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DavidJohn
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13 Apr 2010 11:31am
Please don't go there Christian..

IMO that guy was a fool and his was a 500% bigger risk than what we took.

DJ
Casso
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13 Apr 2010 11:43am
Awesome journalism DJ.

If only there was an Australian paddle surfing magazine still around to publish it!
hoagie
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13 Apr 2010 11:49am
I can see a Discovery Channel story in the pipeline. Terrific story and photo's and a great outcome for all.

Maybe take it easy for awhile, if you can.
Session
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13 Apr 2010 11:55am
Hi DJ ,

What a day out on the Bay.

Im so glad everything turned out ok and well done Ross , Camo & Pete for support back on land for Search & Rescue .

Very good advice from Dean (LSD)

rich
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13 Apr 2010 9:55am
DavidJohn said...

Please don't go there Christian..

IMO that guy was a fool and his was a 500% bigger risk than what we took.

DJ


Agreed. 500%.... and the rest

Not suggesting there is any parallels with the situation past the composition of the photo. Just a striking image thats all.
loco4olas
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13 Apr 2010 12:07pm
Just wanted to add my word of thanks for a great story and a safe outcome.

There are SO many lessons to be learned for all of us out of your experience.

Congrats on positive conclusion to a wild story/adventure.
DavidJohn
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13 Apr 2010 12:09pm
Casso said...

Awesome journalism DJ.

If only there was an Australian paddle surfing magazine still around to publish it!


That's right Casso.. .. It would have been a great story even without the drama's.

BTW we have some great vid from Pete's GoPro.. I'll try and post his vid soon.

DJ

PTWoody
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13 Apr 2010 12:31pm
brady said...

Great story and good outcome.

But one question - why on earth didn't you all stay together? Doing an open water crossing in a group for safety only works if you are a group!

YOUR FRIENDS SHOULD HAVE SLOWED DOWN AND WAITED FOR YOU!

I'd be having a few words with your friends about that.



In hindsight, sure. But they're hardly Robinson Crusoe there (no pun intended, with the whole castaway thing ). I know I've been in a similar situation, albeit not in the shipping lane, but the winds were about 30 knots, a storm was brewing, it was raining cats and dogs, and the group got a little separated. This was just the last 1km stretch from Green Point to Sandringham where you're effectively right on shore, but still, the group took off, leaving one behind and out of sight. It happens and I'll stick my hand up and say I'm as guilty of that as anyone.

The fact is, DJ's fellow adventurers are all stand-up guys (okay so now these unintentional puns are becoming a problem ). I would trust them implicitly. Nevertheless, if there's anything we can do in the future to improve safety, including greater focus on essential and best quality equipment, or pairing up or regrouping more often, as DJ has indicated, then this adventure has probably served to prevent a tragedy in the future.
skeeta
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13 Apr 2010 12:36pm
hilly said...

That was awesome DJ I love the drama of getting on the bouy
Well done to all involved wonder if the repeat run will be so entertaining?


OMG there should be NO REPEAT RUN.

If anybody reading this story can take something from it, it's that most people have no freakin' idea about basic seamanship. Anybody with at least a small amount of boating experience would know that the waves in the middle of the bay get really big. ESPECIALLY AT 20-30 KNOTS. The ships travelling in the shipping lanes cannot actually move around you if you happen to not able able to paddle out of their way or continually fall off your board infront of them.

I'm also astounded that you considered jumping off and "drifting" to shore. After the sun goes down, that warm water that seemed so inviting would mean you'd probably die of exposure before you hit terra firma. And that's if you didn't drown first.

"A true professional" was quoted in one post. WTF? There is nothing professional about this incident. Clearly the opposite. The fact that a GPS wasn't considered before this incident is mental.

What would have happened if all 3 didn't make it to the other side? Was there a time determined for the alarm to be raised by a loved one? Wow, it's apparent the amount of non-planning that went into such a large event crossing. But I guess you thought it would be *fun* right? And you prep was....ok? And what could *really* go wrong? You're in the bay afterall right? Quite unbelievable to say the least.....

