Legion said...

Like I said earlier, it's sad to read some of your posts. Some of you remind me of the students in this:

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It shows that if you believe enough, anything's possible. You can knock yourself out by the power of suggestion, or go flying like a twit. So magically performing 500% better or feeling no pain etc is a walk in the park by comparison. So gullible.

That's crazy.

I can't believe that so many students were taking the piss out of their instructor and the instructors believed it.

Although in the first video I just think the students were sick of getting hit and figured it would be safer to just fall down and come up with some BS story. I think I can sympathize with that.

So, for the record, would the Chi power or 'human stun gun' power be twice as strong with a PB or ten times as strong? Or do results vary with the complectopascal kilos?

Bnaccas said...

It annoys me when people call bu11$h1t on something without proof. I'm not saying it
does or doesn't work but I wouldn't call people names (gullible/sad etc as if they are stupid!)
when you have no proof to back up your statement. I just wouldn't comment at all!

Honestly? Wow. So I should believe the guy who emails me who says he's the son of a deposed Nigerian president? Because that's about as believable as the pseudo-science babble that is peddled by the people selling these things. There is absolutely nothing credible in their marketing at all. A hologram embedded with frequencies that react positively with your body's natural frequencies? Really?

Now I know this is Today Tonight, but the blind test is interesting.

Legion said...
So I should believe the guy who emails me who says he's the son of a deposed Nigerian president?

Seriously I am the long lost grandson of a Nigerian dictator and I have a mountain of money in a chest I smuggled in to Australia on a cargo ship. Legion give me your bank details and I will deposit some of the money with you so the authorities will not find it.

Oh wait Doggie gave me his first, sorry better be quicker next time.

PS beer and internet are great mixes

Zimbo Reagan said...

Anyway had nothing to do as the Force were lossing to the Crusaders.

If only they were wearing their Power Balance bands, right?

Legion said...

powerbalance.com.au said...

Hundreds of recent and historical medical and scientific studies have documented the electrical forces at work within the body and the influence internal and external factors have on the efficient transference of electro-chemical exchanges.

The human "battery" is both an extremely efficient machine in its purest state and extremely fragile. Both internal factors such as stress, illness and injury as well as external factors such as proximity to natural and man-made electrical forces interfere and corrupt this process.

The ideal human frequency, called the Schumann Resonating Frequency (SRF), is approximately 7.8 hertz.]

wikipedia said...

The existence of Schumann-like resonances is conditioned primarily by two factors: (1) a closed, planetary-sized spherical cavity, consisting of conducting lower and upper boundaries separated by an insulating medium. For the earth the conducting lower boundary is its surface, and the upper boundary is the ionosphere. Other planets may have similar electrical conductivity geometry, so it is speculated that they should possess similar resonant behavior. (2) source of electrical excitation of electromagnetic waves in the ELF range. Within the Solar System there are five candidates for Schumann resonance detection besides the Earth: Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn and its moon Titan.
...
Makers of a product called the Power Balance Bracelet, which claims to improve balance and strength, may have claimed that Schumann resonances appear in the human body and that "incorrect" resonance frequencies cause problems with the "energy field" of the body. As Schumann resonances occur in the Earth's magnetic field as a result of lightning strikes this claim is of course false.

Sweet pseudo-science.

Phase 1: Find an obscure scientific reference (Schumann resonances), link it in a totally random way to a totally unrelated field
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit

Stoked you found that stuff Legion, see thats info that backs up your case. I've ever
read anything like that (wikipedia) but have looked for info for hours. Just didn't make
that connection with SRF's. I'm still not sold either way but.....

Anyone want a PB band for $20 second hand. Still in VGC and perfect working order!

They can make a battery equivalent to a regular "D" battery out of 2 round pieces of
paper that you get from a hole punch. Apparently it can be charged infinate times!

I have no idea how I can speak into a piece of plastic with stuff inside it and someone
on the other side of the world can hear you in real time if they listen to a similar device.
I have a basic understanding but thats about it.

Where do the 16 movies and bunch of music on my USB stick get stored? It's really small!

Milar is used to block/reflect radiation. Also....
"The unique qualities of Mylar made new consumer markets in magnetic audio and
video tape, capacitor dielectrics, packaging and batteries possible." So it looks like
it's ideal for storing frequencies. Thats just an uneducated interprutation of the above
statement.

There are a lot of things we haven't studied and don't understand. It only makes sense.

If someone told you these things would be possible 50 or more years ago you'd lock
'em up and throw away the key.

These things are all well understood. Just because you don't understand them doesn't mean they're magic. Mylar (as well as paper) or any dielectric insulator can be used as a layer between two layers of electrical conductor to form a capacitor. But alone it doesn't do anything. And it will self-discharge, capacitors don't store energy infinitely, in fact typically for a short time (according to very well known equations). And in order for a capacitor to store energy, it needs to have a voltage difference applied to it first.

