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What about the stab ? What people think about the Vtail vs "classic tail" ? What is the pros and cons from the Vtail ?
Also just got my new232 tail today so I will try it soon but also interested to hear about other comparisons etc?:-)
I received the HA925 yesterday and immediately headed for the lake to do some pulls behind my little boat. Wow, the hype is real. It turns beautifully and the pump and glide is unbelievable. On my very first pull I pumped around a small island then picked up the 3rd wake behind the boat on the other end. It is a tiny blade of a foil and you need to keep it up to speed or it'll drop out. At the end of the session I pumped down the 'no wake zone' channel back to the boat ramp, and pumped twice as far as I've ever gone! I can't wait to get this thing out in real surf and on the wing ding. I weigh about 70 kg FWIW. My mind is blown.
My set up was 60 CM mast, 50 cm fuse, V stab with red shim on a 4'-11" Armie 38 L prone board.
IG clip of my little island pump: www.instagram.com/p/CTCSfQlFOv2/
It's unbelievably how good this foil is. If I look like a stiff old man it's because I am!
Select to expand quotefrenchfoiler said..
What about the stab ? What people think about the Vtail vs "classic tail" ? What is the pros and cons from the Vtail ?
I now wing with the 1125 almost exclusively. It took me a couple of sessions to learn to ride it but now everything else feels too draggy. I use the 232 tail. It is infinitely easier than the V which I found very pitch unstable ( even with the 1550). I think part of the problem with the V is that it is so thin, it flexes too much. I may chop a 232 next but don't plan on going back to the V.
I haven't tried the 925 yet but I believe from the out set, they marketed it as having a lower stall speed than the 1125 to address this common criticism of the 1125. In reality, it cannot have a lower stall speed than the 925 and still do everything else that is claimed. Even Armstrong cannot supercede the mathematics of lift.
Select to expand quoteemmafoils said..frenchfoiler said..
What about the stab ? What people think about the Vtail vs "classic tail" ? What is the pros and cons from the Vtail ?
I now wing with the 1125 almost exclusively. It took me a couple of sessions to learn to ride it but now everything else feels too draggy. I use the 232 tail. It is infinitely easier than the V which I found very pitch unstable ( even with the 1550). I think part of the problem with the V is that it is so thin, it flexes too much. I may chop a 232 next but don't plan on going back to the V.
I haven't tried the 925 yet but I believe from the out set, they marketed it as having a lower stall speed than the 1125 to address this common criticism of the 1125. In reality, it cannot have a lower stall speed than the 925 and still do everything else that is claimed. Even Armstrong cannot supercede the mathematics of lift.
Yeh watched a mate have a break though sup foil session on the 1125 (with a tiny flat custom back tail). He said same thing "cant see myself using anything else". He was banking that puppy real hard to and dropping into head high waves. Hes a good operator though (Jason - aka wingman) but still wasnt sold on it for ages. Wish i had a go pro actually was some sick footage. Now he is itching to try his 925.
ps have you tried chopping the V to take out most of that flex?
pps i share your skepticism on the 925 having a lower stall speed. That being said i have had a very close look at both wings (laid on top of each other). The 925 has a much more pronounced dihedral shape across its length.. So this may explain a closer stall
speed between the 1125 and the 925. Maybe ?
I think you may be right about the shape/section making a difference. I have been told the stall speeds are similar but the stall is less abrupt with the 925.
It seems 725 is next in the HA series. Failed to grab a screenshot but Kawika (childrenofthefreeworld) was showing Mateo's setup on IG stories yesterday, an unbranded Armstrong HA which he said was the 725.
So also got a 925 with my 4'5 armie board (see my in depth review on another thread) today from WA surf.
handed it over to the spono' rider antman (my son) on the second session (after using the board for first time) and he also gave a pretty detailed review.
"best wing ever".
so there you have it.
was slightly annoying watching him pump past me at speed to link up a wave i was heading for 
Some pics
Ps that was a 7 wave link up sequence and his first wave. pump is effortless. Lost too much speed on the 8th - he said you have to keep the speed up and also stay as high as possible on the mast. Pumping it up from low on the mast is hard and normally game over. Plenty of wingtip breaches but the damn camera pauses wheh you dont want it to!!