If you continue to gamble with the ocean, the ocean will finally win in the end.

Baby steps boys...something more tangable and a lot less risk, and perhaps something that wont take up the precious time and money of Port Authorities.

DJ & co - I would really like to continue seeing you paddle, but you pull this bullsh#t again, and it'll be lights off .

My comments may seem harsh, but they are coming from a place of genuine concern. It makes me so upset to see foolish incidents like this occur in the first place, but then the "boys club" responses from the community. Please engage your brains next time or you'll end up on the 6 o'clock news as "man drowns in Port Phillip Bay". I'd really like not to see that happen.

Peace
DavidJohn
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13 Apr 2010 1:46pm
skeeta said...

hilly said...

That was awesome DJ I love the drama of getting on the bouy
Well done to all involved wonder if the repeat run will be so entertaining?


OMG there should be NO REPEAT RUN.

If anybody reading this story can take something from it, it's that most people have no freakin' idea about basic seamanship. Anybody with at least a small amount of boating experience would know that the waves in the middle of the bay get really big. ESPECIALLY AT 20-30 KNOTS. The ships travelling in the shipping lanes cannot actually move around you if you happen to not able able to paddle out of their way or continually fall off your board infront of them.

I'm also astounded that you considered jumping off and "drifting" to shore. After the sun goes down, that warm water that seemed so inviting would mean you'd probably die of exposure before you hit terra firma. And that's if you didn't drown first.

"A true professional" was quoted in one post. WTF? There is nothing professional about this incident. Clearly the opposite. The fact that a GPS wasn't considered before this incident is mental.

What would have happened if all 3 didn't make it to the other side? Was there a time determined for the alarm to be raised by a loved one? Wow, it's apparent the amount of non-planning that went into such a large event crossing. But I guess you thought it would be *fun* right? And you prep was....ok? And what could *really* go wrong? You're in the bay afterall right? Quite unbelievable to say the least.....

If you continue to gamble with the ocean, the ocean will finally win in the end.

Baby steps boys...something more tangable and a lot less risk, and perhaps something that wont take up the precious time and money of Port Authorities.

DJ & co - I would really like to continue seeing you paddle, but you pull this bullsh#t again, and it'll be lights off .

My comments may seem harsh, but they are coming from a place of genuine concern. It makes me so upset to see foolish incidents like this occur in the first place, but then the "boys club" responses from the community. Please engage your brains next time or you'll end up on the 6 o'clock news as "man drowns in Port Phillip Bay". I'd really like not to see that happen.

Peace


Thanks for your post Skeeta.

The guys at Port Security also said that I did the right thing heading for that buoy and staying there and not trying to swim for it.

I don't claim to be a hero or anything in fact I'm embarrassed about all this and could have kept it to myself.. I'm sure the other guys would agree.. but sharing this drama and talking about it is the best thing to do.. IMO

DJ



windjunky
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13 Apr 2010 2:09pm
Bloody hell... what a story. Amazing. I'm so glad you're ok. and everyone else of course. Top work port Security etc too.

AB
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13 Apr 2010 2:21pm
DavidJohn said...
....
I had thought what to do next for a long time and I decided I was going to swim/drift to shore and if I didn't go now it would be dark before I reach land.. I was so cold and it would be much warmer in the water.. I tied my paddle to the deck thinking I'll paddle back out and get it another day when it's glassy.
....


If you'd jumped in you probably would have died. Your decision making abilities were severly compromised by hypothermia and exhaustion.

DavidJohn said...
....
It was the Port security and the captain of the big ship had told them that I was there.. They were great and insisted that they take me back for a hot shower and a hot drink.. and would then get me back to Sandy.. Wow!

....


Imagine the conversation between the ship's captain and Port Security.

