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laurie
laurie
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22 Oct 2010 5:57pm
At this risk of bringing more surfers into the SUP community, what are your thoughts on the concepts in this article?

www.seabreeze.com.au/Articles/Stand%20Up%20Paddle/From-Shortboard-to-Stand-Up-Paddle_4230649.aspx

Session
Session
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VIC, 445 posts
22 Oct 2010 6:21pm
Hi Laurie ,

Good article and agree it's individuals who create a bad image for the whole sport.

Rich
Sparx
Sparx
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22 Oct 2010 6:28pm
Amen to that!
Cheers
Sparx
doggie
doggie
WA
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22 Oct 2010 3:29pm
Legion, where the hell are you!!
towball
towball
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22 Oct 2010 4:34pm
Well written laurie
Downwinder
Downwinder
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2095 posts
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22 Oct 2010 6:40pm
Yep well written Laurie
jasdeking
jasdeking
QLD
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22 Oct 2010 7:35pm
good article

this sport has taught my family so much.
AA
AA
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AA AA
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22 Oct 2010 8:44pm
Spot on Laurie, well said. This is where it is at.
We are at a turning point in the history of SUP.
There will always be knockers (it's an Aussie tradition),
but the amount of 'hardcore surfer' converts over the
last year has proven that this is a wave that everyone
can and probably will, enjoy.
Fred Rubble
Fred Rubble
WA
96 posts
WA, 96 posts
24 Oct 2010 2:43pm
I have recently been converted to sup from Shortboarding
Good challenge and good fun
I personally think there will always be anamosity between different types of surf craft in the lineup
Doesnt matter if its a shortboard, Londboard ,Sup, Boogie board etc
I think people should just see surfing for what it is
Fun
A lot of people seem to take their sport way too seriously
Not sure if thats a reflection on how sport is marketed in the mainstream media these days (life or death)
Lighten up a bit in the ocean and you might find you enjoy it more
I'm no saint but i try to work on it
Salatiela
Salatiela
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24 Oct 2010 6:11pm
here here....
billboard
billboard
QLD
2819 posts
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24 Oct 2010 5:47pm
Just wanna make a coupla comments:

1 - The article makes it sound like shortboarders own the waves and everyone else has to kiss their ass and fit in ? Ignorant and/or unskilled sup surfers are a problem around all surfers, both shortboarders and longboarders and need to work in with both disciplines. More often than not the sup surfer is surfing in your typical longboard waves because they are generally smaller and easier conditions and it would be fair to say that longboarders dislike sups way more than the average shortboarder because the sup is rarely out in bigger/suckier/heavier shortboard conditions.

2 - Yes, newbie sup surfers can be ignorant of the way a lineup works or simply not have enough skill to be in many lineups BUT the worst cases of ignorance and blatant beligerence that I have seen has been by skilled sup surfers who intentionally use their board size and wave catching ability to intimidate other surfers in a lineup and it is them who have given the sport a bad name, moreso than the newby.

3. And it wasnt so much surf schools sending unskilled sup paddlers out into the surf to cause havoc in the beginning - it was surf shops ! from my experience the surf schools have on the whole been very responsible in teaching a very new sport and trying to educate their students in all aspects of board handling/technique and manners but because sup is so easy to learn and do in flatwater, most students don't continue on with more than one lesson and end up out in the surf getting themselves into strife. Maybe we have made it too easy for the newby to get out into the surf by making super stable, wide boards that pretty much anyone can paddle out into the waves on. Unlike a shortboard or even a longboard, a beginner on a sup in the surf takes up a big area and both the sup rider and the other surfers need to be aware of that.
Legion
Legion
WA
2222 posts
WA, 2222 posts
26 Oct 2010 9:04am
Things I don't like about SUP:

- I like to be able to turn. And I mean properly turn, not pivot a flat board about a pivot point. That's a deal-breaker for me.
- I'm yet to see a SUP person who can surf.
- people with no surf background who are suddenly "surfers".
- people with aircraft carriers attached to their roof semi-permanently, like a status symbol. Unfortunately I live in what's likely to become ground zero for SUP (from what I've observed) so I see a lot of posers like this.
- the forehand cutback/paddle lean.
- the paddle in general, for people who use it as a device to compensate for their inability to balance.
- the stereotypical middle aged, overweight, low ability level SUP surfer. They're just unnecessary flotsam and it was better when they weren't cluttering up the water.
- kooks jumping up the pecking order without paying their dues.


