Guys
Wasn't that boat on the site here a few months back.
New owner was posting.
From memory it had been purchased in Batemans Bay maybe.

That is the same one several on here were trying to sell for someone isn't it?
I sailed from Jibbon to botany bay yesterday aswell granted it was earlier but conditions we good 20+ knts small seas averaged 6.4 knts with only the head sail.
I thinks capsized may be a bit more then what happened would have been some damage to rigging and sail if that was the case.

Ramona said..

twodogs1969 said..
That is the same one several on here were trying to sell for someone isn't it?
I sailed from Jibbon to botany bay yesterday aswell granted it was earlier but conditions we good 20+ knts small seas averaged 6.4 knts with only the head sail.
I thinks capsized may be a bit more then what happened would have been some damage to rigging and sail if that was the case.

I have been contacted by a couple of TV stations. One bloke who was at the site reckoned it was still rough and windy. He was of the opinion they had struck the reef.

This boat had two previous owners. Both bought off Gumtree. I can remember this boat featuring in an article in I think Seacraft in the seventies and I think it was one of the entries in the trans Tasman solo races of the period.

If he hit the reef that would be off boat harbour where it washed up. This is well inside cape Bailey he would need to turn right angles and sail a couple of mile to round it.
Will be interesting to here the full story.

Stockie said..
What a shame, Sounds like the news people have their info arse about. They are quoting the owner as we now know as Terry bought the yacht in QLD 4-months ago and this was his first time out.
However Boat Harbour in a Southerly is pretty much were you will end up if you are foundering in Bate Bay, that area with the reef is a good place to give a wide berth to in today's conditions. The two of them must have had a pretty horrendous night if they set off from Greenwell point on Sunday.
Cheers Richard

Hi Stockie, I am a journalist looking at this story. Can you let me know if Terry was sailing to QLD? Do you know who his crew was or if she was a friend or family member? Thanks, F

Bowsprit said..

Stockie said..
What a shame, Sounds like the news people have their info arse about. They are quoting the owner as we now know as Terry bought the yacht in QLD 4-months ago and this was his first time out.
However Boat Harbour in a Southerly is pretty much were you will end up if you are foundering in Bate Bay, that area with the reef is a good place to give a wide berth to in today's conditions. The two of them must have had a pretty horrendous night if they set off from Greenwell point on Sunday.
Cheers Richard

Hi Stockie, I am a journalist looking at this story. Can you let me know if Terry was sailing to QLD? Do you know who his crew was or if she was a friend or family member? Thanks, F

Terry was sailing to Bundaberg. I have no idea who the 24 year old young lady is I never met her.

Prop appears to be pretty wrapped up with rope in this video www.9news.com.au/national/one-dead-cronulla-boat-capsized-wanda-beach/43b56b56-f096-4cf6-80d9-737af6e3c445

Ramona said..

brett221 said..
Looks like the bottom was not cleaned or the motor and autopilot fixed in the time she was at Greenwell Point.
Hope the young lady on-board recovers quickly and sail on Terry.

The bottom was just scraped clean before he left. The engine exhaust was fixed by the previous owner and Terry had replaced the shaft flange. The tiller pilot was not working and I'm guessing why he had the young lady a long as crew. If he was solo I'm sure he would have kept clear of the coast. I guess we will get the full story from the young lady in due course.
What I find strange is no one seems to know his surname. I just called him Terry and had no need to know his full name!

By the shots on the news I'd would not employ that diver again huge clumps of growth.

Stop this ridiculous spreading of fantasies or unfounded accusations guys!

Respect the departed for what he was and do not under any circumstances give ideas to newsmen of any sort.
Button your beak and mourn the departed, silently.

Vale Terry and CCRider!

Karsten said..
Yes, when you read about the Golden Globe sailor being rescued in the middle of nowhere at the moment, it is really tragic that Terry could loose his life in such seemly familiar surrounds.

Looking at the photos of the beached boat, you have to say that if you were to be blown onto a lee shore, such a benign, rock-free, wide beach would be one of the better locales.

Perhaps we can learn something from this tragic turn of events for Terry - what would be the best action if you were blown leeward onto a sandy beach like this ?

