010 6:10am
There is no we-no us and them.

Where I come from we're all surfers.

I shortboard way more than SUP and-in summer, I kitesurf (a surfboard) way more than either.

It's just another way to surf.

Start buying in on the "us and them" and you're headed down a slippery slope of segregation and bullsh1t.
JB
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22 Aug 2010 8:20am
loco4olas said...

There is no we-no us and them.

Where I come from we're all surfers.

I shortboard way more than SUP and-in summer, I kitesurf (a surfboard) way more than either.

It's just another way to surf.

Start buying in on the "us and them" and you're headed down a slippery slope of segregation and bullsh1t.


100% Correct. Like Loco, I cross many disciplines to enjoy the ocean. And the use of the them/Us/you is just buying into the hype. It is unfortunate that SUP has made it possible for Bobby whitewater who's tried to ride a shortboard or Mal for the last ten years unsuccessfully to actually get out in the lineup and give it a go (usually disastrously), as he's probably never had the time and effort given to him to lean etiquette and he's had to fight for his pissy little 5m white rides all his surfing courier which he brings with him into SUP. SUP has opened the door for many others to enjoy the ocean with us, and we must remember that we are all surfing at the end of the day, and all have the right to do so. Some people just need a nice friendly piece of advice, as it's generally not the board (SUP or other) that is the problem here! You will generally find that you can Shortboard, Longboard, SUP, Kiteboard, Sailboard and if it has to come to it even bodyboard at any beach as long as you use some common sense and ride with in your ability (this may mean choosing not to ride a certain craft). I personally do not seem to have any/many issues with riding what I find appropriate every time I ride. When you get the smart arse comment, or cheap dig, have a think about what the bloke is thinking, maybe you are hogging waves, maybe your wasting waves? and sometimes the person hurling the abuse is the same guy who screamed out in the parking lot at a car for not being the right make/model, and will sling Shyt at anything/one to make him/her feel good and not worth taking on board.

It's articles such as this topic that are regurgitation from an earlier edition slinging abuse at mals or goatboats or anything else someone can use to try and put down so it's not so obvious that they're a looser!

Love the ocean, be good to her, be good to others who love her too.
And she will love you back 10 fold.

JB
62mac
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22 Aug 2010 6:57am
Bnaccas said...

I saw a mates wave today that was a little typical. He took off wider and a shortboarder took off deep.
The shortboarder was stuck in the white water until he eventually fell off and Matt surfed for another
maybe 40m. When the shortboarder paddled back out his mate asked him "how was that wave?" and he
replied "the faarken paddleboarder got in my way!"

That wasn't the case at all but it was an easy excuse.


Bnaccas, not having a go here but this came to mind, maybe your mate taking off wider made the wave break in front of the shortboader which destroyed is wave I"ve seen this thousands of times,people dropping in way wide and making the wave crumble for the person behind.
hilly
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22 Aug 2010 7:28am
Agree sups taking off wide early piss everyone off. The windsurfing background of first up and riding have right of way is wrong. Deepest closest to the breaking part of the wave has right of way.
DavidJohn
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22 Aug 2010 9:39am
hilly said...

Agree sups taking off wide early piss everyone off. The windsurfing background of first up and riding have right of way is wrong. Deepest closest to the breaking part of the wave has right of way.


I don't see anything wrong with being way out off the shoulder ready to take it if they stuff up their take off and a wave goes by waisted.. and as far as a person dropping in way wide and making the wave crumble for the person behind.. well IMO that depends on the type of wave.. With the waves that we had at Pines yesterday it would have little or no effect.

DJ

62mac
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22 Aug 2010 8:05am
I learnt my lesson years ago about dropping in way way wide at d-bah,a guy who was well known for his agro and beatings dished out in and out of the water took off at the south wall and I was seating mid beach and made my mind up to go knowing who was on the wave and his chancer's very very slim of making it through.To my horror he did,so I got the F off that one and paddled back out,he paddled past and said do it again and your dead meat.I was lucky as this guy would normally gone the biff.

Lesson learnt without

First up has right away
Gorgo
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22 Aug 2010 10:58am
hilly said...

Agree sups taking off wide early piss everyone off. The windsurfing background of first up and riding have right of way is wrong. Deepest closest to the breaking part of the wave has right of way.


I agree, but it is part of surfing skill to be in the right place to catch the wave. There's no point being on the inside and first to your feet if you're not going to make it out.

Pines has two peaks on the inner break. The first one gets you a bit of a ride but closes out. There's no way you can make it from that section to the next.

The good guys take the inner peak and it hollows up for a nice ride all the way to the end.

The two peaks are a fair way apart so you can take off on the outer one, get a couple of turns in then bail. The inner one is the good one.
hilly
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22 Aug 2010 11:02am
You can justify your specific circumstances all you like.

SUP's stand out like dogs balls. Paddling onto the shoulder of a wave pisses people off no matter what the situation inside you is. You crumble the wave, look kooky, head straight at the shortboarders paddling out and most supers who do it do not look inside they have their head down and paddle for every wave.

That is why we have a bad name.