Things I like:

- wave count. But 100 waves on a board that doesn't turn doesn't == 100 x better than 1 wave on a board that does turn. For me, anyway.


Things that make me throw up in my mouth a little bit:

- "celebrities" on them.
- "yoga" on them. Seriously?
- some article linked on here that said it's the "summer sport of the Hamptons".
- street SUP. I thought it was a joke, but no, apparently not.


Things you want to watch out for:

- all this encouragement to others (esp. competent shortboarders) to take up the sport could very easily backfire. The core demographic of this forum will drop straight back down to the bottom of the ladder if the average local ripper takes up SUP. Enjoy your freedom while it lasts.
hilly
hilly
WA
8120 posts
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26 Oct 2010 9:27am
Legion said...

Things I don't like about SUP:

- I like to be able to turn. And I mean properly turn, not pivot a flat board about a pivot point. That's a deal-breaker for me.
- I'm yet to see a SUP person who can surf.
- people with no surf background who are suddenly "surfers".
- people with aircraft carriers attached to their roof semi-permanently, like a status symbol. Unfortunately I live in what's likely to become ground zero for SUP (from what I've observed) so I see a lot of posers like this.
- the forehand cutback/paddle lean.
- the paddle in general, for people who use it as a device to compensate for their inability to balance.
- the stereotypical middle aged, overweight, low ability level SUP surfer. They're just unnecessary flotsam and it was better when they weren't cluttering up the water.
- kooks jumping up the pecking order without paying their dues.


Things I like:

- wave count. But 100 waves on a board that doesn't turn doesn't == 100 x better than 1 wave on a board that does turn. For me, anyway.


Things that make me throw up in my mouth a little bit:

- "celebrities" on them.
- "yoga" on them. Seriously?
- some article linked on here that said it's the "summer sport of the Hamptons".
- street SUP. I thought it was a joke, but no, apparently not.


Things you want to watch out for:

- all this encouragement to others (esp. competent shortboarders) to take up the sport could very easily backfire. The core demographic of this forum will drop straight back down to the bottom of the ladder if the average local ripper takes up SUP. Enjoy your freedom while it lasts.


Pm me contact details when my knee is better we can go down south and surf with Courts and Jacko bros may change your mind.
cranky
cranky
440 posts
440 posts
26 Oct 2010 10:05am
Legion said...

Things I don't like about SUP:



I understand where you are coming from although most of those points are associated with surfing in general and not just SUP, kooks have been jumping the pecking order for decades with mals and short boards that are shorter than the riders ability. I had never noticed the waste and under use of waves until I started SUP, particularly irritating when you hold back so that others can get a wave and they proceed to blow it.

Personally I prefer the 100 waves at 60% of what my short board can do rather than the 1 wave with the same old turns.

I agree on the "things to watch out for" don't over promote a good thing, let it grow naturally.
goatman
goatman
NSW
2151 posts
NSW, 2151 posts
26 Oct 2010 1:46pm
Legion said...

Things I don't like about SUP:

- I like to be able to turn. And I mean properly turn, not pivot a flat board about a pivot point. That's a deal-breaker for me.
- I'm yet to see a SUP person who can surf.
- people with no surf background who are suddenly "surfers".
- people with aircraft carriers attached to their roof semi-permanently, like a status symbol. Unfortunately I live in what's likely to become ground zero for SUP (from what I've observed) so I see a lot of posers like this.
- the forehand cutback/paddle lean.
- the paddle in general, for people who use it as a device to compensate for their inability to balance.
- the stereotypical middle aged, overweight, low ability level SUP surfer. They're just unnecessary flotsam and it was better when they weren't cluttering up the water.
- kooks jumping up the pecking order without paying their dues.


Things I like:

- wave count. But 100 waves on a board that doesn't turn doesn't == 100 x better than 1 wave on a board that does turn. For me, anyway.



Ahh, finally shows his true colours!

