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husq2100
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30 Jan 2012 10:50pm
Hey Peasy, when you say bop, do you mean in the surf?
Secret Agent
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30 Jan 2012 11:03pm
husq2100 said...

Hey Peasy, when you say bop, do you mean in the surf?


Hey Husq,
Yes mate, it will be in the surf. We are looking at two races where one is designed with keeping in mind everyone's ability and the other will be a dash and bash! Well, not neccessary in that order.
We want everyone to experience this style of racing. Doesn't matter if your a beginner paddler or an Elite Racer, just looking to give everyone the opportunity to give it a go.
husq2100
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30 Jan 2012 11:08pm
good stuff. hopefully not to long a coarse for bums like me
Secret Agent
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30 Jan 2012 11:21pm
husq2100 said...

good stuff. hopefully not to long a coarse for bums like me


lol, nah mate, will be a couple of distances. Maybe a two or three lapper for the guys and girls feeling their way and 4 or 5 laps for the more serious paddlers. Mate, you'll be fine. Just hurry up and pay ur membership! lol
teatrea
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31 Jan 2012 12:53pm
Secret Agent said...

teatrea said...

paul.j said...

teatrea said...

I do like the idea of the shorter races they offer though , not every one likes paddling marathons.


You should like whats coming up on the Goldy this year then!!! very exciting!!!!!




Do Tell


SUPSA has scheduled a heap of internal and external events this year. Next on the list of course is the "12 Towers Ocean SUP Race" (You'll kill it Teatree) followed by a 3 Race Flat Water Sprint Series. We designed a handicap short distance (For Teatree) and a couple of BOP Style events not to mention various external events too. A massive year for SUP. (Check out www.supsa.org for all details and events)
All we need is for everyone to support all races locally, State wide and Nationally. It doesn't matter who organisers them or what body sanctions it, just bloody get out there and do them. The only way SUP will truly take off in this country will be for everyone to stop bickering and get on with the enjoyment. Isn't that what it is all about?
Anyway, Just do it! (Hey, nice slogan)




Sounds great , i just ordered one of those wave jets , is that frowned upon
KellyM
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1 Feb 2012 12:55pm
Just quickly back to the question of no prize money for the women, I would really like to hear SUPA's or a representatives response on that.
I don't think the women are asking for or expect equal prize money (simply being the ratio of participants male to female is usually higher, which would generate a larger entry fee takings/prizepool) but just something to recognize there efforts in not only the race but supporting our sport, for any organization that says they want to promote and push stand up forward is only holding it back by not offering incentive to women, even if participation levels are low in some events they're not going to grow without it.
Now don't get me wrong I don't think racing is all about winning money, I actually think the opposite I love the personal challenge and also vibe of a like minded paddling community coming together racing and having fun and if you happen to win a few bucks for travel money and a few beers then that's a bonus.
On any given morning on Currumbin creek you can see half a dozen women training hard, pushing themselves and keeping half the blokes honest so why don't they deserve some recognition, even if they split the prize 80/20 70/30 whatever works I don't think you would change your male entry numbers and it would show the women that you support them fir supporting you
HerbertVoigt
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1 Feb 2012 1:32pm
Sounds like a pretty strong consensus here.

Another option is to have a base amount for prize money in each divison that is then increased by a set amount per peson to reflect the participation numbers within a certain category. The downside being the top competitors may not like the uncertainty.

Random prize draws are also a great way to increase interest and participation from the more casual paddlers. Again helping grow the overall base of the sport.

Just something to consider.
Cheers
Herb
JonesySUP
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1 Feb 2012 1:44pm
Hey don't forget, prize money is only for a very small group,
In the small local races, I think it should be "prizes" to all paddlers and free BBQ, drinks and beer.... ummm beer!!!!
surf4fun
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1 Feb 2012 11:55am
I don't represent SUPA or have any affiliation but in regards to Kelly's comment first of all let me say there should DEFINITLEY be prizes/money for the women.

BUT, if you look at the Dr the women received a third of the prize money that the men received in the 14 class. Does this seem fair when there were 25 men and 4 women? I wouldn't mind a 1 in 4 chance of winning $1000 opposed to a 1 in 25 of $3000.

On the other hand if it was based on number of participants generating prize money how many women or men for that matter would travel to possibly win $100 or $200 or less? In most cases that would hardly cover accommodation for an interstate trip or petrol for a run up/down the coast event.