"Hey Port. There's some clown standing on one of your navigation buoys."
"What's he doing there?"
"Waving at passing ships."
"What sort of boat does he have?"
"Dunno. Can't see a boat."
"Do you think we should go and get him?"
"I guess so. He's probably breaking some kind of rule. He's got a big stick with him. He's probably protesting against something."
oliver
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13 Apr 2010 12:44pm
DavidJohn said...

but sharing this drama and talking about it is the best thing to do.. IMO


Hell yeah - fascinating story told by a masterful storyteller. Glad you are all ok.
Simondo
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13 Apr 2010 2:49pm
Lessons learnt hey !! Wow, it's lit up the forums like a fire cracker !!!

@#$%&*@!#$ (that's my poor attempt at fireworks !)

DJ, it is quite brave to share it all. As you suggested DJ, you could have kept some details to yourself. But you have told the whole story, and we can all learn.

1 damn broken leash from an unfortunate "tail end Charlie" watching out for everyone.... and the domino effect.... and some other 'safety nets' not in place (which have already been mentioned)....
ALsUP
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13 Apr 2010 3:03pm
You're legend is growing DJ.

Just like The Lone Ranger, whose horse Silver returns home when he falls off.

Well done surviving to tell a great tale.

Where exactly did the board wash up at Sandy?

Is it out of action for Sundays race?

Alan.

ps. They might have spotted you earlier if you were wearing my wetsuit.
DILLIGAF2
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13 Apr 2010 1:15pm
skeeta said...

hilly said...

That was awesome DJ I love the drama of getting on the bouy
Well done to all involved wonder if the repeat run will be so entertaining?


OMG there should be NO REPEAT RUN.

If anybody reading this story can take something from it, it's that most people have no freakin' idea about basic seamanship. Anybody with at least a small amount of boating experience would know that the waves in the middle of the bay get really big. ESPECIALLY AT 20-30 KNOTS. The ships travelling in the shipping lanes cannot actually move around you if you happen to not able able to paddle out of their way or continually fall off your board infront of them.

I'm also astounded that you considered jumping off and "drifting" to shore. After the sun goes down, that warm water that seemed so inviting would mean you'd probably die of exposure before you hit terra firma. And that's if you didn't drown first.

"A true professional" was quoted in one post. WTF? There is nothing professional about this incident. Clearly the opposite. The fact that a GPS wasn't considered before this incident is mental.

What would have happened if all 3 didn't make it to the other side? Was there a time determined for the alarm to be raised by a loved one? Wow, it's apparent the amount of non-planning that went into such a large event crossing. But I guess you thought it would be *fun* right? And you prep was....ok? And what could *really* go wrong? You're in the bay afterall right? Quite unbelievable to say the least.....

If you continue to gamble with the ocean, the ocean will finally win in the end.

Baby steps boys...something more tangable and a lot less risk, and perhaps something that wont take up the precious time and money of Port Authorities.

DJ & co - I would really like to continue seeing you paddle, but you pull this bullsh#t again, and it'll be lights off .

My comments may seem harsh, but they are coming from a place of genuine concern. It makes me so upset to see foolish incidents like this occur in the first place, but then the "boys club" responses from the community. Please engage your brains next time or you'll end up on the 6 o'clock news as "man drowns in Port Phillip Bay". I'd really like not to see that happen.

Peace


Be careful when you cross that road skeeto those cars could hit you, better wait till the green man shows or better still just stay at home

PTWoody
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13 Apr 2010 3:24pm
ALsUP said...


ps. They might have spotted you earlier if you were wearing my wetsuit.



Yes now who's laughing hey Al?
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13 Apr 2010 3:35pm
DavidJohn said...

skeeta said...



OMG there should be NO REPEAT RUN.

If anybody reading this story can take something from it, it's that most people have no freakin' idea about basic seamanship. Anybody with at least a small amount of boating experience would know that the waves in the middle of the bay get really big. ESPECIALLY AT 20-30 KNOTS. The ships travelling in the shipping lanes cannot actually move around you if you happen to not able able to paddle out of their way or continually fall off your board infront of them.

