goatman said...

doggie said...

goatman said...

Legion said...

Things I don't like about SUP:

- I like to be able to turn. And I mean properly turn, not pivot a flat board about a pivot point. That's a deal-breaker for me.
- I'm yet to see a SUP person who can surf.
- people with no surf background who are suddenly "surfers".
- people with aircraft carriers attached to their roof semi-permanently, like a status symbol. Unfortunately I live in what's likely to become ground zero for SUP (from what I've observed) so I see a lot of posers like this.
- the forehand cutback/paddle lean.
- the paddle in general, for people who use it as a device to compensate for their inability to balance.
- the stereotypical middle aged, overweight, low ability level SUP surfer. They're just unnecessary flotsam and it was better when they weren't cluttering up the water.
- kooks jumping up the pecking order without paying their dues.


Things I like:

- wave count. But 100 waves on a board that doesn't turn doesn't == 100 x better than 1 wave on a board that does turn. For me, anyway.

Legion, you sound like someone for whom 'image' is 'everything' so I doubt any of the above will apply to you.

Na, in his case performance is everything and I tend to agree with him. If my board is performing then Im having fun.

Yep, I'm sure you are ripping the bag out of it in 1-2 foot Perth Metro dribblers

Havnt surft metro for ages

goatman said...

doggie said...

Havnt surft metro for ages

Moved down south have ya Doggie? Ya sh!t stirring mate does though I believe.

Na just know where to look dunno, are you getting upset?

doggie said...
Na just know where to look dunno, are you getting upset?

Nah mate, had plenty of experience with try hards....all good.

doggie said...
TBH, I have never even met Legion but I dont think he is a try hard, he just has an opinion. There is plenty more try hards on this site believe me.

An opinion based on what exactly? I find it peculiar that someone would frequent a forum in which they have no respect whatsoever for the guys they are interacting with.

Interesting topic!

Firstly, Great article lozz,

It always amazes me that people put so much effort into commenting on something that they don't like. you hear sayings like "if you look for it you'll get it" and "keep focused and anything is possible". Why would you want to waste your time looking for something to make it possible to hate even though you already don't like doing it anyway??

Now it might just be the beer talking, but wouldn't it be a better investment in your time to seek making possible things you do enjoy?

and as confucius would say,

"Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves"

"Everything has it's beauty, but not everyone see's it"

"Mans natures are alike, but it's their habits that carry them far apart"

"When we see men of a contrary character, we should turn inwards and examine ourselves."

"Fine words and an insinuating appearance are seldom associated with true virtue."

JB

Good reply Makaha agree with all of that. With the sport being so new there will always be the influx of newbies and Stand Up's gets people into the surf that couldn't do it on a shortboard or mal.Even with my previous surf expierence I still clearly remember my kook moments on our local breaks.

I absolutely can't cop the stink eye BUT I do understand where it comes from especially when see some new guy paddle out on a Sup with no idea and obliviously paddles into anything. This guy will eventually learn but it's the constant influx of new paddlers that's the problem.

At one stage we where all KOOKS.
It's this mindset that kooks suck that put me off surfing when I was teen.
"Look at this fat wog kid trying to surf"
When I see somebody trying to learn I will encourage them and give the pointers.
All surf crafts have there merits in the surf,but learn in a safe area progress in unpopulated areas then hit the line up and feel like a surfer.
Posers should take it one step at a time, eventually you'll get respect and give it back.

XXL hazza

Makaha said...

Yes interesting reading,however I believe some sup'ers is this forum think they are seasoned surfers,some are some NOT,when its obvious they are nothing but want to be's,also some of you guy's need to lighten up with all this proto type crap, pioneering rubbish you speak. It does my head in really.Some need to take a break or risk giving themselves a heart attack,way to serious.

I think this is part of the reason why sup'ing is struggling to find its way in the general surfing community.

I dont mean to offend anyone,my apologies if I have,I see sup'ers paddling out who can barely balance without a legrope, now that's not going to win any respect is it.

I note today a guy mentions a shop that offered him good service only to get smashed where the real pimp is treated like god.

Now before you start,I do respect MOST of you Guy's and Girl's,I am simply expressing my opinion,that's what a forum is about right.Say it as it is and dont fear

Whoops I both sup and surf shorties and there both great FUN
Just relax and enjoy the ride,whatever your on

If you don't like the talk on 'proto type crap' don't read it mate. As you said forums are for people to express their opinion and IMO, as long as it not completely derogetory go for it.