Experienced surfers need to point this out as most of them have no idea they are pissing people off.
jenkz
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22 Aug 2010 1:34pm
hilly said...

You can justify your specific circumstances all you like.

SUP's stand out like dogs balls. Paddling onto the shoulder of a wave pisses people off no matter what the situation inside you is. You crumble the wave, look kooky, head straight at the shortboarders paddling out and most supers who do it do not look inside they have their head down and paddle for every wave.

That is why we have a bad name.

Experienced surfers need to point this out as most of them have no idea they are pissing people off.


You have to sit out on the shoulder at first though Hilly. Paddling straight out to the prime spot is one sure way of raising the hackles of everyone else out there.
You have to work your way in, as you said we stand out so whatever we do has to be done right.
Legion
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22 Aug 2010 11:53pm
Some informative comments in this thread. I'm impressed (by some).
charlieuk
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23 Aug 2010 7:27am
must be prity lucky over here it seams this summer has seen a big increase in the number of sup's and i would have thought every one would be getting pissed at us but i think ive only been slitly moaned at by one or two people and they have been eater grump old longboarders who moan at anything or kooks on shortboards who cant catch a wave. ive had countless comments from shortboarders eater cheering me on to waves or around the suggestions of i wish i was on a sup it looks light the right board to be on and more fun. ges we must be luckey over here or we have this all to come fingers crossed we dont
VALI62
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23 Aug 2010 1:26pm
Usually it comes down to common sense, most of us on sups probably have a surfing background and know how to behave, but saying we are all lazy wave hogs is like saying all shortboarders are agro & abusive. Its just not true but there are a small number in both camps that tend to ruin the harmony for everyone. Like loco said we are all surfers, and we are all out there for one thing lets just get on and enjoy.
hilly
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23 Aug 2010 12:57pm
For Doggie and Legion


boarder paul
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62mac said...

I learnt my lesson years ago about dropping in way way wide at d-bah,a guy who was well known for his agro and beatings dished out in and out of the water took off at the south wall and I was seating mid beach and made my mind up to go knowing who was on the wave and his chancer's very very slim of making it through.To my horror he did,so I got the F off that one and paddled back out,he paddled past and said do it again and your dead meat.I was lucky as this guy would normally gone the biff.

Lesson learnt without

First up has right away


Give the biff back Ummm Unless it a big brick **** house like OG sup of piros then im ummm yea i wont do it again please dont bash the **** out of me
doggie
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23 Aug 2010 2:26pm
Watched with interest while out for a paddle a couple of weekends ago, a SUPer down at Triggs 3rds. He was about 50m away from me so he didnt bother me at all and he was good on the SUP and mostly surfing waves by himself. I have no problem with what people ride BTW.
Then he went for a paddle away from where I was down a bit further and while he was doing this some LBs & SBs paddled out onto this bank and started surfing it.
Then the SUPer decided to come back. All good untill he took a set wave and rode through the pack back at the bank where he was before sending everyone else scambling to get out of his way. Then he decided that it was our turn. I went in after he nearly cleaned one of us up.

There was plenty of space for everybody that day but he had mow through a pack and piss alot of people off. We cant move as fast as you guys can and this is the type of stuff that gives you guys a bad name. The thing is it was obvious that he was a good surfer but just decided to surf where ever he felt.

Good skills or bad, what ever surf craft we ALL need to be respected.

Rant over.

Flame suit on
worrier
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23 Aug 2010 4:38pm
(Good skills or bad, what ever surf craft we ALL need to be respected.

Rant over.

Flame suit on )

Fair comment doggie
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doggie
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24 Aug 2010 5:50pm
worrier said...

(Good skills or bad, what ever surf craft we ALL need to be respected.

Rant over.

Flame suit on )

Fair comment doggie
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Cheers mate
DILLIGAF2
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doggie said...

worrier said...

(Good skills or bad, what ever surf craft we ALL need to be respected.

Rant over.

Flame suit on )

Fair comment doggie
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Cheers mate


Why the red thumbs???
teatrea
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24 Aug 2010 8:37pm
Makes me laugh , we must respect the shorties and the mals ooohhh dont upset them.What a joke respect is a two way street , lost count of the amount of times short boarders snake me and dont make an effort at all to get out of the way.

Cant say ive ever made a wave crumble either , that must be a neat trick.

Give respect get respect and if you give and dont get it , dont take **** from people who think they have more a right than you to be in the water.

doggie
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24 Aug 2010 6:58pm
teatrea said...

Makes me laugh , we must respect the shorties and the mals ooohhh dont upset them.What a joke respect is a two way street , lost count of the amount of times short boarders snake me and dont make an effort at all to get out of the way.

Cant say ive ever made a wave crumble either , that must be a neat trick.

Give respect get respect and if you give and dont get it , dont take **** from people who think they have more a right than you to be in the water.




Bad day at work mate?

Makaha
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24 Aug 2010 7:03pm
haha doggie,teatrea you just said that sup'ers are mellow in an earlier post. At least the Longboarders aren't snaking you,its those pesky shortboarders like doggie and co
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