Yeah cool video Gashed , picked it up real fast.Teatree it's actually easier to catch waves on a prone foil compared to A Sup foil. Same goes for Downwinding , I don't think you will extra long boards with foils it's already proven it doesn't work . Maybe some redefined 8-6's just for Downwind on extra larger foils IMHO

Piros said..
Yeah cool video Gashed , picked it up real fast.Teatree it's actually easier to catch waves on a prone foil compared to A Sup foil. Same goes for Downwinding , I don't think you will extra long boards with foils it's already proven it doesn't work . Maybe some redefined 8-6's just for Downwind on extra larger foils IMHO

Yeah although the guys riding prone in downwind conditions on tiny boards, where towed in? I wouldn't like too be a couple k offshore and conditions change and have too paddle a 5 Ft board with a big foil attached in??

Piros said..
Jake has been Downwinders on his prone board.

Noz the bevel cushions a touchdown and gives the board more speed . Dave Kalama does it to all his boards.

LoL yeah I should listen too the guys with the experience, I will still try it though, can't help myself.

My mast is at 23" from tail looks more in the photo (iphone) I'm moving it back to 21". My recommendation with Naish Thrust is always start with the large , it's slower lift speed and very stable (heaps easier for learning) . When you start chucking buckets and riding bigger waves go the medium. It's a misconception that if you are too light you wont keep the foil down , just move forward on the board. The large Thrust is only about 10% bigger than a Kai GoFoil and kids ride that foil , plus you will struggle to downwind on the medium.

Re you board good pic I'd probably shift the mast back to 19" on that board , better to ask JB on this one.

I've just dropped my board at the local shaper to have 2 x 10" strong boxes fitted. It's an 8ft surfboard warehouse Vex pro which has quite a bit of tail rocker. Mounting the foil at the natural angle of the board would mean the foil is pointing slightly down. I can only assume this would result in the nose of the board lifting up once flying? Is this the case?

Should I get the shaper to compensate for this by installing the boxes at an angle more parallel to the deck? Or are the foils made with this in mind and to follow the natural angle of the tail rocker?

Yeah just pack the plate , it works fine on my Naish.

I have been 3D printing these shim plates fit Takuma/naish bases

if anyone wants one I could post, I have a few sizes available this one is a +4mm lift on the back of the plate

Does anyone know if there is much difference in performance of the 2017 Malolo foil and the new 2018 Thrust M foil . ??

I think Naish are on a really good thing with the interchangeble parts. (i have a go foil)
I would like to try my foil windsurfing as well as using for surfing and downwind sup.
Be good if go foil offered more interchangable parts for different foil sports rather than having to buy another complete foil just to go windsurfing.........
I have parked the windsurfing idea at the moment.

CAUTION said..
im sorry did you say $5101
Yes naish good idea being interchangable, but i struggle to see why these things are so expensive. Once design is down surely its a simple production? Next year hopefully they be couple hundred bucks as would love to try.

Because its like drugs and medicines. We all know that tablets are less than a cent to make, except the first one. The first one costs millions and millions of dollars.

The large price comes from the R&D before production.

Companies that keep prices inflated without innovation will fail. Right now, while its new the price remains high.

Hi everyone
I'd just like to question the durable claim for the thrust foil. I've had 7 sessions on my new large thrust surf foil and the rear wing now has a lot of give/ flex in it. Has anyone else had this problem?
Have only touched the bottom (flat sand) while walking out to deeper water.
The retailer says its probably cracked and i have to buy a new rear wing after only 7 sessions ...
Any thoughts, suggestions?
The rear wing is not bolted on through the wing like many foils I've seen, but has vertical section which slots into the fuselage.
Has anyone had the same issue ie is it a design flaw or am i treating a "durable" product too harshly by bumping it on a sand bottom occasionally when dragging it out to deeper water?

teatrea said..

I personally think the foil used on the bigger boards where mounted too far back, I reckon mounted much further forward would work better on a longer board. Question is would the extra paddle speed of a longer board be sufficient too get the foil working in our more moderate conditions?