Stay with the boat (in cockpit or below ?).
Or jump over the side with your lifejacket and make your way to the beach via the surf.
Or hang on to an inflatable or surfboard and drift onto the beach ?

The yacht survived. Stay with the yacht do not depart, if it losers the keel as social media and news feeds are speculating well it might be a rather more difficult but I doubt this is the case in the latest tragedy .

southace said..

Karsten said..
Yes, when you read about the Golden Globe sailor being rescued in the middle of nowhere at the moment, it is really tragic that Terry could loose his life in such seemly familiar surrounds.

Looking at the photos of the beached boat, you have to say that if you were to be blown onto a lee shore, such a benign, rock-free, wide beach would be one of the better locales.

Perhaps we can learn something from this tragic turn of events for Terry - what would be the best action if you were blown leeward onto a sandy beach like this ?

Stay with the boat (in cockpit or below ?).
Or jump over the side with your lifejacket and make your way to the beach via the surf.
Or hang on to an inflatable or surfboard and drift onto the beach ?

The yacht survived. Stay with the yacht do not depart, if it losers the keel as social media and news feeds are speculating well it might be a rather more difficult but I doubt this is the case in the latest tragedy .

Staying with the boat does seem the most sensible thing to do as you say. But after thinking about it and talking with people from hobart who are temporarily moored near us in Callala Bay for repairs after a bad knock down in bass straight it has its hazards as well. Particularly when the boat is violently jerking around, how do you brace yourself and protect your head.

I had a fairly exhausting day yesterday with constant phone calls from the media and they all seemed obsessed on who the past 2 owners were! I did not pass this info on and see no point. Their research seems to be purely Google based which led them to my GP yacht facebook page and then to this thread on Seabreeze so we have picked up a few extra listers. The TV news coverage on all the channels last night was fairly good. Not sure why the young lady has not been identified. From what I have gleaned from conversations with these people is the yacht ran aground, the woman swam 30 metres to the beach to go for help. Terry stayed with the boat. When help arrived they found Terry's body close by.
Looking at the photo it's possible Terry tried to anchor and or motor to clear the beach and fouled the anchor rope. Small two bladed prop would not have been very effective in that sea condition. Terry from what I can gather was an experienced sailor and if he was sailing solo would have stood offshore in those conditions. My theory and it's just a theory is that he was aiming to get some shelter in Botany Bay for the crew to recover from sea sickness and got confused with his position. The accident was early, about 0300 I think. Terry was 72, fit looking little bloke but like all blokes that age don't have much strength and endurance so it would have been a struggle in the surf. Life jackets were not worn.
We are not likely to know what really happened till we hear from the young woman.

Chris 249 said..
I'd hop off just outside the break and swim in; having done basically that many times windsurfing in big waves I know it's pretty easy if you can swim well in rough water.

southace said..

The yacht survived. Stay with the yacht do not depart,

The thing is, if the sea is rough and the keel hits the ground, the yacht will probably lean over as it is being driven ashore and end up with the cockpit nearly vertical, so it would be difficult to hang on in the cockpit. And staying down below, where soon a couple of tons of water will be sloshing around, also sound somewhat risky.

(Note: my remarks relate to what the best course of action may be, not to what happened to Terry.)

FelixdeCat said..
Sail on Terry

72. All his faculties. Against his will. Doing what he loved. May we all be so lucky.

Exactly!

I'll recount a story here that Ramona might remember.
In the early 1980s we were flying Navy S2G Trackers on patrol around the Bass Strait oil rigs to detect any suspected terrorist activities (pre the modern type of terrorist) and/or wayward shipping.
On one patrol the aircraft was called to aid a yacht in trouble near Pt Hicks. The aircraft tactician, a close mate of mine, was talking with the yacht on VHF as it drifted into the beach near the rocks. It was getting dark and the yacht getting nearer the rocks. The crew decided to get in the water to swim to shore. The Navy aircraft returned to base to find the next morning that the yacht had been taken by the rip around the rocks and was safely on the beach to the east of the Pt.
All the crew drowned. My mate was devastated of course that the bloke he was just talking with had died and the yacht was safe.
The old sayings that 'your boat is a better life raft than a life raft' and 'step up into a raft' are pertinent, as is the 79 Fastnet rescues and deaths, stay with the boat as long as you can.