You will find Legion that yes indeed the majority of SUP riders are on large bouyant boards and in most cases because they want something as an alternative to a shortboard/mal/kiteboard/whatever. And this is fine.

Some of us have made the change for other reasons and have decided it is actually a better surfing experience - why is this?

I surf in Sydney which even when good; the waves are not perfectly formed and in fact my local is a mixture of 'death slabs' and fat walls. The beachies can get epic but 80% of the time aren't. For me SUP has made these 'OK' waves, friggen awesome again. Don't me tell the things don't turn - in fact, in average waves you can smoke someone of equivalent ability on a shortboard due to the extra drive and power you get out of the larger planning area combined with a curvy outline/rocker and paddle.

I get some of the local boys (who are **** hot surfers) asking me about the SUP all the time and commenting on how well they turn.

To say that once the 'competent shortboarders' take up the sport we will go back to the bottom of the ladder - who cares, besides local guys (over here) like Tom Carroll and Matt Grainger are better than competent and are lovin the sport.

I challenge you to try one that is NOT an 'aircraft carrier' - as this is what most of us 'competent shortboarders' started on, and tell me how easy it is! In terms of exercise, a one hour SUP surf on an under bouyant 'sinker' like mine is the equivalent of 3 hours on a shorty - no comparison.

Bottom line is it's just more fun, so if your not the type to worry about all the media hyped, vomit forming BS that sometimes get chucked around, go for it!

Legion, you sound like someone for whom 'image' is 'everything' so I doubt any of the above will apply to you.
Diver
Diver
WA
554 posts
WA, 554 posts
26 Oct 2010 12:04pm
Legion said...

Things I don't like about SUP:

- I like to be able to turn. And I mean properly turn, not pivot a flat board about a pivot point. That's a deal-breaker for me.
- I'm yet to see a SUP person who can surf.
- people with no surf background who are suddenly "surfers".
- people with aircraft carriers attached to their roof semi-permanently, like a status symbol. Unfortunately I live in what's likely to become ground zero for SUP (from what I've observed) so I see a lot of posers like this.
- the forehand cutback/paddle lean.
- the paddle in general, for people who use it as a device to compensate for their inability to balance.
- the stereotypical middle aged, overweight, low ability level SUP surfer. They're just unnecessary flotsam and it was better when they weren't cluttering up the water.
- kooks jumping up the pecking order without paying their dues.


Things I like:

- wave count. But 100 waves on a board that doesn't turn doesn't == 100 x better than 1 wave on a board that does turn. For me, anyway.


Things that make me throw up in my mouth a little bit:

- "celebrities" on them.
- "yoga" on them. Seriously?
- some article linked on here that said it's the "summer sport of the Hamptons".
- street SUP. I thought it was a joke, but no, apparently not.


Things you want to watch out for:

- all this encouragement to others (esp. competent shortboarders) to take up the sport could very easily backfire. The core demographic of this forum will drop straight back down to the bottom of the ladder if the average local ripper takes up SUP. Enjoy your freedom while it lasts.




All your points have some validity, and you don't like it - fair enough. But there are plenty who do and they are getting on with enjoying themselves.

Where is the crime in that?

BTW - good article Laurie
jedijunglsno
jedijunglsno
NSW
231 posts
NSW, 231 posts
26 Oct 2010 4:21pm
Legion said...

Things I don't like about SUP:

- I like to be able to turn. And I mean properly turn, not pivot a flat board about a pivot point. That's a deal-breaker for me. Mate, stick with it and one day you'll be able to turn. You can do it!
- I'm yet to see a SUP person who can surf. I understand that you wouldn't like that, I'm yet to see Jennifer Hawkins naked and I don't like that either. But just keep telling yourself, because you haven't seen it doesn't mean no one else has.
- people with no surf background who are suddenly "surfers". Do you mean backpackers?
- people with aircraft carriers attached to their roof semi-permanently, like a status symbol. Unfortunately I live in what's likely to become ground zero for SUP (from what I've observed) so I see a lot of posers like this. People have been attaching boards to their roofs for years to look like a surfer. Glad you acknowledge the SUP has become a status symbol.
- the forehand cutback/paddle lean. If you're yet to see a SUP rider that can surf, then yes, you've probably seen some ugly variations of this.
- the paddle in general, for people who use it as a device to compensate for their inability to balance. Mate they're just learning, the balance will come if they stick with it. Just like with you learning how to turn.
- the stereotypical middle aged, overweight, low ability level SUP surfer. They're just unnecessary flotsam and it was better when they weren't cluttering up the water. Why are you surfing a spot where they are cluttering up the water? Don't worry, once you learn how to turn your other skills will improve as well, and you'll be able to surf more advanced breaks.
- kooks jumping up the pecking order without paying their dues. Glad that you appreciate this. And it's obvious from your willingness not to move on to more advanced surf spots until you learn how to turn that you are practicing what you preach. We all thank you.