You are of course right, the foils should be more centered on long boards... but...

I guess people realized paddling speed is not really relevant for taking off on a foil, so long boards are not used anymore. The weight and bulk of a board is a huge disadvantage to perform the micro-pumping that is so important for liftoff. What is more important is the lift of the foil, this is why you see these huge wings appearing now for downwinding.

You can take off with a longer board by using its paddling speed, but once airborne, you still need a high lift foil to keep airborne in moderate conditions. And if you have a high lift foil,... you do not need a long board once your have got the technique.

JB said..

charlieuk said..
I have been 3D printing these shim plates fit Takuma/naish bases

if anyone wants one I could post, I have a few sizes available this one is a +4mm lift on the back of the plate

Just FYI, I have recently tried a 5mm wedge on a Naish Hover 120, and it does not add any advantage, the Hover boards and Thrust Foils straight out of the box provide the best trim and riding settings.

JB

that's interesting you would hope a dedicated production board would be set up perfectly, 5mm could have been to much though it all depends on the rocker of the board were the foil is mounted, I have been experimenting with a huge number of different setups recently and within a 3mm difference you can go from massively front foot weighted to massively on the back foot im starting now to go in .5mm increments to really fine tune things even further

Piros said..
Yeah agree with JB on this one , I only pack my Naish Thrust & other plate mount foils because I have a custom board with tail rocker. If you buy a specific foil board which is flat at the boxes you don't need to pack it . A foil laying back drags like a shovel paddling . However packing a flat foil forward doesn't seem to be a disadvantage paddling but you still get no real gain. I hear what you are saying Charlie but the mast at 90 degrees to the deck will get the board dead flat a flight , if you tilt the mast forward you will have to ride the board nose down to keep the foil flat. Just like if its tilted back you have to ride it nose up.

yes I would agree it all depends on the boards design( I have never personally seen the thrust board so cant comment and I don't believe I ever said it was wrong but I would not say if its perfect for one person it will be perfect for another) generally like you say you want the fuz parallel to the deck ( weather the mast is also depends on the design of the foil and if the mast is 90 to the mount and the fuz, it does also assume that the wings neutral center line of the front wing is running parallel to the fuz ( you would assume most designs would do this but its not hard to measure if you want to) so there are many variables ( talking in general about foil design)

Its just a balance of getting everything running just right so your not creating drag and you have the foot pressure nice and even between your feet, but even things like a un even leg length which is quite common may lend its self to needing micro adjustments. basically what im saying is people should experiment in very small increments as 1 or 2 mm can make huge differences and make life so much easier, you may end up back were you started but until you try you wont know!

charlieuk said..

JB said..

charlieuk said..
I have been 3D printing these shim plates fit Takuma/naish bases

if anyone wants one I could post, I have a few sizes available this one is a +4mm lift on the back of the plate

Just FYI, I have recently tried a 5mm wedge on a Naish Hover 120, and it does not add any advantage, the Hover boards and Thrust Foils straight out of the box provide the best trim and riding settings.

JB

that's interesting you would hope a dedicated production board would be set up perfectly, 5mm could have been to much though it all depends on the rocker of the board were the foil is mounted, I have been experimenting with a huge number of different setups recently and within a 3mm difference you can go from massively front foot weighted to massively on the back foot im starting now to go in .5mm increments to really fine tune things even further

Charlie,

Happy to try some smaller increments for the sake of trying. I have been experimenting with lots of configurations and settings and am always interested in understanding more about my foil setup. I'll PM you.

The wedge doesn't actually change your foot pressure once your up (this should be controlled by your stabilizer angle in relation to your stance), just your board angle and riding comfort. It only affects your take-off. I have found all foilboard at a certain volume/widge/size kind of stall up a little at take off. Whilst this is minimal, it was not lessened by adding a 5mm wedge. During the take off, yes the board lifted early, but it also does if I add more back wing, I do not think I actually caught swells that I could previously, and in fact feel I had more pumping power without it.

But, as I said, would like to try a few smaller increments to be sure. Will PM you.

Ride safe,

JB