I'm also astounded that you considered jumping off and "drifting" to shore. After the sun goes down, that warm water that seemed so inviting would mean you'd probably die of exposure before you hit terra firma. And that's if you didn't drown first.

"A true professional" was quoted in one post. WTF? There is nothing professional about this incident. Clearly the opposite. The fact that a GPS wasn't considered before this incident is mental.

What would have happened if all 3 didn't make it to the other side? Was there a time determined for the alarm to be raised by a loved one? Wow, it's apparent the amount of non-planning that went into such a large event crossing. But I guess you thought it would be *fun* right? And you prep was....ok? And what could *really* go wrong? You're in the bay afterall right? Quite unbelievable to say the least.....

If you continue to gamble with the ocean, the ocean will finally win in the end.

Baby steps boys...something more tangable and a lot less risk, and perhaps something that wont take up the precious time and money of Port Authorities.

DJ & co - I would really like to continue seeing you paddle, but you pull this bullsh#t again, and it'll be lights off .

My comments may seem harsh, but they are coming from a place of genuine concern. It makes me so upset to see foolish incidents like this occur in the first place, but then the "boys club" responses from the community. Please engage your brains next time or you'll end up on the 6 o'clock news as "man drowns in Port Phillip Bay". I'd really like not to see that happen.

Peace


Thanks for your post Skeeta.

The guys at Port Security also said that I did the right thing heading for that buoy and staying there and not trying to swim for it.

I don't claim to be a hero or anything in fact I'm embarrassed about all this and could have kept it to myself.. I'm sure the other guys would agree.. but sharing this drama and talking about it is the best thing to do.. IMO

DJ





Each to there own SKEETA!
But boys will be boys and our differences may never be reconciled.
This was not a boating incident. They were on boards specifically designed for the purpose. You don't see boats mixing it up at the local surf break. These were boards designed for the purpose and such conditions in mind.

DJ's seamanship is not in question, he has years of it under his belt.
His judgment? Sure. But his leg rope broke through some silly modification. He has admitted his mistake and he paid for it. The real gutsy effort was coming on here and admitting it could have been done better.

The reference to DJ's professionalism, I beleive was in regards to his journalistic prowess - keeping the camera rolling to the last minute, not how he approached the venture.

No one is saying that mistakes were not made, but for many life is only truly lived when you occasionally go to the edge. You don't have to participate and there will always be critics but some people will always climb the highest mountain no matter what the risk.

We live in a world where everyone wants to wrap up everything on cotton wool and take little or no risk. We only reside here because our forefathers took huge risks.

It is not for everyone and they have admitted their mistakes but the sooner they go out and have another crack at it, (agreed with better planning) the better!

I will put money on it that if they don't someone will!
DILLIGAF2
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13 Apr 2010 1:38pm
AA said...

DavidJohn said...

skeeta said...



OMG there should be NO REPEAT RUN.

If anybody reading this story can take something from it, it's that most people have no freakin' idea about basic seamanship. Anybody with at least a small amount of boating experience would know that the waves in the middle of the bay get really big. ESPECIALLY AT 20-30 KNOTS. The ships travelling in the shipping lanes cannot actually move around you if you happen to not able able to paddle out of their way or continually fall off your board infront of them.

I'm also astounded that you considered jumping off and "drifting" to shore. After the sun goes down, that warm water that seemed so inviting would mean you'd probably die of exposure before you hit terra firma. And that's if you didn't drown first.

"A true professional" was quoted in one post. WTF? There is nothing professional about this incident. Clearly the opposite. The fact that a GPS wasn't considered before this incident is mental.

What would have happened if all 3 didn't make it to the other side? Was there a time determined for the alarm to be raised by a loved one? Wow, it's apparent the amount of non-planning that went into such a large event crossing. But I guess you thought it would be *fun* right? And you prep was....ok? And what could *really* go wrong? You're in the bay afterall right? Quite unbelievable to say the least.....

If you continue to gamble with the ocean, the ocean will finally win in the end.

Baby steps boys...something more tangable and a lot less risk, and perhaps something that wont take up the precious time and money of Port Authorities.

