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Sydney to Hobart race

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Created by Serb1980 > 9 months ago, 25 Dec 2021
Chris 249
NSW, 3521 posts
27 Dec 2021 2:10PM
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The Tasman 26 was designed for offshore racing, although mainly for races less than 90 miles. If it's well sailed and in good condition it will have no problems.

southace
SA, 4794 posts
27 Dec 2021 2:32PM
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Serb1980 said..

Ramona said..
I would suggest watching the TV is the best way to view this. On the harbour you get to see very little. In the early seventies along with 3 other people, I sailed out of the harbour and down South in a Hunter 19. There was a good breeze and a heavy swell and I'm sure we were hidden a fair bit in the troughs. I decided I would not bother doing that again!



Went out of the heads 600m did some fishing ( 3kg scorpion fish, 7 big snappers) .... anyway, I ended up in dee why almost from 6 am till 11am.. srmtrong currebt slowly pushed me north. on the way back was madness... I have strong wind agenst me and big waves..... I loved it... did few zig zag and finally came in frond of the race.. what a view! So cool ...I had Genoa on and engine on 70% ... I was going 5.5 knots against current and the wind.

I am very impressed with my boat, it is indeed very strong boat although max speed is just 6knots but I sm confident that I can go to Pittwater and back. All My fellows from racing club saying that I am a sick man but I think that my boat will not break even with 2 m waves. If lucky to have wind coming from east or west it would be even easier to go up and down than aving wind from south of North (one direction must be against the wind)..

I am scared to have a main and Genoa up when strong wind is killing and I am by myself on the boat but with engine working 70% and Genoa up I am ready to go to Newcastle and back..

Guys can 2m waves break my boat? Should I stay away when strong wind and waves are big. I just love it, way more than boring sailing around goat the Island with a little wind!

Any thoughts?


Perhaps invest in a personal EPIRB and self inflating life jacket.

wongaga
VIC, 653 posts
27 Dec 2021 4:14PM
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Don't even dream of buying an EPIRB or PLB'that doesn't have GPS!

Serb1980
388 posts
27 Dec 2021 3:25PM
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wongaga said..
Don't even dream of buying an EPIRB or PLB'that doesn't have GPS!


Got one with GPS (a bit less than 300 bucks in withwothts). I got the point that engine must be off but with 45km/h wing against you and waves of 2-3 m I am a bit scared to go without engine...In light wind anytime but yesterday guys was a madness. I wish I could record that...
This is the picture of inside the boat when I moored in woolwich...

For some reason the picture is upside down...

garymalmgren
1353 posts
27 Dec 2021 5:11PM
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Your photos are weird Serb,
I copied, flipped them and tried to post but they were still upside down.
Then I copied flipped and copied and posted the copy and it was still upside down.
Got me beat.

gary

shaggybaxter
QLD, 2645 posts
27 Dec 2021 7:25PM
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Here ya go...that looks about right after a lumpy offshore passage ! As long as you don't have water inside, it really sucks when everything is sodden.

Craig66
NSW, 2466 posts
27 Dec 2021 9:04PM
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garymalmgren said..
Your photos are weird Serb,
I copied, flipped them and tried to post but they were still upside down.
Then I copied flipped and copied and posted the copy and it was still upside down.
Got me beat.

gary


Hi Gary
Iv had same issue so on laptop I save image, flip to right side up, screen shot, save, post.

Your welcome

keensailor
NSW, 702 posts
27 Dec 2021 9:04PM
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Just spotted midnight rambler off Bermagui about an hour ago.

Craig66
NSW, 2466 posts
27 Dec 2021 9:05PM
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Here ya go...that looks about right after a lumpy offshore passage ! As long as you don't have water inside, it really sucks when everything is sodden.


Water on the inside of a boat ????? never

troubadour
NSW, 334 posts
28 Dec 2021 7:21AM
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MorningBird said..
No, I understand they don't. I'm not a racing sailor but I don't understand why a 2 handed S&S34 can't compete with a 6 handed S&S34.

the 2 handers are allowed to use autopilots

MysticCastle
19 posts
28 Dec 2021 5:11AM
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Craig66 said..

garymalmgren said..
Your photos are weird Serb,
I copied, flipped them and tried to post but they were still upside down.
Then I copied flipped and copied and posted the copy and it was still upside down.
Got me beat.

gary



Hi Gary
Iv had same issue so on laptop I save image, flip to right side up, screen shot, save, post.

Your welcome


From another site I posted to . . .

The issue is with the EXIF data that is encoded with the photo at the time of shooting. This data will define the image orientation. EXIF will show Orientation=Horizontal(normal) or for example ROTATE90CW (there are many options)

If you took the photo with a phone and the image is the wrong way up and you rotate the image in windows THIS causes an issue. Windows does NOT do a pixel rotate - windows updates the EXIF data ONLY. For example from NORMAL to Rotate 90CW. Many photo editors do the same.

