Have PSH changed their shapes?

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DavidJohn
DavidJohn
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29 Dec 2009 8:12pm
I was at my local SUP dealer today after paddling and I spotted some new PSH boards.

There's no doubt that PSH boards work well and I'm no expert but I always thought they were a little flat and needed some more nose rocker.

They seemed to nose dive a bit on take-off (well for me they did for me) but this board seems very different.. it also felt much lighter.. and thiner in the nose and tail.

This is the new 9'6" Ripper and straight away it seemed like the nose rocker was different.. What do you guys think?

Also I notice the added fin boxes so it can be run as a quad.. Did they have that before?

Maybe AA can explain.. Maybe it's just me... It was a very nice looking board.. (IMO)..

DJ







tha dogman
tha dogman
NSW
2912 posts
NSW, 2912 posts
29 Dec 2009 8:16pm
yo DJ

you are right

they are lighter

better finish

the tail on that 9'6 is sick super thinned out and they have a hand hole

carry on DJ

JonathanC
JonathanC
VIC
1024 posts
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29 Dec 2009 8:40pm
Love the first photo DJ, lost count of the number of brands in the photo but I think it was 15.....

New PSH looks fantastic - do you know dimensions and volume (I know Blane hates people asking about volume)
OG SUP
OG SUP
VIC
3516 posts
VIC, 3516 posts
29 Dec 2009 9:03pm
Hey Dj,

I am the dedicated PSH Gun pimp and resident PSH board whore in Vicco on this forum.

This post clearly breaches pimping demarcation lines, there are no Naish, Supvic, Kialoa stickers etc visible in this post. And for that matter where the f$#% are the crocs???????????

Please ensure that an additional post is added immediately pimping all expected brands and showing at least 1 casual croc pic before other breezers think you have sold out.

Best regards

Phill





earplugalug
earplugalug
QLD
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QLD, 13 posts
29 Dec 2009 8:07pm
Thats better

Thanks DavidJohn

Look me up if you get to Noosa

BJ
DavidJohn
DavidJohn
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29 Dec 2009 9:12pm
earplugalug said...

Thats better

Thanks DavidJohn

Look me up if you get to Noosa

BJ


Cheers BJ.. will do..

DJ

hilly
hilly
WA
8120 posts
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29 Dec 2009 6:12pm
Same old 9 6 WR DJ nothing new there apart from the quad set up. Sick board Blanes best shorty not as good as the 12er though lol.

About time we started whoring PSH again :-)

new stuff out soon! big things!
Ben dover
Ben dover
QLD
504 posts
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29 Dec 2009 9:26pm
Don't worry DJ I looked him up for ya.


The Hideaway Men's Resort

386 David Low Way, North Peregian Beach.

Noosa Heads, Queensland 4573

(07) 5448-1006

www.hideawaymensresort.net/
wazza66
wazza66
QLD
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QLD, 622 posts
29 Dec 2009 9:42pm
How do you know about his resort Jake????????
Scotty Mac
Scotty Mac
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29 Dec 2009 10:17pm
I think I know what it is. The PSH molded boards are designed in different eras so the one your looking at is a more recent shape so thats why the tail and nose is a bit thinner etc. I noticed it in the local PSH shop is SA the otherday that the 9'6" wide ripper had a thinner tail than the 9'3" ripper which does not makes sense. Then I realised the proto for the 9'3" is probally just a little older, thats all.
Scotty Mac
Scotty Mac
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29 Dec 2009 10:18pm
Yer Jake, if he mentions your name, will he get discount?
Ben dover
Ben dover
QLD
504 posts
QLD, 504 posts
29 Dec 2009 9:50pm
Now that's another story Wazza,

Don't wanna hi-jack the thread for any longer.

hilly
hilly
WA
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29 Dec 2009 7:55pm
They might look like this


hilly
hilly
WA
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29 Dec 2009 7:57pm
or this

OG SUP
OG SUP
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29 Dec 2009 11:30pm
Lovin your work Jake,

Congrats on the Mambo win too well deserved!

Phill

Ben dover said...

Don't worry DJ I looked him up for ya.


The Hideaway Men's Resort

386 David Low Way, North Peregian Beach.

Noosa Heads, Queensland 4573

(07) 5448-1006

www.hideawaymensresort.net/


Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
7608 posts
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29 Dec 2009 8:52pm
OG SUP said...

This post clearly breaches pimping demarcation lines, there are no Naish...

Put your glasses on Phill
I can see 2 or 3 Naishs in the first pic, 2 in the second and at least 2 in the fourth?

hilly
hilly
WA
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29 Dec 2009 8:55pm
Greenroom said...

OG SUP said...

This post clearly breaches pimping demarcation lines, there are no Naish...

Put your glasses on Phill
I can see 2 or 3 Naishs in the first pic, 2 in the second and at least 2 in the fourth?





DavidJohn
DavidJohn
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30 Dec 2009 12:51am
I did also notice the hand hole.

Thanks for the info hilly.. Those hand glassed boards look great.

DJ

Bnaccas
Bnaccas
VIC
1722 posts
VIC, 1722 posts
30 Dec 2009 1:09am
Yep MUCH better looking boards!

BUT...DJ now thats the 2nd time you have posted that pic. Thats 2 plugs for Jet Pilot, 2 too many! Whats your connection? Boardshorts?
Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
7608 posts
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30 Dec 2009 1:45am
And thats SHQ all over the floor mat!
linter
linter
223 posts
223 posts
30 Dec 2009 2:24am
DavidJohn said...


There's no doubt that PSH boards work well and I'm no expert but I always thought they were a little flat and needed some more nose rocker.