DJ & co - I would really like to continue seeing you paddle, but you pull this bullsh#t again, and it'll be lights off .

My comments may seem harsh, but they are coming from a place of genuine concern. It makes me so upset to see foolish incidents like this occur in the first place, but then the "boys club" responses from the community. Please engage your brains next time or you'll end up on the 6 o'clock news as "man drowns in Port Phillip Bay". I'd really like not to see that happen.

Peace


Thanks for your post Skeeta.

The guys at Port Security also said that I did the right thing heading for that buoy and staying there and not trying to swim for it.

I don't claim to be a hero or anything in fact I'm embarrassed about all this and could have kept it to myself.. I'm sure the other guys would agree.. but sharing this drama and talking about it is the best thing to do.. IMO

DJ





Each to there own SKEETA!
But boys will be boys and our differences may never be reconciled.
This was not a boating incident. They were on boards specifically designed for the purpose. You don't see boats mixing it up at the local surf break. These were boards designed for the purpose and such conditions in mind.

DJ's seamanship is not in question, he has years of it under his belt.
His judgment? Sure. But his leg rope broke through some silly modification. He has admitted his mistake and he paid for it. The real gutsy effort was coming on here and admitting it could have been done better.

The reference to DJ's professionalism, I beleive was in regards to his journalistic prowess - keeping the camera rolling to the last minute, not how he approached the venture.

No one is saying that mistakes were not made, but for many life is only truly lived when you occasionally go to the edge. You don't have to participate and there will always be critics but some people will always climb the highest mountain no matter what the risk.

We live in a world where everyone wants to wrap up everything on cotton wool and take little or no risk. We only reside here because our forefathers took huge risks.

It is not for everyone and they have admitted their mistakes but the sooner they go out and have another crack at it, (agreed with better planning) the better!

I will put money on it that if they don't someone will!


Couldn't of put it better myself AA hence why I sank to the lowest form of wit

Loving my red thumbs btw
pweedas
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13 Apr 2010 1:57pm
loco4olas said...

There are SO many lessons to be learned for all of us out of your experience.



There are.
And one of them is, first thing to think about even as you begin to fall off is GRAB THE BOARD.
Even without a paddle, it is more use to you than a paddle without a board.

In the 1960's I used to go surfing in winter, down south on my mal. Back then we did not have leg ropes and most did not have wet suits, including me.
We used to go a long way out.
If you fell in it was a long swim in cold water as you chased you board in, hoping to get it before it hit the rocks..
We fairly quickly learnt the art of automatically grabbing the board no matter how big the wipe out. Sometimes it didn't work but often it did.

For anyone in similar circumstances, as you fall in, remember, grab the board.
It won't blow away with you hanging on the back.


petemc
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13 Apr 2010 4:20pm
OMG, how stupid was the first guy to surf Pipe on a board not designed for that sort of wave. Not to mention Laird and all those other stupid big wave surfers taking their lives in their hands everytime they take on those huge waves. You can forget about jet skis and all that when you get pinned to the bottom or in a cave and run out of air. mmmmmm maybe small scuba tanks should be mandatory.

Thing is, we all take calculated risks, some small, some big, a lot of times they're successful, sometimes they're not. Can we reduce those risks, course we can but sometimes even the best laid plans come unstuck.

Glad you're still here DJ

Pete

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13 Apr 2010 4:08pm
DavidJohn said...

Please don't go there Christian..

IMO that guy was a fool and his was a 500% bigger risk than what we took.

DJ


I cant beleive that YOU said that, the risk you took was big enough
jed
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13 Apr 2010 6:21pm
Thanks DJ, you have done many people a big favour in telling this so well. There is a lot of food for thought here and some very important lessons.

The overriding one for me is not to fall into the trap of becoming complacent about open water downwinders. In my case, I have stopped taking my PFD (and, one by one, the whistle/mirror/roll of electrical tape etc etc - all the stuff that just seems superfluous and a bit anal) because I have never needed it. I have to reassess this now in light of your story.