Surf what ever ya like who gives a damn, as has been said before an @rsehole in the surf is one, no matter what craft their on.

A question for you guys, does anyone really take all this banter that seriously? With all the nasty stuff going on in the world I find this forum a pleasant distraction from the mainstream media and the tediousness of work. Half the time it's the eccentrics on here that make it entertaining - that includes you Makaha

Back on topic - yes the influx of inexperienced SUPPers (surfers) is a worry and one that isn't going to go away.

Let's admit it, it's not till the bagging people starts that the forums get interesting. If Laurie started a category related to hanging sh#t on each other it would be the most popular.
Oh and the sexy chick shots.

rodriguez said...

Doggie,you clearly visit for the right reasons ,and by your own interpretation Legion doesn't,so if he thinks bagging sup is going to make it go away, he's in for a rude awakening.I usually don't get into personalities on this forum but,really Gerry Lopez,Laird,Tommy Carrol,great shortboarders by any bodies measuring stick,are supriders why?because it's fun,just like the first time you surfed and new it would be somthing you always wanted to do!!

doggie said...

goatman said...

doggie said...
TBH, I have never even met Legion but I dont think he is a try hard, he just has an opinion. There is plenty more try hards on this site believe me.

An opinion based on what exactly? I find it peculiar that someone would frequent a forum in which they have no respect whatsoever for the guys they are interacting with.

Well goatman as these forums are for everybody, everybody is allowed to look and comment if they like. Im not into SUP but I like looking at the boards and mainly construction methods ect. Legion on the other hand doesnt like em and it seems that where he surfs there is alot of them, and he is allowed to have an opinion.
The forums that I go into are, general, shortboards, longboards, sup and windsurfing. The other day I went into the sailing one, some good reads in there as well.
Just because you SUP dont be limited to what you read on these forums.
For me its a knowledge thing.

Look, in Legions defence and I dont really need to defend him. I have suffered the same probs with SUPs as him so now if I go to my local and they are in the line up I go elsewhere. Simple really. Legion is just giving his opinion and thats all it is you or anyone can take it how you like

rodriguez said...

I usually don't get into personalities on this forum but,really Gerry Lopez,Laird,Tommy Carrol,great shortboarders by any bodies measuring stick,are supriders why?

Because they're greedy, attention/fame seeking, and greedy in that order. No firsthand knowledge, but that seems to be the consensus. TC was an idol as a grom, but he certainly has a reputation of "sharing" waves. His brother made an enlightening post the other day on his mentality with "sharing".

Legion said...
Try and start a thread on the merits of SUP, boogers, goatboats, mals, etc and see how you go.

That's my point, why would I start crapping on about other craft or for that matter dissing on shortboarders?

Sure, but IMO it would not be appropriate for me to go on and slag off the whole concept of short boarding for example (not that I would as have been riding one for 37 years on and off).

But hey each to their own.

Hey Doggie and Legion
I used to be exactly like you guys
I hated sup' Called them every name in the book
Sea sweepers, Stand up goat boats etc etc. Everytime i used to see them in the water i would be saying "here comes Laird"
But finally it happened when i swallowed my pride
Faced with small and fat condition while i was on holidays to see the parents i decided to hire a sup and take it out for a bash.
Thought i would kill it but it probably nearly killed me.
After a few days i sort of got the hang of it
Anyways when the swell picked up again i was flagging the sup and riding my normal boards.
Have to say even after a few days on the sup it did wonders for your balance. Felt like you can push those turns a bit harder
It was probably like standing on an indo board for 2 days
I now own a sup among 10 shortboards but instead of going home when the surfs ****. I grab the sup and go for solo sessions wherever i'm going to be surfing by myself
I don't expect to convert you guys or anything. I probably agree with a lot of your opinions
But its definitely a better alternative than going home and doing whatever wishing i was in the water.
I'm not in my middleage or overweight and i have been surfing since i was a little kid but i do have work and relationship committments and i want to be in the water when i have some spare time regardless of the equipment. Geez i suppose i even enjoy a swim
And sup does help to improve your surfing adding to that performance that makes boardriding fun