They seemed to nose dive a bit on take-off (well for me they did for me) (IMO)..


and me too. i wonder why it's so flat. i mean, those guys know what they're doing. but it seems to me a little more nose rocker is called for on at least the WAA's, if not the others.


NC Surfer
NC Surfer
142 posts
142 posts
30 Dec 2009 4:48am
Regarding the lack of nose rocker........

I found they don't surf like they look.

The nose never stuck on me because the boards have a lot of total rocker curve tip to tail. Meaning you don't have to move much toward the rear and the nose rises and doesn't stick. While some SUPs I've surfed you can run all over the deck and not get the nose to rise enough to keep it from sticking.

If anything, they are extra responsive walking the deck. So much so, they can pick up slight instability from it. Unique in that you can get some instability from heavy rocker curve tip to tail.

Anyway, those were my impressions from owning a couple of them about a year ago. I'd like to try the newest shapes someday.
CMC
CMC
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30 Dec 2009 9:41am
I wondered if they looked less rockered as the deck was flatter into the nose being that if you ran a straight edge on the bottom the rocker is still there but the deck without the corresponding curve created an optical illusion of flatness.

I'd love to see the measurements of both on the bottom to see if I was correct.
NC Surfer
NC Surfer
142 posts
142 posts
30 Dec 2009 9:08am
CMC said...

I wondered if they looked less rockered as the deck was flatter into the nose being that if you ran a straight edge on the bottom the rocker is still there but the deck without the corresponding curve created an optical illusion of flatness.

I'd love to see the measurements of both on the bottom to see if I was correct.


You are correct. When I had mine hanging in the garage, you could see this very clearly.
It also helps create that thick middle and thin tip and tail.
linter
linter
223 posts
223 posts
30 Dec 2009 11:28am
well, all i know is i've surfed the 9.6 waa and the 10.6 waa and neither seems to have the nose rocker that the starboard drive does. iow, on the psh's i've got to step back a little sometimes to keep from pearling more often than i do on the drive. but maybe it's not nose rocker that's the issue here; if it's some other design (or rider) factor, i don't know what it is.
interesting discussion, in any event!
Scotty Mac
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SA
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30 Dec 2009 10:28pm
hILLY,
i seen that pic of the gun on the zone. It's a master piece, I would love to have it on my wall and look at it all day. One day I am going to HI to buy a beast like that one. Be sweet on our west coast in SA.
hilly
hilly
WA
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30 Dec 2009 8:04pm
linter said...

well, all i know is i've surfed the 9.6 waa and the 10.6 waa and neither seems to have the nose rocker that the starboard drive does. iow, on the psh's i've got to step back a little sometimes to keep from pearling more often than i do on the drive. but maybe it's not nose rocker that's the issue here; if it's some other design (or rider) factor, i don't know what it is.
interesting discussion, in any event!


First person I have heard say that! Would love to see a photo of the bottom rocker profile of both boards.
linter
linter
223 posts
223 posts
30 Dec 2009 8:35pm
probably the first and last. as i say, it may just be me!
laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
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30 Dec 2009 10:52pm
imo, there is way more to a rocker than having the nose and tail bent up- lots more. thats the art of shaping- a good rocker that still lets the board run
cheers

SammyJ
SammyJ
WA
571 posts
WA, 571 posts
30 Dec 2009 9:15pm
I have a board with heaps of nose and tail lift with flatish rocker through the middle that glides better than a starboad 5 inches longer, double concave has a lot to say for it self. Thing is rocker can be combated with cocave to a certain extent, tail lift certainly is. The distinguishing point is where the rockwer flatens out some boards feel like they are pushing to much water.
AA
AA
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3 Jan 2010 10:49pm
Sorry to come in late on this but Xmas/New Year was madness in our household (gotta love it)!

Hope all the crew out there had an awesome Xmas and epic New Year's - here's to good waves and good times in 2010!

Just thought I would clarify...

Scotty Mac said...

I think I know what it is. The PSH molded boards are designed in different eras so the one your looking at is a more recent shape so thats why the tail and nose is a bit thinner etc. I noticed it in the local PSH shop is SA the otherday that the 9'6" wide ripper had a thinner tail than the 9'3" ripper which does not makes sense. Then I realised the proto for the 9'3" is probally just a little older, thats all.


Spot on Scotty. When I first met Blane in Nov. 2007 he was raving and riding the 9'3 Ripper. We struggled to get our hands on any until summer 2008/9. By this time Blane had progressed his designs and refined the shapes, especially the tails - the 12' Gun, 10'6 WAA and the 9'6 Wide Ripper were created and these boards took it to a whole new level. Many consider the 96WR to be the best board Blane has shaped (and put into production).

The board DJ posted is the new Quad version of the 96 Wide Ripper. All the latest boards come with handle and Quad fin option.

As for the rocker discussion, this is an interesting one. I have ridden many different boards over the years and the PSH rocker (taking drops) is not something that has ever been something on my radar. Plenty of crew swear by the flatter rocker believing that the advantages far out way any disadvantages.



Once you master taking the drop (which does not take long) the drive and speed down the line is addictive.



The 12' Gun typifies this - its rocker looks flat, but turn that thing off the bottom in anything over 4' and it takes off. It also helps the board paddle faster - I think Mat Granger just won (or placed) in the 12'6 division in the the Fenn Cup yesterday, on a 12' Gun.

There is a really interesting interview with Steve Boehne in the latest edition of The StandUp journal where he talks specifically about rocker and how the has come to the conclusion that high performance SUP's don't need the same rocker (relative to length) as normal short boards, in fact they perform better with less.

Obviously a topic where there will always be 2 or 3 schools of thought, and one that will probably go on for a long time yet....
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