Do people still paddle these boards out or do they lay prone and paddle like a surf board?

7'7" x 27", rider 90 kg, need to continue padling a little to keep a float but> rides a wave like nothing else.....

CMC said...

AllisonFins said...



Thought I would share, hope it is OK (-: My friend Chris Hill from North Carolina rides this 7'6" for 6 hours this last week end. Chris is 6'4" at 220- lbs. Mahalo, Larry

I wondered if the Simmons type design had been made SUP. It has, how does that board perform Larry??

From what I understand the shortboards ride like boards much longer with more speed with the parallel rails.

I really want to try this but in a very short length.

CMC Thanks for asking, Here is a review from Chris Hill who owns and rides the Simmons inspired SUP board shaped by Greg Every posted on ProBox Finsystems Facebook Page:

Chris Hill charging the ProBox Movement in Simmons mode!
Wanted to share a new board with ProBox Fibre Glas Fin The board is a 7'6" Simmons inspired SUP and just for reference I'm 6'4" 220 lbs. We kept with the Simmons design with a displacment nose a single concave and wide tail. I'm so stoked to have ProBox in this board because of its adjustability and the way the fin system feels like glass on's. When I first noticed a difference was putting the fins in and the way the fin sucked into the system and became part of the board it was like it pulled into the board versus the other systems and the fins are just moved sideways or back. When riding it felt like there were as many gears as you wanted and no governer again they felt like glass on when riding, there was no sluggishness while up in the pocket high lining and no humming at speed , the fins felt so connected to the board. The fist pic is with the large fins in front set up like a normal Quad , this did not work well as the tail would break loose on hard turns so after talking with Larry Allison I moved the large fins to the back at zero degree cant and the small one forward at 6 degree cant and the board came to life.

boardbumps said...

Annie is a 50yr old teenager,
If your from the Noosa area you would have seen her surf. All the girls up there follow her board lengths. Its going to be fun watching the posse try and ride 7'3 boards.

As I said, it just depends on your skill and weight, Oh and good design skills by your shaper of choice.

Sounds like the same Annie. I am not really in on the "scene", but I do find it interesting to see who has taken up SUPs. I am happy I finnally made the move well before.I make 50. Someday soon I hope to test ride a nice little quad fin.

AllisonFins said...

CMC Thanks for asking, Here is a review from Chris Hill who owns and rides the Simmons inspired SUP board shaped by Greg Every posted on ProBox Finsystems Facebook Page:

Chris Hill charging the ProBox Movement in Simmons mode!
Wanted to share a new board with ProBox Fibre Glas Fin The board is a 7'6" Simmons inspired SUP and just for reference I'm 6'4" 220 lbs. We kept with the Simmons design with a displacment nose a single concave and wide tail. I'm so stoked to have ProBox in this board because of its adjustability and the way the fin system feels like glass on's. When I first noticed a difference was putting the fins in and the way the fin sucked into the system and became part of the board it was like it pulled into the board versus the other systems and the fins are just moved sideways or back. When riding it felt like there were as many gears as you wanted and no governer again they felt like glass on when riding, there was no sluggishness while up in the pocket high lining and no humming at speed , the fins felt so connected to the board. The fist pic is with the large fins in front set up like a normal Quad , this did not work well as the tail would break loose on hard turns so after talking with Larry Allison I moved the large fins to the back at zero degree cant and the small one forward at 6 degree cant and the board came to life.

Quite a good review of the fin system

How about the board? What are the dimensions?

CMC said...

AllisonFins said...

CMC Thanks for asking, Here is a review from Chris Hill who owns and rides the Simmons inspired SUP board shaped by Greg Every posted on ProBox Finsystems Facebook Page:

Chris Hill charging the ProBox Movement in Simmons mode!
Wanted to share a new board with ProBox Fibre Glas Fin The board is a 7'6" Simmons inspired SUP and just for reference I'm 6'4" 220 lbs. We kept with the Simmons design with a displacment nose a single concave and wide tail. I'm so stoked to have ProBox in this board because of its adjustability and the way the fin system feels like glass on's. When I first noticed a difference was putting the fins in and the way the fin sucked into the system and became part of the board it was like it pulled into the board versus the other systems and the fins are just moved sideways or back. When riding it felt like there were as many gears as you wanted and no governer again they felt like glass on when riding, there was no sluggishness while up in the pocket high lining and no humming at speed , the fins felt so connected to the board. The fist pic is with the large fins in front set up like a normal Quad , this did not work well as the tail would break loose on hard turns so after talking with Larry Allison I moved the large fins to the back at zero degree cant and the small one forward at 6 degree cant and the board came to life.

Quite a good review of the fin system

How about the board? What are the dimensions?

Thanks CMC, The board is 30" wide with 22 1/2" wide tail 4 1/2" thick.

husq2100 said...