Thanks but Nah not really Piros. He had the tips breaching with full hack turns - but the damn camera keeps auto focussing. So these shots are just after the big moves. Gotta find out how to use the thing - i literally know jack.
How sweet is that having your son to ride with! If I read right, you said he linked 7 waves! Awesome?? Get some video of that ripper so we can learn something...
Ive seen him do 12 on an armie 1250! - but hes a bit unfoil fit at moment thankgod footy season is over
Yeh working on footage. This old prick needs a helmet to put a go pro on (he just pumps all around me anyway). Hey does anyone know where i can get a cheapish helmet from?
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Ive seen him do 12 on an armie 1250! - but hes a bit unfoil fit at moment thankgod footy season is over
Yeh working on footage. This old prick needs a helmet to put a go pro on (he just pumps all around me anyway). Hey does anyone know where i can get a cheapish helmet from?
Orrrr we could tee up an overdue drone shoot..
Well yes that would be nice man, but not everyone has your super duper drone - nice bit of kit that. Im generally in the water with him.
Kobo i was on the 1250 and he pumped past me like i was standing still, snaking all the link ups.
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Well yes that would be nice man, but not everyone has your super duper drone - nice bit of kit that. Im generally in the water with him.
Kobo i was on the 1250 and he pumped past me like i was standing still, snaking all the link ups.
Well I'm around until the 17th before I head up to Exmouth so flick me a text if you wanna get some shots for the sponsors haha!
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Well yes that would be nice man, but not everyone has your super duper drone - nice bit of kit that. Im generally in the water with him.
Kobo i was on the 1250 and he pumped past me like i was standing still, snaking all the link ups.
Well I'm around until the 17th before I head up to Exmouth so flick me a text if you wanna get some shots for the sponsors haha!
Okay will do. Antman would love another crack on your e foil board - keeps talking about it. And i say "get yourself a job if you want one". Bloody self entitled gen'.
How long you in exmouth? We are heading up there over the hols.
First rides on a 925/72/60/232 today. (95kgs, waist high waves today) Wing size was fine did a couple of doubles and tripples but the mast flex and Mast Fuse Wing connection movement was a deal breaker. Constantly rattled by the flex in the turns and pumping in chop. Its a deal breaker. I'm done with it. Anyone in the US wants a gently used 925 complete DM me.
Love the controlled flex it soaks up turbulence and gives you a zip out of turns. Stiff setups feel dead like stiff surfboard fins.
I've ridden the same setups in stiff configurations vs flex. When pumping in chop the turbulence bends the mast, placing you out of column, forcing you to reset the next pump. On a wing like the 925 there's not much margin of error on that reset.
The stiff setup keeps you in column where you belong.
Hopefully i'm able to unload this thing. Happy to take a loss just to get rid of it.
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I've ridden the same setups in stiff configurations vs flex. When pumping in chop the turbulence bends the mast, placing you out of column, forcing you to reset the next pump. On a wing like the 925 there's not much margin of error on that reset.
The stiff setup keeps you in column where you belong.
Hopefully i'm able to unload this thing. Happy to take a loss just to get rid of it.
Lots of people don't have the same issue. Not that that makes it right or wrong. Just like I would hate your gear. I got back on an Axis setup and found it heavy and dead feeling. It might be the weight and stability of a really heavy fuse you miss. Horses for courses.
I don't think its the stiffness that makes things feel dead and maybe more the Alloy just has no real life in the way it moves compared to even stiff carbon. Even the stiffest carbon still will have some flex and I think it's more about the way it springs back
We make a crazy stiff mast and it feels super nice but if i go back and ride an alloy set up it just feels lifeless.
I also hate the feel of flexy masts and every time i ride one i really struggle but it does seem for those that ride them enough the body adapts and it works sweet.
All what you get used to i guess.
Flex in a wing sucks balls IMO and this I feel shouldn't happen, we made some wings with flex and they went straight to the bin as they felt so much worse than the ones made super stiff.
