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Thats normal. you cant expect to stand on a foam based board for a length of time and not have them compress. all of my boards (from different manufacturers) have the same compressions. look at a surfboard...you only stand on it for say 5 minutes per session and they end up with heel and foot dents.
Its a "Standup" paddle board, not a surf board. I don't expect any compression at all when you stand on it i.e. its intended use.
I spoke to dealer today and I will see what he can do to try and rectify this for future Allwaves. I think Fanatic need to examine the manufacturing process to see why the area where you stand go soft. I will keep using my board for as long as it keeps going :-)
Select to expand quotebrusier said..skebstebamal said..
Thats normal. you cant expect to stand on a foam based board for a length of time and not have them compress. all of my boards (from different manufacturers) have the same compressions. look at a surfboard...you only stand on it for say 5 minutes per session and they end up with heel and foot dents.
Its a "Standup" paddle board, not a surf board. I don't expect any compression at all when you stand on it i.e. its intended use.
I spoke to dealer today and I will see what he can do to try and rectify this for future Allwaves. I think Fanatic need to examine the manufacturing process to see why the area where you stand go soft. I will keep using my board for as long as it keeps going :-)
yes... i agree...but...If you have a foam core that is compressable, a 2mm carbon or glass layer will not stop compression. If you expect it to not compress a little, thats fine, im sure they could use solid divinicel or similar under the deck, but the board would be heavier.. I know what your saying, my boards all do it, but bar getting a custom with solid areas under foot, they just dont hold up to our heavy weights... maybe trevT and jacko etc at 70 kg's (sorry if Ive undersold your beef lads) might not leave a mark??
Select to expand quoteskebstebamal said..brusier said..skebstebamal said..
Thats normal. you cant expect to stand on a foam based board for a length of time and not have them compress. all of my boards (from different manufacturers) have the same compressions. look at a surfboard...you only stand on it for say 5 minutes per session and they end up with heel and foot dents.
Its a "Standup" paddle board, not a surf board. I don't expect any compression at all when you stand on it i.e. its intended use.
I spoke to dealer today and I will see what he can do to try and rectify this for future Allwaves. I think Fanatic need to examine the manufacturing process to see why the area where you stand go soft. I will keep using my board for as long as it keeps going :-)
yes... i agree...but...If you have a foam core that is compressable, a 2mm carbon or glass layer will not stop compression. If you expect it to not compress a little, thats fine, im sure they could use solid divinicel or similar under the deck, but the board would be heavier.. I know what your saying, my boards all do it, but bar getting a custom with solid areas under foot, they just dont hold up to our heavy weights... maybe trevT and jacko etc at 70 kg's (sorry if Ive undersold your beef lads) might not leave a mark??
Thats true. I come from a windsurfing background and all my fanatics ( 4 of them since 1990) have been awesome. I still use my 10 year old Xray 170 and its never missed a beat. I'm sure it will get sorted out if we can provide feedback in a constructive way. I'm 95 kgs.
Select to expand quotebrusier said..skebstebamal said..brusier said..skebstebamal said..
Thats normal. you cant expect to stand on a foam based board for a length of time and not have them compress. all of my boards (from different manufacturers) have the same compressions. look at a surfboard...you only stand on it for say 5 minutes per session and they end up with heel and foot dents.
Its a "Standup" paddle board, not a surf board. I don't expect any compression at all when you stand on it i.e. its intended use.
I spoke to dealer today and I will see what he can do to try and rectify this for future Allwaves. I think Fanatic need to examine the manufacturing process to see why the area where you stand go soft. I will keep using my board for as long as it keeps going :-)
yes... i agree...but...If you have a foam core that is compressable, a 2mm carbon or glass layer will not stop compression. If you expect it to not compress a little, thats fine, im sure they could use solid divinicel or similar under the deck, but the board would be heavier.. I know what your saying, my boards all do it, but bar getting a custom with solid areas under foot, they just dont hold up to our heavy weights... maybe trevT and jacko etc at 70 kg's (sorry if Ive undersold your beef lads) might not leave a mark??