CMC
CMC
QLD
3954 posts
CMC CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
26 Oct 2010 3:36pm
Great article Laurie.

I thought most good surfers were riding SUP sometimes nowadays anyway.

To me it honestly only seems like kooks on Mals or whatever really care. Good shortboarders have already worked out how to out manouvre the take off zone and they seem to be differentiating the wallys from the people that can ride them.

Legion is just a stirrer, I love it.
paul.j
paul.j
QLD
3378 posts
QLD, 3378 posts
26 Oct 2010 3:53pm
Legion said...

Things I don't like about SUP:

- I like to be able to turn. And I mean properly turn, not pivot a flat board about a pivot point. That's a deal-breaker for me.
- I'm yet to see a SUP person who can surf.
- people with no surf background who are suddenly "surfers".
- people with aircraft carriers attached to their roof semi-permanently, like a status symbol. Unfortunately I live in what's likely to become ground zero for SUP (from what I've observed) so I see a lot of posers like this.
- the forehand cutback/paddle lean.
- the paddle in general, for people who use it as a device to compensate for their inability to balance.
- the stereotypical middle aged, overweight, low ability level SUP surfer. They're just unnecessary flotsam and it was better when they weren't cluttering up the water.
- kooks jumping up the pecking order without paying their dues.


Things I like:

- wave count. But 100 waves on a board that doesn't turn doesn't == 100 x better than 1 wave on a board that does turn. For me, anyway.


Things that make me throw up in my mouth a little bit:

- "celebrities" on them.
- "yoga" on them. Seriously?
- some article linked on here that said it's the "summer sport of the Hamptons".
- street SUP. I thought it was a joke, but no, apparently not.


Things you want to watch out for:

- all this encouragement to others (esp. competent shortboarders) to take up the sport could very easily backfire. The core demographic of this forum will drop straight back down to the bottom of the ladder if the average local ripper takes up SUP. Enjoy your freedom while it lasts.


you dont like Yoga on sup's are you serious!!!!!!!!!! have you seen the girl sup pixs!!!!! maybe its true what they say about short boarders these days....

Jacko
planesailing
planesailing
WA
380 posts
WA, 380 posts
26 Oct 2010 2:34pm
NICE !!
Legion
Legion
WA
2222 posts
WA, 2222 posts
26 Oct 2010 2:36pm
Girls doing yoga in bikini == good
Girls doing SUP in bikini == no problem
Girls doing yoga on a SUP (bikini or not) == vomit at their try-hardedness

It's a case of two rights making a very, very wrong.

More examples:

SUP == OK, I can see you all like it, whatever
Skateboarding == cool
Street SUP == stab my eyes out with a pencil

Benchpress == legitimate strength building exercise
Swiss ball == great balance tool
Benchpress on Swiss ball instead of rigid bench == Wallies looking for an injury and failing to maximise the benefits of either exercise

Or the rare triple-combo:

Yoga == great
Pilates == fine
Tai chi == no worries
Yogalates chi == chop my nuts off with a meat cleaver
oliver
oliver
3952 posts
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26 Oct 2010 2:41pm
I always saw you as more of a zumba man Legion
doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
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26 Oct 2010 2:54pm
hilly said...

Legion said...