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First rides on a 925/72/60/232 today. (95kgs, waist high waves today) Wing size was fine did a couple of doubles and tripples but the mast flex and Mast Fuse Wing connection movement was a deal breaker. Constantly rattled by the flex in the turns and pumping in chop. Its a deal breaker. I'm done with it. Anyone in the US wants a gently used 925 complete DM me.
Id give it a few more cracks. I was all at sea (pardon the pun) my first session - and im on an even more flexible 85 mast and a bloody V tail. It was like tripping on acid. Second session started to work out its characteristics.
i then chopped my tips on the V tail - eliminated some.
and yesterday i rode it with a larger flat thin back tail. Even better but drag was apparent.
also pushed it hell far forward (8 ) on the new FG 4'5 prone. Even better.
turned a red plus one shim around to make a minus 1 and whacked the chopped V tail on a zero shim (making minus 1 on the old system) - even better
that being said my son went the other way and went all the way back to 1.5 - felt better for him.
Message is i suppose give it a few cracks again and try to tune and adjust technique - then it comes alive. Its a technical wing until it isnt.
went back out on my 1250 and that felt as dead as a dead dog. its addictive as.
flex is a personal preference thing. I got back on an alloy axis setup the other day, the black series is really sweet actually but felt really dead for me.
Ive seen guys ripping on all different armie wings, axis gear, takuma, lift.. Find ya slot.
Just had my second session on 925/50/v200/0. I am stoked , this wing is so fast, turns at will ,and pumps as good as the 1125 just faster. It took me several moves of the mast to find even front foot pressure and now it feels perfectly balance. I always had to ride the 1125 right at the back of the tracks because it creates a fair amount of lift at speed , whereas the 925 gives you room to move which is nice. I'm 80 kg and feel this is the Goldilocks size for me in medium to larger waves for sure, but surprisingly it goes great in the small stuff too. I thought the pump would be down compared to the 1125 but to my surprise it is as good just a little different, slightly quicker pumps but definitely faster so you cover the same ground just quicker. I'm keeping the 1125 for small days and DW but the 925 is an absolute cracker of a setup for prone surfing.
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Just had my second session on 925/50/v200/0. I am stoked , this wing is so fast, turns at will ,and pumps as good as the 1125 just faster. It took me several moves of the mast to find even front foot pressure and now it feels perfectly balance. I always had to ride the 1125 right at the back of the tracks because it creates a fair amount of lift at speed , whereas the 925 gives you room to move which is nice. I'm 80 kg and feel this is the Goldilocks size for me in medium to larger waves for sure, but surprisingly it goes great in the small stuff too. I thought the pump would be down compared to the 1125 but to my surprise it is as good just a little different, slightly quicker pumps but definitely faster so you cover the same ground just quicker. I'm keeping the 1125 for small days and DW but the 925 is an absolute cracker of a setup for prone surfing.
Dude where did your mast end up in the end, relative to the 1125 all the way back??
To support what you said above, been chipping into small stuff id ride the 1250 and pumping out to a small wave. I havent found it lacking in the small stuff at all.
Select to expand quoteeppo said..kobo said..
Just had my second session on 925/50/v200/0. I am stoked , this wing is so fast, turns at will ,and pumps as good as the 1125 just faster. It took me several moves of the mast to find even front foot pressure and now it feels perfectly balance. I always had to ride the 1125 right at the back of the tracks because it creates a fair amount of lift at speed , whereas the 925 gives you room to move which is nice. I'm 80 kg and feel this is the Goldilocks size for me in medium to larger waves for sure, but surprisingly it goes great in the small stuff too. I thought the pump would be down compared to the 1125 but to my surprise it is as good just a little different, slightly quicker pumps but definitely faster so you cover the same ground just quicker. I'm keeping the 1125 for small days and DW but the 925 is an absolute cracker of a setup for prone surfing.
Dude where did your mast end up in the end, relative to the 1125 all the way back??
To support what you said above, been chipping into small stuff id ride the 1250 and pumping out to a small wave. I havent found it lacking in the small stuff at all.
With the 925 I ended up with the mast pretty much in the middle of the tracks, If I had it in the front it pumped even better but was a little too front footed for me ,and in the back position the nose wanted to drop and I was too much on the back foot.Im really pleased with this as I can move it back a little for bigger waves and sneak it forward for smaller waves.
