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Future of inflatables

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Created by Dingleberry > 9 months ago, 25 Mar 2015
Dingleberry
VIC, 53 posts
25 Mar 2015 7:01PM
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What does everybody think, will inflatables gain in popularity? Will there be more dedicated events like the n1sco races? Where is it all going?

DavidJohn
VIC, 17569 posts
25 Mar 2015 7:56PM
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Bigger than Ben Hur.. IMO..

Coastie
NSW, 76 posts
25 Mar 2015 7:57PM
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They're all a load of hot air if you ask me


Area10
1508 posts
25 Mar 2015 6:55PM
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If someone can come up with a way to produce proper rails and a displacement nose on an inflatable then it's all over for epoxy. Although I'd still be worried about using an inflatable for eg. inter-island crossings etc. A valve failure miles out to sea would be interesting. It will be also fun to see what happens the first time a shark takes a nibble on an inflatable :)

However, if the epoxy manufacturers can come up with a very durable construction (like eg. the Bounce Composites guys are doing), then this could save hard boards.

Every time I take my hard downwind boards out, I can't help thinking to myself that basically the construction isn't fit for purpose. To have a fantastically expensive item that is going to be used in as harsh an environment as a big downwinder built to be as fragile as an egg really is madness. One fall, mistaken tap with the paddle, or a missed piece of gravel in the car park when resting the board, and it's a big repair bill. That's nuts. Nuts also are the storage and transport issues that come with big fragile boards. Those of us who SUP seriously don't mind so much now because (a) we've got used to it and (b) the performance gap between inflatables and hard boards is so substantial at present. But as performance innovations come about through technological advances in iSUP manufacture, that will change IMO.

However, I think this argument is mainly true for distance boards. Surf SUPs seem to be getting smaller, and so the transport and storage issues are smaller for them. Plus, it is going to be very hard to recreate the complexity of the shape of a surf SUP in an iSUP. So I am less convinced that we will see inflatables ever take more than a small share of the surf SUP market.

So, whitewater SUPs will probably never be epoxy, or at least fully epoxy. Plastic composite or inflatable will be the way to go. Flatwater boards could well become mostly inflatable. But ocean crossing and DW boards may well still remain largely hard construction, albeit maybe not epoxy. And surf SUPs will remain substantially hard construction too, past the beginner stage. The overall proportions of these in each discipline will depend on technological advances allowing greater durability and weight savings in hard construction, and better rail, rocker and nose profiles in inflatables.

SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
25 Mar 2015 10:37PM
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it will keep getting more popular now the big brands have invested in it . four years ago there was only one or two brands available . and if you metioned it on here you would get ridiculed.

now they are all pumping it up !!!!

hilly
WA, 7932 posts
25 Mar 2015 8:27PM
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Coastie said..
They're all a load of hot air if you ask me




I am with you they are average

Chilebear
128 posts
26 Mar 2015 1:13AM
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This might have a future for the fun SUPper

gregc
VIC, 1299 posts
26 Mar 2015 8:29AM
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Now I reckon this could be something to look at if you were travelling a bit. nice stuff

petedorries
QLD, 700 posts
26 Mar 2015 8:16AM
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Its going to be interesting
With regards to racing you want to go fast
When it comes to cruising especially for travellers (cruise boats, RV's etc) its a big popular market

Chilebear
128 posts
26 Mar 2015 8:17AM
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Its perfect for traveling and storing.I havent met anyone who has ridden it yet.

It wont be like a solid rigid board but it could be close.

teatrea
QLD, 4177 posts
26 Mar 2015 11:51AM
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good for exploring travelling as for race boards , ****e

Gorgo
VIC, 5107 posts
26 Mar 2015 1:00PM
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I have had two demos of inflatables. The first was absolute crap. The second was ok. If they keep improving then they could be quite good.

They need to address the problems of crap rails, crap fins, can be a bit "corky", have dodgy finish and can be a bit of a pain to pump up.

