Trouble picking anchor

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stonedpirate
stonedpirate
WA
248 posts
WA, 248 posts
24 Apr 2013 6:04pm
Hello,

I have a 25 for, 2.5 tonne yacht and i need an anchor for sand/mud that is self setting when tide/wind changes direction and wont drag.

I have researched and researched but each site says something different.

Can someone recommend me an anchor that will let me sleep at night for my purposes that is stocked in stores in WA?

Also, what are those cheap BCF plow anchors like?

Thanks
benoz
benoz
WA
50 posts
WA, 50 posts
24 Apr 2013 6:31pm
The only two surfaces you will find to anchor on within 200 miles of Bunbury are stone reef and flat white sand and you will almost certainly anchor on the sand.

Most people in the SW just go with a danforth style anchor with plenty of chain. Cheap to buy and easy to set on sand.

Some good advice would be to join Koombana Bay Sailing Club. A pretty friendly bunch and with a heap of knowledge (like all yot clubs really) and pretty understanding of less experienced sailors. The best way to do that is to rock up at around 5:30pm on a friday and ask at the bar. That way you can join, get nominated for membership and meet the worst of the scaly monsters who frequent the place all at once.
Charriot
Charriot
QLD
880 posts
QLD, 880 posts
24 Apr 2013 11:09pm
I hope you get some valuable advice.
"Sleep at night / changing wind / current, resetting anchor".
Doesn't sound like anything from sailing reality.
But, This is my own practical approach after a few close encounters.
I did use a few different anchors. Not much luck for night sleep.
Wind change and plotter start screeming, anchor drag.
Getting sick after a year fiddling. Solved the puzzle.
8 meters of water 80 m chain. Guess what is on the end of the chain
doesn't matter at all. Have nice quiet night on anchor.





cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
25 Apr 2013 12:57am
I think the best all round anchor you can get would be the Manson Supreme and they are not cheap, but neither are they very expensive.

The general rule for anchors is 1 pound per foot of boat length. Further,the correct scope is of prime importance. Click the link to get the full picture.



If you are thinking cheap as far as anchors go it might cost you more than you bargained for, as in your life.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7752 posts
NSW, 7752 posts
25 Apr 2013 8:09am
I think I would rate them Spade, Ultra, Rocna, Manson supreme. Spade not readily available and the Ultra more expensive than most boats.

I have a homebuilt SS copy of an Ultra with about the same ballast as the Spade. 8 metres of 8mm chain and 14mm Terylene road.
stonedpirate
stonedpirate
WA
248 posts
WA, 248 posts
25 Apr 2013 7:54am
Cool, thanks guys

After much research, I have settled on the rocna 10

80 meters of chain would be nice but my boat is a bit small :p

Cheers
rumblefish
rumblefish
TAS
824 posts
TAS, 824 posts
25 Apr 2013 10:33am
For WA conditions (hard sand) I presonally think you can't go past a Delta. Take a wander through most marina's over there and you will find the majority of cruising boats who anchor have a Delta.

But remember the chain is as important as the anchor. The #1 reason alot of people drag is simply not enough chain to keep the shaft of the anchor pulling along the bottom. On that size boat, for sleep easy anchoring I would go a 6kg Delta with 10m-15m x 6mm short link PWB (Oz made, don't buy chinese chain) then 50-70m x 14mm silver rope. This should give you safe anchoring in anything up to 20m or water but also means that even in 3m you can lay out all your chain and tie off on the rope.

Call the guys at Boating Hardware who will have all this in stock and will look after you.
HellfireJack
HellfireJack
24 posts
24 posts
26 Apr 2013 6:41pm
rumblefish said...


Call the guys at Boating Hardware who will have all this in stock and will look after you.


Great advise and go join the local club, it is the best way to find out anything you need to know!
stonedpirate
stonedpirate
WA
248 posts
WA, 248 posts
26 Apr 2013 9:43pm
Cheers guys

I went out for a rocna, came back with a Manson supreme :p
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
27 Apr 2013 12:20am
Saw the value eh SP? Do you have or did you buy sufficient chain to make it set properly????
stonedpirate
stonedpirate
WA
248 posts
WA, 248 posts
27 Apr 2013 1:21am
Well, I couldn't find anyone that stocked rocna and the supreme looked similar so bought it :p

I will get 10 meters of 8mm chain and 150 meters of 10mm nylon rode shortly
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7752 posts
NSW, 7752 posts
27 Apr 2013 8:28am
stonedpirate said...
Well, I couldn't find anyone that stocked rocna and the supreme looked similar so bought it :p

I will get 10 meters of 8mm chain and 150 meters of 10mm nylon rode shortly



Rocna's are now made in China, they used to be made in New Zealand. There was a world wide ruckus awhile back about the poor grade of steel used in the Chinese version but that has been rectified now. Agents were replacing these sub standard versions.
The Supreme is made in New Zealand by one of Rocna's original workers hence the similarity. Search forums.ybw.com/index.php?forums/practical-boat-owners-reader-to-reader.13/ for pages and pages of drama!

Your anchor equipment choice is spot on but consider a thicker cordage for comfort in your hands recovering. 10mm is strong enough and will give some stretch.
southace
southace
SA
4795 posts
SA, 4795 posts
27 Apr 2013 9:07am
Manson supreme have awesome holding power....I was lucky to find one while diving(It was brand new and was just perfect size for my yacht)...the holding power is far better than my previous CQR which would slowly drag in over 35knts.. The only downside is the main stock shaft is made from thin plate and can be awkward coming in the bow roller.... If in doubt let it all out...I let all my tackle out in overnight stays or if I'm going to be in the one place for a period of time.
stonedpirate
stonedpirate
WA
248 posts
WA, 248 posts
27 Apr 2013 10:35am
Thanks for the info.

Some final questions about anchors.

I noticed the manson has 2 slots for attaching the chain. I am assuming the top long one is for rocks and the bottom one is for sand. The website says that the small bottom one is recommended for high winds and maximum holding power. Does everyone use the bottom slot for sand?

Also, what is the appropriate shackle? Would a 10 mm stainless steel shackle work? Or does it need to be one of those long D shackles?

Chees
southace
southace
SA
4795 posts
SA, 4795 posts
27 Apr 2013 12:34pm
I tried the top slot when out at GBR at the end of the day I prefer to drop my anchor in clean sand so I just left it on the bottom hole.....if I think I'm in rocky or reefs I will connect a 10mtr line with a float to the roll bar and pull it out that way .....or worse comes to worse I have dive gear so I will recover it what ever happens. I just use a stainless steel shackle I think the threads knacked as its hard to undo or do up without pliers. Some wire the shackle pin.

Be real careful if you use a whitworths s/s swivel I had one fail on me with retrieval and lost a $500 anchor in a muddy river! I now put a piece of spectra from my chain onto the anchor as a back up...also to tie other anchors onto mine when/if I find one! Haha
Tater
Tater
11 posts
11 posts
11 May 2013 8:32pm
" I just use a stainless steel shackle I think the threads knacked as its hard to undo or do up without pliers."

Stainless threads will invariably bind on each other, if tightened much more than fingertight and then become uncooperative. I used to have to use a product called "neversieze" on some stainless fittings that would require undoing every coupla years for maintainence. That was outdoors but not in a marine environment. Might be worth a try though. Even a dab of grease might help.
Cheers John.
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