CMC, I cant see those wide tailed boards getting driving tight turns like a pin....They might be fast down the line, but I would think they be a bit skatey

You are right husq2100, most Sup Quads are skatey which is why the center box for a pivot point type fin to take the skate feel out, like the Jay Richardson board in the pic below owned by the editor of Stand Up Paddle Magazine Reid Inouye. This type of fin we are playing with also in the Simmons inspired board to find if it can get dialed in. There are more than 24 adjustment possibilities to try this Simmons inspired board using ProBox Finsystems to find the sweet combo's. Just starting to push the envelope, will share results. Mahalo, Larry

AllisonFins said...



Thought I would share, hope it is OK (-: My friend Chris Hill from North Carolina rides this 7'6" for 6 hours this last week end. Chris is 6'4" at 220- lbs. Mahalo, Larry

I REALLY like the look of this board. Remminds me a lot of a 5'10" fish I was riding before I got my SUP. It flys in small stuff.

Pity this shaper is in the Ststes. Looks like a custom ?

Nobody believes me about bigger back fins in Quads. There is some proof right there from a fin guru.....

thanks for the info Larry.

CMC, yep IMO one board wont do it all. 2 is even a stretch haha. For surf I have a 10.6 mal shape which is awesome and then a smaller board 8.4 say for surfing good clean days....

just need to get my feet wet

Wiggs said...

Mate, best advice I can offer is that "litreage" should be relative to the size of your arse! For example...


Naish 17 Glide

When did you go back to Naish Wiggs,Are your undies custom,popouts or DJ specials

Going small can mean many things:

- have less volume: I guess this is what we see with boards used in competition, or for good riders in good waves (tubes). For this approach, like goatman said, you tend to keep some relative length for paddling power, and keep width and rail volume to a minimum, with good rocker. Kind of "minigun" shapes.

- go shorter: this will bring you insane speed sensations: at the same water speed, a 5'9" will "feel" twice faster than a 8'9", all the more so in slow waves. This will bring SUPing to another level for people locked in places with gutless waves, or rather surfing alone on smaller peaks than in better, but crowded peaks, or with expert SUPers in good waves wanting to experiment. What it brings you is that you are not forced anymore to shift too much you weight backwards when turning, to keep the nose of a longer board from touching the wave, especially in small waves with not a lot of room. raising the nose slows the board in turns, a shorter board allows you to keep accelerating in turns in small waves.
The drawbacks will be:
* heavy row: paddling will be cautious, you cannot have bursts of speed. Not good for contests or crowded spots, hard to jockey for positioning for getting the priority.
* chop: take off will be tricky in chop, chop can stop the board or put you off balance easily
* finding a good shaper: the trick is to be able to provide enough volume but keep it away from the places it could deter performance
* adapting it to your weigth/size/ability: small changes means a very different ride, so you may have to try a lot of them to find the one that fits you. My "wombat" 6'9" rides very differently than my more "shortboard" like 6'8" (116 and 120 liters for my 100kg). and the 5'11" I tried was in another world...
* you must have the surfing knowledge to read the wave and know what to do with the potential of the board. No need to have a board that can turn if you do not know how to turn...

For the volume, you need to float. This means that the number of liters should be your weight + weight of board + weigth of paddle, wetsuit, etc... in kilos. More liters (10 to 20) will bring some comfort in chop.
Thus a 80kg SUPer could take a 90l board on glassy conditions, 110l in choppy ones.

Myself, I only use ShortSUps now (less than 7', about my weight + 15/20l), with the exception of:
a wide 7'4" for heavy chop or when I am tired or ill (+30l)
a "minigun" 8'9" for heavy conditions or outer reefs (+25l)

And for "what is stupid", I guess that would be using the wrong board for the conditions: a "minigun" in fat waves, or a 6'0" ShortSUP in big waves with a lot of chop... or just suffering trying to float on them just for peer pressure.

Have another look at the video of small wave surfing, I have brought it back to the top.

The board is a PINTAIL and has lots of tail kick.

Is this what you would call loose surfing on a rail in tiny gutless waves.

the board is 8'6 x 30.75"x 117 ltr x 7.2kg and the rider is 57yr old and 95kg

Wiggs said...
What's the width of these?
Are they all the same width but just vary in length?

No, they are (quite) different shapes. You have the full dims at http://www.gongsup.com/-SUP-Boards-.html?lang=fr specifically:
2012 6'8" Bamby Miapolis, width: 31'' 1/2
2011 6'9" Mutant Caribou, width: 31'' 1/2
2012 7'4" Bamby Shake, , width: 32" 5/16
2012 8'9" Bamby 777, width: 30" 5/16

And if you make 2 boards of the same shape but with a different volume, for lighter and heavier people, you will have to adapt the shape, it wont work well by just scaling the bigger board up. For instance, you will have to have a faster rocker for the bigger board, etc...

Thanks heaps for all the input. Just had four days of fun waves testing my new 8'8" by 27' at
3.5 thick. Too fun. Legs burning. Stoked