I agree with HV, random prize draw is a great way to increase participation as it attracts all types of paddlers. At the Duel recently Coreban gave away a board as a random prize and it was the only presentation that I have seen everyone hang around for. In the end it went to probably the newest paddler out of everyone in the race, what a great way to secure him into the stoke of paddling.
Ali Cat
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1 Feb 2012 3:34pm
surf4fun said...

I don't represent SUPA or have any affiliation but in regards to Kelly's comment first of all let me say there should DEFINITLEY be prizes/money for the women.

BUT, if you look at the Dr the women received a third of the prize money that the men received in the 14 class. Does this seem fair when there were 25 men and 4 women? I wouldn't mind a 1 in 4 chance of winning $1000 opposed to a 1 in 25 of $3000.

On the other hand if it was based on number of participants generating prize money how many women or men for that matter would travel to possibly win $100 or $200 or less? In most cases that would hardly cover accommodation for an interstate trip or petrol for a run up/down the coast event.

I agree with HV, random prize draw is a great way to increase participation as it attracts all types of paddlers. At the Duel recently Coreban gave away a board as a random prize and it was the only presentation that I have seen everyone hang around for. In the end it went to probably the newest paddler out of everyone in the race, what a great way to secure him into the stoke of paddling.


Not trying to pick a bone, but when you look at The Doctor, the total prize money up for grabs for the men was $8,700 (for outright, 14' and 12'6") and for the women $1,300 (we couldn't choose a class). (You might argue that the outright money could go to women but in reality in any race which attracts a field of elite guys this isn't going to happen).

When you consider that 5 of the 39 starters were women (12.8%) and we were racing for 13% of the total prize pool, the organisers got the money spot on!

I think there are plenty of paddlers prepared to travel for the right events regardless of the prizes/money up for grabs. Anyone who tells you that they race SUP's to make profit is kidding themselves. Even for the most elite paddlers in the richest races, there's always someone else chasing close behind and prize money is (almost) never guaranteed. You only need to consider Molokai - the cost of entering this race is HUGE and even if you win 1st place you won't recover the costs of participating but plenty of people still do the race.

Locally, most of the Gold Coast crew who went up to the Ocean Addicts BOP race weren't going for the money (and happy to pay for the fuel regardless) and hopefully a good crew of Sunny Coasters will do the same for the 12 Towers this weekend.

Races without any money are fine and often a lot of fun and as you say a random draw for a major prize is a great way of getting lots of people involved!

As Kelly said though, I would still like some feedback from SUPA as to why they appear to be backing the men and not the women.
surf4fun
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1 Feb 2012 2:21pm
Ali Cat said...

surf4fun said...

I don't represent SUPA or have any affiliation but in regards to Kelly's comment first of all let me say there should DEFINITLEY be prizes/money for the women.

BUT, if you look at the Dr the women received a third of the prize money that the men received in the 14 class. Does this seem fair when there were 25 men and 4 women? I wouldn't mind a 1 in 4 chance of winning $1000 opposed to a 1 in 25 of $3000.

On the other hand if it was based on number of participants generating prize money how many women or men for that matter would travel to possibly win $100 or $200 or less? In most cases that would hardly cover accommodation for an interstate trip or petrol for a run up/down the coast event.

I agree with HV, random prize draw is a great way to increase participation as it attracts all types of paddlers. At the Duel recently Coreban gave away a board as a random prize and it was the only presentation that I have seen everyone hang around for. In the end it went to probably the newest paddler out of everyone in the race, what a great way to secure him into the stoke of paddling.


Not trying to pick a bone, but when you look at The Doctor, the total prize money up for grabs for the men was $8,700 (for outright, 14' and 12'6") and for the women $1,300 (we couldn't choose a class). (You might argue that the outright money could go to women but in reality in any race which attracts a field of elite guys this isn't going to happen).

When you consider that 5 of the 39 starters were women (12.8%) and we were racing for 13% of the total prize pool, the organisers got the money spot on!

I think there are plenty of paddlers prepared to travel for the right events regardless of the prizes/money up for grabs. Anyone who tells you that they race SUP's to make profit is kidding themselves. Even for the most elite paddlers in the richest races, there's always someone else chasing close behind and prize money is (almost) never guaranteed. You only need to consider Molokai - the cost of entering this race is HUGE and even if you win 1st place you won't recover the costs of participating but plenty of people still do the race.

Locally, most of the Gold Coast crew who went up to the Ocean Addicts BOP race weren't going for the money (and happy to pay for the fuel regardless) and hopefully a good crew of Sunny Coasters will do the same for the 12 Towers this weekend.