The dirty secret of SUP is that big boards are too heavy, too fragile, too expensive and too big to store and transport. Inflatables address most of those problems.

DavidJohn
VIC, 17569 posts
26 Mar 2015 1:17PM
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Check out this 14' x 29'' inflatable from Airboard.. nicknamed the Pinocchio..



Soon there'll be more inflatables out there than hard boards [except for surfing and DW boards]






PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
26 Mar 2015 1:36PM
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Credit to Naish for coming up with the N1SCO race series concept to get people trying inflatables, but at the same time, it has tended to stymy the development of inflatable race boards as well as the punters' experience and belief in terms of what an inflatable race board can do. Naish very cleverly set a design in concrete so they don't have to undertake any R&D to improve the shape. That's fine for a one-design race format. Works for Naish. However there are undoubtedly faster inflatable race boards available, but there are no opportunities to race them head-to-head because Naish has cleverly excluded these opposition brands from competing in the only inflatable race events going around. Consequently, the other brands are not putting too much R&D into their designs because they are not getting as much attention as the Naish One. Why bother improving your board when it is already significantly better than the market leader?

I think if the industry or market place was to break the shackles of the one-design monopoly, we would then see inflatable race board design progress so much faster that they could well become a viable option to replace carbon boards for events like Battle of the Paddle. Perhaps that wouldn't happen organically. It might require the boards to get within 5% of the performance of the carbon boards, and then through overwhelming acceptance of the top competitors that it makes sense, rules could come into effect to propel inflatables as the elite class required equipment.

In the surf, I doubt that inflatables will ever be able to replace a hard board. In white water and rivers and for exploring and travel, inflatables are the way to go.

Gorgo
VIC, 5107 posts
26 Mar 2015 2:38PM
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Does anyone really care about the N1SCO series? Really? Does anyone really care about racing in general? It's fun if there's a community race on to participate and hang out, but really going racing?

I would suggest that the vast majority of people want a nice board that they can do stuff on and get out and have fun. It would almost be a marketing plus to be selling a non-N1SCO board. "Ours is so much better and we're not limited by the crappy old one design rules."

DavidJohn
VIC, 17569 posts
26 Mar 2015 3:30PM
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Gorgo said..
Does anyone really care about the N1SCO series? Really? Does anyone really care about racing in general? It's fun if there's a community race on to participate and hang out, but really going racing?

I would suggest that the vast majority of people want a nice board that they can do stuff on and get out and have fun. It would almost be a marketing plus to be selling a non-N1SCO board. "Ours is so much better and we're not limited by the crappy old one design rules."


That's why I bought a 12'x34'' board..

AndyR
QLD, 1344 posts
26 Mar 2015 7:44PM
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DJ that is the best marketing I have ever seen for a board.
Seriously naish owe you royalties or something.
If I was in the market for an inflatable and watched that I would be knocking on the door of my local shop and ordering one straight away.
The big brands don't show the caraistics of the boards like you do in their promo stuff

DavidJohn
VIC, 17569 posts
27 Mar 2015 12:46PM
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AndyR said..
DJ that is the best marketing I have ever seen for a board.
Seriously naish owe you royalties or something.
If I was in the market for an inflatable and watched that I would be knocking on the door of my local shop and ordering one straight away.
The big brands don't show the caraistics of the boards like you do in their promo stuff






Ha.. It is a shame that big brand promo vids don't show their boards better..

It just so happens that I like Naish.. and choose to buy Naish.. and so that's why Naish is what's in my vids.. If I had chosen Starboard to buy and use it would be Starboards in my vids.. That's all there is to it..

Maybe thats why the red thumbs that some people continue to put on anything I post with my boards in it.. They think it's some kind of sneaky Naish promo or something.. I don't know.. Don't really care..

Check out this vid of this kid on a big 15' Gong inflatable in his flooded backyard.. Great cross stepping..

BruceT
VIC, 93 posts
27 Mar 2015 2:06PM
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maybe the Gong kid will inspire a new competition format - SUP flatwater freestyle??