Things I don't like about SUP:

- I like to be able to turn. And I mean properly turn, not pivot a flat board about a pivot point. That's a deal-breaker for me.
- I'm yet to see a SUP person who can surf.
- people with no surf background who are suddenly "surfers".
- people with aircraft carriers attached to their roof semi-permanently, like a status symbol. Unfortunately I live in what's likely to become ground zero for SUP (from what I've observed) so I see a lot of posers like this.
- the forehand cutback/paddle lean.
- the paddle in general, for people who use it as a device to compensate for their inability to balance.
- the stereotypical middle aged, overweight, low ability level SUP surfer. They're just unnecessary flotsam and it was better when they weren't cluttering up the water.
- kooks jumping up the pecking order without paying their dues.


Things I like:

- wave count. But 100 waves on a board that doesn't turn doesn't == 100 x better than 1 wave on a board that does turn. For me, anyway.


Things that make me throw up in my mouth a little bit:

- "celebrities" on them.
- "yoga" on them. Seriously?
- some article linked on here that said it's the "summer sport of the Hamptons".
- street SUP. I thought it was a joke, but no, apparently not.


Things you want to watch out for:

- all this encouragement to others (esp. competent shortboarders) to take up the sport could very easily backfire. The core demographic of this forum will drop straight back down to the bottom of the ladder if the average local ripper takes up SUP. Enjoy your freedom while it lasts.


Pm me contact details when my knee is better we can go down south and surf with Courts and Jacko bros may change your mind.


Do you surf with them Hilly or just watch?
Makaha
Makaha
1145 posts
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26 Oct 2010 2:59pm
The yoga shots on stand ups are very corny
hilly
hilly
WA
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26 Oct 2010 3:28pm
doggie said...
Do you surf with them Hilly or just watch?


At the moment just watch due to serious knee injury but in a month will be out there. Courts, Jacko and many others are way better than me but I can get the fins out occasionally.




paul.j
paul.j
QLD
3378 posts
QLD, 3378 posts
26 Oct 2010 5:28pm
really!! i'm surprised you guys would even notice them doing yoga!!! But maybe thats what happens as you get older? I see chicks bending over with hardly anything on and you guys see Yoga
hilly
hilly
WA
8120 posts
WA, 8120 posts
26 Oct 2010 3:29pm
paul.j said...

really!! i'm surprised you guys would even notice them doing yoga!!! But maybe thats what happens as you get older? I see chicks bending over with hardly anything on and you guys see Yoga


They were on SUPS get out of here
doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
WA, 15849 posts
26 Oct 2010 3:48pm
Legion said...

Street SUP == stab my eyes out with a pencil



Isnt that just skate-boarding with a stick??
hilly
hilly
WA
8120 posts
WA, 8120 posts
26 Oct 2010 4:07pm
doggie said...

Legion said...

Street SUP == stab my eyes out with a pencil



Isnt that just skate-boarding with a stick??


Yes it is a bit light in the loafers I agree


bournda
bournda
NSW
88 posts
NSW, 88 posts
26 Oct 2010 7:57pm
great article laurie
i ride an 8 .6 sup and a 6.4 shorty
and ride which ever suits the conditions
since supping it has not only improved my surfing , fitness , sanity!
but as goaty said it makes sh_t waves super fun!!!!!!
i think most surfers will give respect when shown respect no mater what you ride
enjoy the ocean
later bournda
doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
WA, 15849 posts
27 Oct 2010 10:26am
goatman said...

Legion said...

Things I don't like about SUP:

- I like to be able to turn. And I mean properly turn, not pivot a flat board about a pivot point. That's a deal-breaker for me.
- I'm yet to see a SUP person who can surf.
- people with no surf background who are suddenly "surfers".
- people with aircraft carriers attached to their roof semi-permanently, like a status symbol. Unfortunately I live in what's likely to become ground zero for SUP (from what I've observed) so I see a lot of posers like this.
- the forehand cutback/paddle lean.
- the paddle in general, for people who use it as a device to compensate for their inability to balance.
- the stereotypical middle aged, overweight, low ability level SUP surfer. They're just unnecessary flotsam and it was better when they weren't cluttering up the water.
- kooks jumping up the pecking order without paying their dues.


Things I like:

- wave count. But 100 waves on a board that doesn't turn doesn't == 100 x better than 1 wave on a board that does turn. For me, anyway.




Legion, you sound like someone for whom 'image' is 'everything' so I doubt any of the above will apply to you.



Na, in his case performance is everything and I tend to agree with him. If my board is performing then Im having fun.
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