Thats true. I come from a windsurfing background and all my fanatics ( 4 of them since 1990) have been awesome. I still use my 10 year old Xray 170 and its never missed a beat. I'm sure it will get sorted out if we can provide feedback in a constructive way. I'm 95 kgs.
yeah im hearing you, I never had a slalom board get soft at the footstraps... designed for the job...high loads. . . arrr those were the days...
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Here is a shot of deck. Any comments would be appreciated
Ive had one of the new 2014 12'6 Fanatic Falcons in carbon. Absolutly love the board but the left foot area has sunk significantly. At least 5-6mm and only ridden the board 15 times. This is my first upper end race board and I`m pretty gutted the deck has sunk after a month. Has anyone else had any problems?
bugger. It sounds like a bad one. Any chance of seeing a picture?
It will be under warranty and the dealer should be able to sort it. I guess it a new board or money back?
All boards will have some sort of deck sinking and if you think the deck should never sink then maybe sup is not for you!! Just think about how much pressure your heels are putting on your board as you go out through the waves and stuff like that. Every brand is the same in this and I have seen every type of board have the deck sink in a bit at some stage!!
Yes Tommys board has some deck sinking and its something we are keeping a eye on but when I seen it it was still looking like just settling in I guess you could say but as I told tommy I would like to keep a eye on it and if it does go futher then its something we can take further. There is settling in and then there is where the deck give way 99% of the time the deck will depress down and then never go any further but that 1% does happen and thays where we as retailers can come in and do what we can to help. It's not just a fanatic thing and I could show board from every brand with some deck sinking.
What an arrogant thing to say Paul.j , "...maybe sup is not for you!!". Some of us have to actually pay for our boards with our hard earned $$$$ . We at least should expect the standing area to not sink. I thought the Falcons had wood under the standing area to stop this. What's the point paying for this technology if it doesn't work.
Does anyone actually know what the warranty covers? I guess under the consumer guarantee act you are covered but I'm not a lawyer.
It seems to me that Tommy has reason to be feeling gutted. I would email Fanatic and try and get some answers.
Select to expand quotepaul.j said..
All boards will have some sort of deck sinking and if you think the deck should never sink then maybe sup is not for you!! Just think about how much pressure your heels are putting on your board as you go out through the waves and stuff like that. Every brand is the same in this and I have seen every type of board have the deck sink in a bit at some stage!!
I don't think PJ meant anything nasty by the "sup is not for you" comment. 
Our Kiwi ( ANZAC) bros sometimes have a different turn of phrase. 
. I disovered that playing Rugby league (reserve grade) against Kiwis. A guy seperated my Sternum and I knocked out two of his teeth in a tackle. After the game he came up with the biggest smile and said nice tackle. We had a beer and a very breathless chat then I went to hospital. I think everyone tries to be helpful on these forums though sometimes we just misinterpret or feel patronised by others. I know I do and shouldn't.
Like the Reverend Jackson says, this occurence is endemic to most boards not only SUPS BTW. My 9'2" Allwave has developed them over the two years I've had the board. I'm sure they don't affect my lousy surfing, My NSP, McTavish, PSH and SupAtx all had it to some degree.
I am a FOB, but unless they are letting water in can't see the problem. They are after all a surf board and suffer stresses at various times. The PSH you could hit with an axe and only chip it, but still developed footmarks. How does it affect the surfing? I'm waiting for a TSJ custom ATM and know that the same thing will happen on that especially cause its glassed not EPS. I wonder if Keahi gets them on the JP's with all that aerial time and the resultant landings? I was under the impression that DTM. Deep, TSJ, etc. all put heavier/extra glass on that part of their boards. Does anyone know if that is right? Peace out guy's, I must admit half a centimeter sounds a lot on a new board
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What an arrogant thing to say Paul.j , "...maybe sup is not for you!!". Some of us have to actually pay for our boards with our hard earned $$$$ . We at least should expect the standing area to not sink. I thought the Falcons had wood under the standing area to stop this. What's the point paying for this technology if it doesn't work.
