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Smaller blades on paddles for waves? Tendency?

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Created by hgrimberg > 9 months ago, 10 Jul 2013
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7 Sep 2013 4:27AM
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Jeroensurf said..

That guy is Bart de Zwart. this is his blog: sup-crossing.blogspot.com/
I,m by far not as good or fast as Bart, On the Battle of the coast, a Dutch beachrace, he litteraly put me on a lap on a 5laps race so I don,t doubt his knowledge but its IMO its just an opinion very location based.

Last autumn i did my first Maui trip (1month ) and it really suprissed me predicatble breaks with channels etc etc are and how fast the waves travel overthere. Most of the guys paddle a bit faster rockered and bigger boards. In those conditions a smaller blade and a higher cadence makes sense. The 8.5pro I paddled overthere was called very small and short for my 90kg. Because the waves run longer and are bigger they don,t need to turn very tight and they can catch waves with there longer boards with less effort so a smaller blade with a very stiff overthere, make sense...but that is Maui,
At Maui I paddled most of the time the smallest Starboard paddle and my Kialua ShakaPuu

At home in Europe we have mainly beachbreaks the good guys paddle rather smaller boards and with those combined with the shorter period between the waves and the total lack of channels (at my homespots in the Netherlands we call 5secconds a long period and headhigh a big day :)) a bigger blade (but with a softer saft adding comfort) can help you to wrestle your way faster through the white water of all the waves coming constantly in, as well pulling you on a wave on a sub 8ft sup.
@Home the ShakaPuu is often a bit small for me and I prever my Ke Nalu Maliko with Xtuff-S shaft and my wooden Malama.


For Racing both flatwater on a 14ft and beachraces on a 12.6 I prever my Quickblade Magic90


Good post.....

hgrimberg
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13 Sep 2013 2:36AM
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colas said..

hgrimberg said..

Well, what some other people say is that a big blade on a small board can make the board turn too much with only one stroke,


Sorry, but these people do not know what they are talking about.

What makes the board turn is when you paddle in the wrong direction. Look at the explanations in the post: www.gong-galaxy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43629 It put the picture here too:


If your paddle force is along the green arrow, you will not turn, whatever the force you exert. You will even be able to turn towards the paddle.
If you turn, it is because you paddle along the pink arrow, and the amount of force wont change anything. If your car is heading out of the road, the remedy is to turn the wheel, not use a smaller motor.

The choice between big blade or small blade should be based on the kind of "motor" you want: big torque at low speed or high in the revs?


Humm, I tried last weekend what you said about the ways of paddling straight or with an angle and honestly, it was impossible to realize what I was doing on the water. It looks like I really can't control in what direction I paddle. It is like trying to control how you breathe. You just do it intuitively.
In any case, the point these people that uses small blades have is that on waves, the smaller the blade, the better, the lighter. But yes, if their waves period is longer than us surfing mostly beachbrakes, then their cadence can be higher and they don't need a very powerful stroke to get into the wave as we do. There is always a decisive moment with beachbrakes right when you get into the wave. One powerful stroke decides if you are in or you are out. There is no second chance for a second stroke. It is just that powerful one. And therefore, you need a bigger blade for it.
I looked into Naish wave paddles and the only one model they have, has a big blade.

colas
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24 Sep 2013 2:55PM
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hgrimberg said..

Humm, I tried last weekend what you said about the ways of paddling straight or with an angle and honestly, it was impossible to realize what I was doing on the water. It looks like I really can't control in what direction I paddle. It is like trying to control how you breathe. You just do it intuitively.


A nice trick to easily control the paddle direction is just trying to move your top hand as far as possible overboard, (if your top hand is the left one like on the pic, move it as far right, even 1'+ off the right rail). This way the blade will do a natural "C" stroke, paddle pivoting around your lower hand. Try it, and exaggerate at first to feel how it works. You should be able to get negative row easily.

colas
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24 Sep 2013 4:07PM
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Patrice Guenole shows how it is done









On a 7'4" x 25", 110l for his 85kg

LordRumpunc
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26 Nov 2013 7:05PM
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HumanCartoon said..

Horses for courses. Let me take the dissenting view, I'm an outlier at 6'2 & around 125 kg, smaller blades don't do it for me in surf...not enough grunt to overcome lardy inertia and get some quick board speed up. For surf and DW it's Ke Nalu Molokai for me, it's big but not huge.


I agree. Lardy SUP and using QB 110.



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