Your story just goes to prove that 99 times out of 100 it won't go wrong - but when it does, it goes disastrously wrong.

Thanks again and I'm glad you got home.
boylos
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13 Apr 2010 6:30pm


Let's hope we don't here another story like this again!..... that's scary stuff !

I'm pleased you did the right thing and stayed tight on that buoy ,otherwise there's no way they would of seen you in those conditions.

I'm pleased your back on solid ground and alls well .... and a hard lesson learnt ....

Boylos

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13 Apr 2010 6:51pm
doggie said...

DavidJohn said...

Please don't go there Christian..

IMO that guy was a fool and his was a 500% bigger risk than what we took.

DJ


I cant beleive that YOU said that, the risk you took was big enough


Totally Agree, I would be calling NOBODY a fool if i was plucked from a bouy in the shipping channel in 50 knot winds. If all you big boys wana take the risks, live on the edge and follow your "forefathers" then when the SH1T hits the fan dont rely on others to pull you out of it. Yeah, it may be their job but others were put at risk in this rescue, not to mention resources used.
laceys lane
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13 Apr 2010 6:57pm
ALsUP said...

You're legend is growing DJ.

Just like The Lone Ranger, whose horse Silver returns home when he falls off.

Well done surviving to tell a great tale.

Where exactly did the board wash up at Sandy?

Is it out of action for Sundays race?

Alan.

ps. They might have spotted you earlier if you were wearing my wetsuit.


sugar and spice and all things nice,nothing makes me sick- till now. this isn't a bloody tv show. a guy just made it and the other 2 dragged themselfs up the beach counting their lucky stars- a great tale of a growing legend, my a##. take it for the warning and awareness that dj has intended it to be
Downwinder
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13 Apr 2010 8:10pm
brady said...

Great story and good outcome.

But one question - why on earth didn't you all stay together? Doing an open water crossing in a group for safety only works if you are a group!

YOUR FRIENDS SHOULD HAVE SLOWED DOWN AND WAITED FOR YOU!

I'd be having a few words with your friends about that.

G'brady or is it Gonad Man
Yes its very hard to stay together when doing a Downwind run as soon as you start you're pretty much on your own (sad but true)
DW

Allo
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13 Apr 2010 8:12pm
G'day Dave
Great story, thanks. Some great lessons learned.
A good friend once said in relation to ocean sailing, prepare for the worst, hope for the best. You were obviously well prepared, but had some really bad luck. An EPIRB or a SPOT would be a really good addition, but also I think strapping on a pair of flippers, like some of the tow surfers do, may also be a good idea if things really turn bad.
I'm also really impressed that you were able to successfully climb up on the bouy. I'm not sure I'd be able to do that.
ALsUP
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13 Apr 2010 8:13pm
laceys lane said...

ALsUP said...

You're legend is growing DJ.

Just like The Lone Ranger, whose horse Silver returns home when he falls off.

Well done surviving to tell a great tale.

Where exactly did the board wash up at Sandy?

Is it out of action for Sundays race?

Alan.

ps. They might have spotted you earlier if you were wearing my wetsuit.


sugar and spice and all things nice,nothing makes me sick- till now. this isn't a bloody tv show. a guy just made it and the other 2 dragged themselfs up the beach counting their lucky stars- a great tale of a growing legend, my a##. take it for the warning and awareness that dj has intended it to be


I'm not condoning the risks that were taken paddling across the bay in those conditions.
Enough has been said for and against it.

I was as concerned as anyone when I heard of the plans to make the crossing.
I rang DJ on Sunday morning to offer my services for ground support if they missed there landing mark and I made mention to make sure they stick together.

My post was merely celebrating the fact that DJ's still around and able to tell us his story.
Downwinder
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13 Apr 2010 8:15pm
Excellent story DJ thats All TimeI have a story but not as heavy as your. When I made it back to shore I went & got myself a cartoon of beer followed by a r##t. I'll tell you the story over a beer one day
DW
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