Does anyone actually know what the warranty covers? I guess under the consumer guarantee act you are covered but I'm not a lawyer.
It seems to me that Tommy has reason to be feeling gutted. I would email Fanatic and try and get some answers.
Why is that aggront? This is a sport where this kind of stuff happens as it has for surfing since it started!! Boards are not indestructible and they do get wear and tear. Boards sink in the deck and always have, this is not something that just started happening.
Tommy has nothing to worry about as I have said above if the board falls in to something that needs further attention then that action will be taken, he did the right thing and came and showed me which I noted and said if you think it goes any futher let me know but as it was when I seen it it was still just pretty normal as I showed a board that was 1yeay old with the same amount of sinking but had never gone any futher like 99% of boards do. You guys want someone to post on this stuff and when I do and say it like it is you get all upset .
The first guy here brought a 2nd hand board where who knows what could have been done to it for all we know the guy who owned it first used it to practice his danny ching paddle jumps. I'm not saying that the boards can never have problems but if there is then there is a process to follow and I can tell you putting stuff on the forums first is not part of it.
By the way I payed for my fair share of sups and surf boards, I remember buying a new surfboard once and snapping it first surf on a duck dive is that a warranty? I don't think so I put it down to wrong spot at the wrong time! ! I went back to where I got it from and they did me a good deal on another one.
15 times and the deck has sunk , doesn't seem right to me. I suppose if we just accept it then Fanatic will never try and fix it.
Online forums are well , online. That is the whole point , to try and see if the community has had similar issues.
It's ironic that we always say buy premium brands as you get what you pay for but in this case it appears that the technology hasn't worked as expected. It looks like the Fanatic dealer will sort this out.
Colas nailed it. If its depressed don't fret. If its spongy its delaminated. It's fixable but will add about 100 trams to board weight and you will need a new pad. Epoxy injection and weight are the key. It will likely still be depressed when done but the deck will re laminate to the blank. Just as a side note, I repaired a snapped pro wave and was amazed to find the breather had been sealed over with the pad at factory. Since have noticed this is common in fanatics. No breath, delaminating almost guaranteed in hot weather. Polystyrene epoxy boards without breathers are asking for trouble.
Ok here are a bunch of pics i just ran out side and took from some boards of All brands showing all boards do it whether black blue or pink!! Most of it depends more on the weight of the rider and how hard people are on there boards, some people are really heavy on there feet and other move like a butterfly. 15 times is heaps for the deck to sink a bit it can happen after the 1st time, it's more about how far it goes!! The fanatic in the pics below is mine and it sunk like that after the first session and has not really gone any further since. Those 15 times could be doing 20km paddles in the ocean bouncing up and down for hours on end? do you know? i sure don't and that'a part of the point who knows what has happened to the boards sometimes as well. We can always only take someones word on it as well which we do. Example for you: I lent a very good board to a mate and very good paddler one day and he went out and was doing some really cool jumps as he was hitting the waves and landing back on the board anyway when i looked at the board the following week he had smashed the deck in and pretty much gone through the top of the board!! should that be a warranty?
Also on the wood patches brands put under the standing area is not there to stop the heel dents completely but to spread the load out so instead of a small deep depression it will be shollower and spread over a bigger area it also adds strength.
You have to remember it still just foam with a thin layer of laminates it's not steel or concrete. They do wear and tear and they do break and ding its all part of owning surfboards, SUP surf SKI's OC1's or even a bodyboards.If you get in to any of these sports then this is some of the stuff that happens and and if you think they should last forever and never age then i stand by my arrogant comment above as you will always be disappointed in any product you get!!
The best thing to always do is just check with the place you buy the board and get them to check it and note it then if it becomes a problem a bit down the track it will be recorded and easier to sort things out.
Sorry having trouble uploading pics will try and do them in another post.
P.S JAcko not Ang
Select to expand quotepaul.j said..