Races without any money are fine and often a lot of fun and as you say a random draw for a major prize is a great way of getting lots of people involved!

As Kelly said though, I would still like some feedback from SUPA as to why they appear to be backing the men and not the women.


I agree with you the Dr oganisers and sponsors got it spot on and with just reward for winning/placing in a tough race. My point was that if prize money was generated by entrance fees then it would have been a differnt story and may not have made the decision to travel as easy.

Also agree that there are very few paddlers if any who can survive on prize money alone and not have some sort of other income, whether it be paddling related or not.

Like you say most people are willing to travel regardless of prize money and just to be involved, for example I did the Hawkesbury Classic last year with no chance of winnnig any money but like Kelly said the personal challenge is half the fun.
angie pangi
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1 Feb 2012 4:30pm
KellyM said...

Just quickly back to the question of no prize money for the women, I would really like to hear SUPA's or a representatives response on that.
I don't think the women are asking for or expect equal prize money (simply being the ratio of participants male to female is usually higher, which would generate a larger entry fee takings/prizepool) but just something to recognize there efforts in not only the race but supporting our sport, for any organization that says they want to promote and push stand up forward is only holding it back by not offering incentive to women, even if participation levels are low in some events they're not going to grow without it.
Now don't get me wrong I don't think racing is all about winning money, I actually think the opposite I love the personal challenge and also vibe of a like minded paddling community coming together racing and having fun and if you happen to win a few bucks for travel money and a few beers then that's a bonus.
On any given morning on Currumbin creek you can see half a dozen women training hard, pushing themselves and keeping half the blokes honest so why don't they deserve some recognition, even if they split the prize 80/20 70/30 whatever works I don't think you would change your male entry numbers and it would show the women that you support them fir supporting you



Well said mate :)

That's all us girls want.

The fact is SUPA are putting up nothing for females at all is sad.

I know a few girls from Currumbin training area that were gonna go up and give this race a go but the attitude of SUPA about this has not only changed their minds about going but it has left a sour taste in their mouths.

I'm not asking for $1000 for the girls but when you offer money for guys of that amount, there should be little something for the girls.

You only have to look at some overseas events now offering equal male and female prize money. They those races get a massive amount of male & female racing, why? hhhmmm pretty easy to see.

Offer the $1000 for mens and watch how many girls you will get!

Offer $800 for mens and $200 for girls and watch how many you will get!

Offer $500 for 1st male and 1st female and watch how many girls you will get!

It's all good fun and not about prize money or how much prize money but it's more about supporting the people making the effort in coming along to the event and training their guts out to get there.

Flame suit on!!

XX angie
Ali Cat
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1 Feb 2012 6:01pm
surf4fun said...
My point was that if prize money was generated by entrance fees then it would have been a differnt story and may not have made the decision to travel as easy.


I still don't understand? If 13% of the entrants were females and 13% of the prize money was distributed to females - seems pretty fair.

If you're indicating that the total prize pool was generated by entry fees alone, then do you think all the guys would have still come?

I wanted to do this race regardless and knowing the Annabel was coming over to race meant that I knew I was essentially only racing for 2nd place ($200) or less - hardly enough money to base the decision to travel to Perth on?

ShireSUP
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1 Feb 2012 7:10pm
JonesySUP said...

Hey don't forget, prize money is only for a very small group,
In the small local races, I think it should be "prizes" to all paddlers and free BBQ, drinks and beer.... ummm beer!!!!


Blast Summer Series has all those, well except beer, perhaps we should speak to Dez, awesome prizes on the day and great prizes for the series and it dont matter whether your male/female/black/white or brindle!

Onya Dez
DUDE
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1 Feb 2012 7:37pm
This statement appears on the first page in eastcoast sup's post


Stay tuned for other prizes for other divisions.



I understand this has been sorted today
surf4fun
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1 Feb 2012 5:00pm
surf4fun said...





I agree with you the Dr oganisers and sponsors got it spot on and with just reward for winning/placing in a tough race. My point was that if prize money was generated by entrance fees then it would have been a differnt story and may not have made the decision to travel as easy.




Like you I knew there was no way I was going to win, but hoping to be competitive and compete against some of the best paddlers in the world in my back yard.
surf4fun
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1 Feb 2012 5:33pm
Extract from an email just received from SUPA:

Breaking news - $1,000 cash prize Womens Open
Downwind Race NSW State Titles


SUP Australia is proud to announce that Mark Mitchell from Jamieson Park Paddle has sponsored the NSW state titles Women's Downwind event on the Central Coast on 18-19 February 2012.