Are Power Balance selling capacitors? If so, why not just say so? And why then would they emphasize the hologram? And do they need regular recharging from an electric circuit? Any electrical current produced by the human body would be minute and hardly enough to store much energy in a capacitor.

If these guys want any credibility, they need to show some understanding of what their product is, and provide some sort of reasonable explanation of their "technology".

I have a dilemma.

It would be easy to test the claims in a way that was less dodgey than the videos shown. At only $50 it would be no great loss to buy one (and a few of the 99 cent jobs for double blind testing) and do the tests.

But I don't want to give my money to such obvious scam artists.

Holograms are not electromagnetic devices. They are inert lumps of plastic. They don't do anything until you apply a laser to them.

I guess it is conceivable that electromagnetic radiation passing througbh a hologram could be affected by the hologram, but how could some drugged out Californian surfer discover that? What was he doing making holograms anyway? How does the energy know that I have a sore elbow that needs fixing?

The original claims say the system works by using ancient information. The holograms are simply a method of storing the information. Paper or clay tablets would work just as well. Arrrgggh!!!

Gorgo said...

I have a dilemma.

It would be easy to test the claims in a way that was less dodgey than the videos shown. At only $50 it would be no great loss to buy one (and a few of the 99 cent jobs for double blind testing) and do the tests.

But I don't want to give my money to such obvious scam artists.

I don't know what you skeptics earn as an hourly rate at work. But I'm guessing if you were being paid to spend your time debating the merits of worthless holograms - you could have bought 10 of them by now and tried them out for yourself.

The topic is "The 'power balance' band - what are your thoughts"

I've got one and as far as I'm concerned, I noticed an improvement and have worn it for the past two months. I've got no idea how it could possibly work but for me I noticed a difference - so it's money well spent.

These bands have been selling like hot cakes for months and it appears most other people who have replied to this thread, who have one, share similar thoughts to me. From what I can see on this thread, and everywhere else the topic is debated, the doubters haven't tried it and probably never will.

They prefer to spend their time/money doubting. As the saying goes - there's one born every minute.

After doing extensive research I've come up with the following list of users on this thread and whether they have tried the bracelet and whether they believe or not.

russh - not tried - non believer
supbelly - tried - believer
husq2100 - tried - non believer
jb - tried - believer
oliver- tried - believer
FormulaNova - not tried - non believer
sparki - tried - believer
Bnaccas - tried - believer
stuied - tried - non believer
loco4las - not tried - non believer
Legion - not tried - non believer
Gorgo - not tried - non believer
goatman - not tried - fence sitter
pmorgan1974 - not tried - fence sitter
paul.j - tried - believer
doggie - not tried - stirrer
surfskater61 - not tried - fence sitter
GS - not tried - non believer
Piros - tried - fence sitter
Zimbo Reagan - not tried - fence sitter
sunnySup - tried - believer
taranakiter - not tried - crack head
pickers - not tried - non believer
laceys lane - tried - believer
Th0m0 - not tried - fence sitter
shunter - not tried - fence sitter
FBRoy - not tried - non believer
Garethg - tried - believer
col303 - not tried - non believer
Simondo - not tried - fence sitter

It is easy to see that overwhelmingly believers have tried it and non believers and fence sitters haven't.

Hi Oliver, I haven't got splinters up my bum yet !! I'm going to try it first, before I pass judgement, even 'if' the judgement is 'splinters' ! I'm actually a 'potential believer'. But I'm going to try it first.....

Legion said...

It's great that several of you think you are gaining some benefit from wearing them. Good for you. But you must see that there's absolutely nothing to it. It's a placebo. You've been conned (but as long as you think you're gaining something, I guess it makes you happy).

I haven't been conned - afaic it works for me, and it was money well spent. I think I've spent more time on this planet than you have. I'm not sure why I'm on this planet sitting on my computer debating this topic on the interweb with you - and I don't think you are really sure either.

But it doesn't mean it's not happening.

The point I'm trying to make is that the most fundamental things, such as our existence on this planet can't be properly explained.

aussiefreebs said...

I think, therefore I am.

Tried, tentative believer.

ausssifreebs - tried - fence sitter (slipping off)

oliver said...

aussiefreebs said...

I think, therefore I am.

Tried, tentative believer.

ausssifreebs - tried - fence sitter (slipping off)

As mentioned earlier, I am probably more of a believer in the placebo effect. Placebo effect or a direct result of something we don't yet understand, I guess I believe in the perceived results.

Now please stop making me think about my forum posts. I much prefer mindless banter.

I had one brought for me and given to me about 2 months ago, I have worn it every day.

I have to be honest I have felt no difference what so ever

My work mate has one and reckons his balance is better.

Maybe mine is faulty, or maybe it has made a difference I jus dont notice it