Windgenuity
NSW, 675 posts
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27 Mar 2015 2:54PM
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Some interesting view points on the One Design concept. The N1SCO tour has been a huge investment on our/Naish's part to help grow a social and fun part of the market with an easy and affordable racing platform. The board being one design allows someone to purchase a board and not find they are totally out gunned in 2 years because the design has changed. It is irrelevant if the board could be faster, stiffer or anything, One Design is all about a consistant and equal racing platform where the only difference is you. Travel and durability of the boards are a huge plus, and of coarse the initial purchase price being much cheaper than a carbon or similar race board.

So far this year we have held 4 racces in the N1SCO tour, and each one has been a total blast. People love the concept and the non-intimidating race format. Another big plus with N1SCO is it is an international racing organization, meaning you could travel anywhere in the world and race on your Naish ONE and it will be just you vs. the others, no penalty for not having the fastest board on the coarse because you couldn't travel with it.

N1SCO is growing and so is the inflatable market. This year the Naish ONE inflatable if our 5th biggest selling model only to be beaten by the Nalu 10'6" and Mana/Alana boards. This means the potential of bigger and more involved social race/paddle fleets is huge.

Why not be part of something big, it's a blast.

Ride safe,

JB

Windgenuity
NSW, 675 posts
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27 Mar 2015 2:57PM
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also forgot to mention the ability to introduce new comers and kids to a racing format that is easy to learn, but still competitive due to it's One Design.

JB

NNSUP
NSW, 1263 posts
27 Mar 2015 3:01PM
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I believe they sell more inflatables in Europe than hard boards due to the storage and transport issues.

AndyR
QLD, 1344 posts
27 Mar 2015 2:21PM
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DavidJohn said...
AndyR said..
DJ that is the best marketing I have ever seen for a board.
Seriously naish owe you royalties or something.
If I was in the market for an inflatable and watched that I would be knocking on the door of my local shop and ordering one straight away.
The big brands don't show the caraistics of the boards like you do in their promo stuff






Ha.. It is a shame that big brand promo vids don't show their boards better..

It just so happens that I like Naish.. and choose to buy Naish.. and so that's why Naish is what's in my vids.. If I had chosen Starboard to buy and use it would be Starboards in my vids.. That's all there is to it..

Maybe thats why the red thumbs that some people continue to put on anything I post with my boards in it.. They think it's some kind of sneaky Naish promo or something.. I don't know.. Don't really care..

Check out this vid of this kid on a big 15' Gong inflatable in his flooded backyard.. Great cross stepping..




Yeah don't worry about the red thumb haters. I'm A fan of your videos and creative skills you have of filming and mashing them together.
The more you film the better the sup world is to learn from

Drewm
VIC, 159 posts
27 Mar 2015 4:15PM
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Laser. One design racing. One of the biggest sailing classes in the world, been in the olympics since forever, and that thing is a very old, heavy, slow piece of rubbish (in my opinion).

Well played Naish for investing the time and money into creating a race series that appeals to the masses, I think the other big iSUP brands simply missed the boat on that one.

Drew

briann8300
NSW, 143 posts
27 Mar 2015 4:35PM
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Agree with Andy ....keep it all rolling DJ..

Piros
QLD, 7236 posts
27 Mar 2015 5:09PM
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Area 10 said :- "If someone can come up with a way to produce proper rails and a displacement nose on an inflatable then it's all over for epoxy."

Spot on and fin connections need to be reversed and inside the board , plus take a decent fin.The boards have come a really long way since I made this video over 4 years ago , this was the best you could get by Boardworks back then but the board is still going strong today.

I have put out over a 100 videos and this by far has the most hits with over 88,000 plays , so the potential market is huge.

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
27 Mar 2015 6:57PM
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Drewm said..
Laser. One design racing. One of the biggest sailing classes in the world, been in the olympics since forever, and that thing is a very old, heavy, slow piece of rubbish (in my opinion).

