There's a huge difference between trying to improve something with the benefit of experience, and slinging sh$t from the sidelines like the Youtuber did.
I'm not saying that what the pros do
must be the best. The point is that they are NOT morons and that we should start by trying to learn from what they do, instead of starting from the arrogant angle of saying "they have spent years of their life learning this stuff and proving their expertise by winning, but I am soooooooooooooo much smarter than they are that despite having no relevant experience, I know I am right and they are wrong".
I've been lucky enough to talk, correspond or sail with some very big names in excellence and innovation; from
the foiling Mothies through to Julian Bethwaite, Jim Drake (co-inventor of windsurfing), Ben Lexcen, Frank Cammas, etc etc. They learn by doing and by respecting others and analysing the success of others, not by assuming that the top names are idiots go do not understand the basics.
Similarly, having been lucky enough to go
over most of the top of an earlier generation of singlehanded 60s and talk to LP and Cammas etc, I would rather learn from their vastly greater experience when it comes to reefing a 60s main than go "those stupid d$rks know nothing, I could do it better". That's just illogical because it assumes they are too stupid to consider the same issues (which they clearly are not) or that they don't have access to more information ( which they clearly do) or that they are too conservative ( which is also utterly silly considering we are sitting here and they are building and sailing these boats).
Select to expand quoteBushdog said..
The recent Vendee attrition rate suggests the Pro's aren't the final word in current design or one design rules. So maybe he is an angry young upstart, but innovation comes from people thinking outside the box. I wouldn't be surprised if we see some of his ideas appear in Vendee 2024.
Successful innovation normally comes from people who do research, get out there, understand the issues properly, and respect those who do it really well - not from those who over-simplify things, ignore the complexities, and sling **** from the sidelines
Select to expand quoteChris 249 said..Bushdog said..
The recent Vendee attrition rate suggests the Pro's aren't the final word in current design or one design rules. So maybe he is an angry young upstart, but innovation comes from people thinking outside the box. I wouldn't be surprised if we see some of his ideas appear in Vendee 2024.
Successful innovation normally comes from people who do research, get out there, understand the issues properly, and respect those who do it really well - not from those who over-simplify things, ignore the complexities, and sling **** from the sidelines
Ok so watching the video a second time the guy is rather arrogant in his delivery.
maybe in future if he has the means to do it, he could put some of his ideas into practice and see how it goes.
Select to expand quoteChris 249 said..
There's a huge difference between trying to improve something with the benefit of experience, and slinging sh$t from the sidelines like the Youtuber did.
I'm not saying that what the pros do
must be the best. The point is that they are NOT morons and that we should start by trying to learn from what they do, instead of starting from the arrogant angle of saying "they have spent years of their life learning this stuff and proving their expertise by winning, but I am soooooooooooooo much smarter than they are that despite having no relevant experience, I know I am right and they are wrong".
I've been lucky enough to talk, correspond or sail with some very big names in excellence and innovation; from
the foiling Mothies through to Julian Bethwaite, Jim Drake (co-inventor of windsurfing), Ben Lexcen, Frank Cammas, etc etc. They learn by doing and by respecting others and analysing the success of others, not by assuming that the top names are idiots go do not understand the basics.
Similarly, having been lucky enough to go
over most of the top of an earlier generation of singlehanded 60s and talk to LP and Cammas etc, I would rather learn from their vastly greater experience when it comes to reefing a 60s main than go "those stupid d$rks know nothing, I could do it better". That's just illogical because it assumes they are too stupid to consider the same issues (which they clearly are not) or that they don't have access to more information ( which they clearly do) or that they are too conservative ( which is also utterly silly considering we are sitting here and they are building and sailing these boats).
This.
Well said Chris.
And having sailed for the last 5 years with a boom bag exactly the same as those in question, I find it kinda funny he thinks this is a big deal.
In light airs, the front of the bag is tucked inside itself and clips under the sail, ie: little drag noticeable.
In heavy airs it's perfect for containing the foot of a reefed main, and is much better than slabs of sail hanging over your boom acting like a bloody great misshapen wind break.
Methinks said genius should go and sail with some of these 'negatives' before sprouting on how terrible it all is.
When I sailed Ricochet down from Sydney I stitched up a stackpack/sail bag out of heavy duty shade cloth just for the one trip. Boat had lazy jacks but with out some way of supporting the reefed sail and full length battens sailing solo would be a nightmare. I would not contemplate sailing offshore with out lazyjacks and a stackpack!
Select to expand quoteChris 249 said..Bushdog said..
The recent Vendee attrition rate suggests the Pro's aren't the final word in current design or one design rules. So maybe he is an angry young upstart, but innovation comes from people thinking outside the box. I wouldn't be surprised if we see some of his ideas appear in Vendee 2024.
Successful innovation normally comes from people who do research, get out there, understand the issues properly, and respect those who do it really well - not from those who over-simplify things, ignore the complexities, and sling **** from the sidelines
That young engineer admits he is not a sailor, and is just doing basic engineering analysis. His following video is more interesting, where he examines the Hugo Boss boat frame cracks. It looks to me that carbon fibre construction is great for high strength and light weight, but is brittle. Hence is vulnerable to stress concentrations and shock loads.
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The corrected times are up!
16 hours compensation of Jean Le Cam, that's going to interesting!
Select to expand quote2bish said..tarquin1 said..
The corrected times are up!
16 hours compensation of Jean Le Cam, that's going to interesting!
yep, especially since he's in 4th anyhow, should be interesting when the begin to go north again.
(16 hours @20 knots.... 320nm... )
Clarisse is doing well in 12.
Select to expand quote2bish said..tarquin1 said..
The corrected times are up!
16 hours compensation of Jean Le Cam, that's going to interesting!
yep, especially since he's in 4th anyhow, should be interesting when the begin to go north again.
(16 hours @20 knots.... 320nm... )
Clarisse is doing well in 12.
Linked Out (Thomas Ruyant) taking water
www.vendeeglobe.org/en/news/21083/linkedout-has-taken-water-into-bow-compartment
Updated:
www.vendeeglobe.org/en/news/21092/ruyant-my-two-hatches-had-opened-but-i-thought-history-was-repeating-itself