The $1,000 cash prize for the women's SUP event is a first in Australia with both men and women on the same financial footing. Its fantastic that sponsors like Mark are committed to developing the competition events here in Australia, says Will Anido, SUP Australia NSW State Director. Events such as this allow the best suppers in Australia to showcase their talent.
DUDE
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angie pangi said...
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I know a few girls from Currumbin training area that were gonna go up and give this race a go but the attitude of SUPA about this has not only changed their minds about going but it has left a sour taste in their mouths.

Umm The Central Coast N.S.W is south of Currumbin ,just in case anyone was Heading Up to enter the race
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1 Feb 2012 8:59pm
surf4fun said...

Extract from an email just received from SUPA:

Breaking news - $1,000 cash prize Womens Open
Downwind Race NSW State Titles


SUP Australia is proud to announce that Mark Mitchell from Jamieson Park Paddle has sponsored the NSW state titles Women's Downwind event on the Central Coast on 18-19 February 2012.

The $1,000 cash prize for the women's SUP event is a first in Australia with both men and women on the same financial footing. Its fantastic that sponsors like Mark are committed to developing the competition events here in Australia, says Will Anido, SUP Australia NSW State Director. Events such as this allow the best suppers in Australia to showcase their talent.



WOW! Awesome Mark. Great of you to step up like this when it was needed.

Maybe next year the short course sprint and mid course races could be out the front of your place on the lake as it's a cracker of a venue for that style of racing.

Sam.
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1 Feb 2012 9:05pm
DUDE said...

angie pangi said...
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I know a few girls from Currumbin training area that were gonna go up and give this race a go but the attitude of SUPA about this has not only changed their minds about going but it has left a sour taste in their mouths.

Umm The Central Coast N.S.W is south of Currumbin ,just in case anyone was Heading Up to enter the race



The QLD states are on the 11-12th of Feb in QLD with the NSW stated being help the following weekend at the Central Coast.

Not too much differentiation going on in the chat above and it makes me wonder if the QLD girls will do their states or just head south for the NSW states for the cash.

Sam.
Ali Cat
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1 Feb 2012 8:23pm
surf4fun said...

Extract from an email just received from SUPA:

Breaking news - $1,000 cash prize Womens Open
Downwind Race NSW State Titles


SUP Australia is proud to announce that Mark Mitchell from Jamieson Park Paddle has sponsored the NSW state titles Women's Downwind event on the Central Coast on 18-19 February 2012.

The $1,000 cash prize for the women's SUP event is a first in Australia with both men and women on the same financial footing. Its fantastic that sponsors like Mark are committed to developing the competition events here in Australia, says Will Anido, SUP Australia NSW State Director. Events such as this allow the best suppers in Australia to showcase their talent.



That's awesome news for the NSW girls, more than i think most would have hoped for!!!! Great to see someone jumping in to support the girls. Thankyou Mark/Jamieson Park Paddle.
DavidJohn
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1 Feb 2012 9:40pm
Time to get a sex change..

DJ
PTWoody
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DavidJohn said...

Time to get a sex change..

DJ


Again?
pmorgan1974
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2 Feb 2012 9:12am
Good on you Mark.
Eastcoast SUP
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2 Feb 2012 9:50pm
It gets better for the girls:

SUP Australia recently announced that Mark Mitchell from Jamieson Park Paddle has sponsored the $1,000 cash prize for 1st place in the NSW state titles Women's Downwind event on the Central Coast on 18-19 February 2012.

But, Jamieson Park Paddle has also generously sponsored 2nd place $200 cash and 3rd place $100 cash.


Should be a great weekend, looking forward to it.
husq2100
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2 Feb 2012 9:06pm
DavidJohn said...

Time to get a sex change..

DJ


youd still loose
Scotty88
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husq2100 said...

DavidJohn said...

Time to get a sex change..

DJ


youd still loose


So what happens to the transgender SUPers. Who's prize money do they claim if they win ?
ShireSUP
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2 Feb 2012 11:47pm
How good would it be if say Annabel Anderson came over and shipped them boys asses!

Paulselec
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3 Feb 2012 10:21am
Can people with Pink boards get our own catergory as well. Can shiresup organise some sponsorship for that.... I believe he has money contacts......
ShireSUP
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3 Feb 2012 10:27am
Paulselec said...

Can people with Pink boards get our own catergory as well. Can shiresup organise some sponsorship for that.... I believe he has money contacts......


No mate, pink boards are Berni's or Belly's domain being eastern suburbs boys..............geeesh
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