By the way I payed for my fair share of sups and surf boards, I remember buying a new surfboard once and snapping it first surf on a duck dive is that a warranty? I don't think so I put it down to wrong spot at the wrong time! ! I went back to where I got it from and they did me a good deal on another one.
Bet that wasn't on the Kapti Coast
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If its depressed don't fret.
Yes, don't fret, except that if the depressions reach the handle, you should check from time to time that cracks did not develop between the handle and the skin, for boards not having the handle encased in PVC foam of other reinforcements. Just put the board level in the sun, fill the handle with soapy water up to the pad, and wait a bit (less than 5mn) to check for any bubbles. It seldom happens, but you never know.
colas this happened to me. I had no idea there was an issue until I took the SUP out of the bag and the handle was filled with water. As the board had heated it forced water out of the foam and into the handle. I was told there must have been about 3ltrs in there - I wondered why it felt so heavy... (3kg overweight). Complete delam around the handle.
Good to see someone ie Paul.j trying to help out these 2 Fellas. I guess it's a learning curve for new suppers like me re things that happen. Good tip Colas and if I ever need to check cracks etc .
@paul.j - sorry mate, I didn't mean to be a plonker calling you arrogant but i didn't quite understand where you were coming from. Cos I new to this , I don't know what to expect. It would be good if you post so pics of other boards with same problem.
I suppose the best advice is to contact dealer and seek his advice to see if it is an issue :-)
Do the 2014 all waves have a breather? Its something I'd like to get on top of while my all wave is new.
Select to expand quoteseahippys said..
Colas nailed it. If its depressed don't fret. If its spongy its delaminated. It's fixable but will add about 100 trams to board weight and you will need a new pad. Epoxy injection and weight are the key. It will likely still be depressed when done but the deck will re laminate to the blank. Just as a side note, I repaired a snapped pro wave and was amazed to find the breather had been sealed over with the pad at factory. Since have noticed this is common in fanatics. No breath, delaminating almost guaranteed in hot weather. Polystyrene epoxy boards without breathers are asking for trouble.Select to expand quoteseahippys said..
Colas nailed it. If its depressed don't fret. If its spongy its delaminated. It's fixable but will add about 100 trams to board weight and you will need a new pad. Epoxy injection and weight are the key. It will likely still be depressed when done but the deck will re laminate to the blank. Just as a side note, I repaired a snapped pro wave and was amazed to find the breather had been sealed over with the pad at factory. Since have noticed this is common in fanatics. No breath, delaminating almost guaranteed in hot weather. Polystyrene epoxy boards without breathers are asking for trouble.
This is only my second raceboard and I was only posting to see if anyone else has come across a bit of deck sinking. Its nothing major but thought it was worth mentioning to Jacko who was great and said if it sinks more bring it in under warranty, Happy Days! To be fair theyre so light and I`m probabally on the heavier end of the scales, all muscle of course!! : )
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This is only my second raceboard and I was only posting to see if anyone else has come across a bit of deck sinking. Its nothing major but thought it was worth mentioning to Jacko who was great and said if it sinks more bring it in under warranty, Happy Days! To be fair theyre so light and I`m probabally on the heavier end of the scales, all muscle of course!! : )
Of course
I've had nothing but grief with my 2014 Allwave. From the 1st week the grip tape has started to peel at the edges.
Went out today, and at the bottom of a big bottom turn if felt like the board gave way. Had a look and it's cracked under the deck pad where my big toe was. Not happy at all with the construction quality! Going back to the shop today, but I expect they going to say I fell on it, and will have to have it repaired. If I did fall on it, fine, but this just gave way without hitting the deck...
You should have bought a 2012. two and half years and 200 surfs later one tiny chip on the end of the tail, and I treat my boards extremely roughly. Must be a dud Chris, again like cars you get them occasionally. I'm sure they'll have to replace it because the whole board will probably have the same problem.
Yep, we were saying it's a friday arvo board. Sam at WSS has been great in getting it sorted. Just waiting to hear back from Fanatic.
Apparently the production process is the same as earlier models, but after this ordeal, I'm worried that then next one is going to be just as much of a pain...