Well played Naish for investing the time and money into creating a race series that appeals to the masses, I think the other big iSUP brands simply missed the boat on that one.

Drew



No doubt Naish as well as Windgenuity absolutely nailed it in terms of marketing strategy with the Naish One, and they caught the other brands out.

I just lament that the appeal of that board, and the whole point to maintaining the same design over several years in order to eliminate redundancy (which again, is brilliant strategy) is also the one thing that by its very nature and definition is working to stop the evolution of inflatable race boards to possibly challenge carbon boards.

Kudos to Naish, but the One/N1SCO is certainly the Laser sailboat of the SUP world.

laceys lane
QLD, 19804 posts
27 Mar 2015 6:15PM
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Area10 said..
If someone can come up with a way to produce proper rails and a displacement nose on an inflatable then it's all over for epoxy. Although I'd still be worried about using an inflatable for eg. inter-island crossings etc. A valve failure miles out to sea would be interesting. It will be also fun to see what happens the first time a shark takes a nibble on an inflatable :)

However, if the epoxy manufacturers can come up with a very durable construction (like eg. the Bounce Composites guys are doing), then this could save hard boards.

Every time I take my hard downwind boards out, I can't help thinking to myself that basically the construction isn't fit for purpose. To have a fantastically expensive item that is going to be used in as harsh an environment as a big downwinder built to be as fragile as an egg really is madness. One fall, mistaken tap with the paddle, or a missed piece of gravel in the car park when resting the board, and it's a big repair bill. That's nuts. Nuts also are the storage and transport issues that come with big fragile boards. Those of us who SUP seriously don't mind so much now because (a) we've got used to it and (b) the performance gap between inflatables and hard boards is so substantial at present. But as performance innovations come about through technological advances in iSUP manufacture, that will change IMO.

However, I think this argument is mainly true for distance boards. Surf SUPs seem to be getting smaller, and so the transport and storage issues are smaller for them. Plus, it is going to be very hard to recreate the complexity of the shape of a surf SUP in an iSUP. So I am less convinced that we will see inflatables ever take more than a small share of the surf SUP market.

So, whitewater SUPs will probably never be epoxy, or at least fully epoxy. Plastic composite or inflatable will be the way to go. Flatwater boards could well become mostly inflatable. But ocean crossing and DW boards may well still remain largely hard construction, albeit maybe not epoxy. And surf SUPs will remain substantially hard construction too, past the beginner stage. The overall proportions of these in each discipline will depend on technological advances allowing greater durability and weight savings in hard construction, and better rail, rocker and nose profiles in inflatables.


true displacement noses are old hat so there is no need for them on inflatable boards unless river paddling is your only thing.

inflatable sit so high I doubt a displace nose would make an impression


however rail/edges and stiffness are the future keys.

petedorries
QLD, 700 posts
27 Mar 2015 6:33PM
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those red thumbs just make you go faster DJ

colas
5366 posts
27 Mar 2015 5:20PM
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Inflatables are not the boards to do rollers on, but they now can hold some trim very well, as the history of surfing with inflatable mats demonstrate.

If you look at this picture you can see the water is wrapping nicely around the rail to hold the board in the "wave"... and notice the smile of the rider :-)



I guess everybody will end up with an inflatable in his/her quiver. I bought one for my wife, she prefers it for cruising: fells stabler and more friendly than her epoxy board. She doesn't surf... but I think the majority of SUP owners won't surf either.
Of course rigidity is an issue, I think we should see boards coming in diffferent thicknesses for different rider weights.

bradsdubs
QLD, 161 posts
28 Mar 2015 10:33AM
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One Design Racing....for those of you who raced Windsurfers...remember how much fun and enjoyment was in that sport...the gear race then began and the sport lost its way for the mainstream.
The Naish one design sup racing is fun as and reminds me of those days. Keep up the one design racing Naish and I'd encourage people to get behind it..you don't even need to buy one to race..Naish supply them! but you just might want to buy an inflatable sup of some type in the future, once you've tried one!



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