But when the image is dragged from windows and loaded (to this site direct or to a proxy site) the image has the pixel dimensions of the rotated image but STILL has the Orientation = Rotate 90CW set. This effectively can double rotates the image on the displaying site when it reaches the site - result being an upside down image.

The displaying site is interpreting the pixel orientation AND the EXIF rotation.

So how to fix this double hit?

Cleaning / removing all the EXIF data does not assist. The image - once cleaned - will revert to the "as shot" image in windows and if this is the wrong way up and you rotate it again in windows - the EXIF data is updated by windows and back to square one to coin a phrase.

This web site lets you view EXIF data and edit the data then download the edited image. www.thexifer.net/#exif-camera-settings
This saves installing software on your PC. This site is handy to see what is happening but alone will not FIX the issue.

To rotate an image it must be done by pixel rotation and not by using the windows rotate (EXIF update) option. Noting that windows does not do a pixel rotation.

A rotate then print screen effectively does a pixel rotation.

There is also a web based utility that does a pixel not EXIF based image rotation.
www.resizepixel.com/
Upload the photo, rotate it and download - ROT will be appended to the filename. The EXIF data is still showing orientation =NORMAL (can be checked using the above theexifer site)
Post the ROT image to the site.
This will remove the double hit issue.

You may have the same issue posting to Gumtree so also a solution for this madness.

Chris 249
NSW, 3521 posts
28 Dec 2021 9:28AM
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Pics from SA showing horrifying damage to the TP52 Denali.

It's amazing it got back home, rather than just sinking almost instantly.

forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?/topic/229499-2021-sydney-to-hobart/page/7/#comments

Ramona
NSW, 7732 posts
28 Dec 2021 6:15PM
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Chris 249 said..
Pics from SA showing horrifying damage to the TP52 Denali.

It's amazing it got back home, rather than just sinking almost instantly.

forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?/topic/229499-2021-sydney-to-hobart/page/7/#comments


Sphincter clenching moment right there! Great thread on SA as usual. Some of the yachts were way too far East of the rhumb line trying to take advantage of the current. The waves would be awful. Some of the photos taken of competitors from the shore down South showed rough and unpleasant waves inshore.

Serb1980
388 posts
28 Dec 2021 4:22PM
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Craig66 said..

shaggybaxter said..


Here ya go...that looks about right after a lumpy offshore passage ! As long as you don't have water inside, it really sucks when everything is sodden.



Water on the inside of a boat ????? never


Didn't have any..

MorningBird
NSW, 2699 posts
28 Dec 2021 10:26PM
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Ramona said..

Chris 249 said..
Pics from SA showing horrifying damage to the TP52 Denali.

It's amazing it got back home, rather than just sinking almost instantly.

forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?/topic/229499-2021-sydney-to-hobart/page/7/#comments



Sphincter clenching moment right there! Great thread on SA as usual. Some of the yachts were way too far East of the rhumb line trying to take advantage of the current. The waves would be awful. Some of the photos taken of competitors from the shore down South showed rough and unpleasant waves inshore.


What happened to L&W. The two S&S34s are still doing very well but L&W has dropped down the rankings markedly. Something broke??

Ramona
NSW, 7732 posts
29 Dec 2021 8:23AM
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MorningBird said..

Ramona said..


Chris 249 said..
Pics from SA showing horrifying damage to the TP52 Denali.

It's amazing it got back home, rather than just sinking almost instantly.

forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?/topic/229499-2021-sydney-to-hobart/page/7/#comments




Sphincter clenching moment right there! Great thread on SA as usual. Some of the yachts were way too far East of the rhumb line trying to take advantage of the current. The waves would be awful. Some of the photos taken of competitors from the shore down South showed rough and unpleasant waves inshore.



What happened to L&W. The two S&S34s are still doing very well but L&W has dropped down the rankings markedly. Something broke??


Navy One was becalmed last night. They are still well East of the rhumb line and Love and War might have suffered the same fate.

julesmoto
NSW, 1569 posts
29 Dec 2021 10:13AM
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MorningBird said..






Ramona said..







Chris 249 said..
Pics from SA showing horrifying damage to the TP52 Denali.

It's amazing it got back home, rather than just sinking almost instantly.

forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?/topic/229499-2021-sydney-to-hobart/page/7/#comments









Sphincter clenching moment right there! Great thread on SA as usual. Some of the yachts were way too far East of the rhumb line trying to take advantage of the current. The waves would be awful. Some of the photos taken of competitors from the shore down South showed rough and unpleasant waves inshore.








What happened to L&W. The two S&S34s are still doing very well but L&W has dropped down the rankings markedly. Something broke??







Navy One was becalmed last night. They are still well East of the rhumb line and Love and War might have suffered the same fate.






Yes that's right I have a friend on Navy One. I also attach a couple of screenshots showing why Inukshuk, the two handed North Shore 38, had to pull out. Shame because otherwise they did the rough weather part just fine. By the way they do not have a dogger.



MorningBird
NSW, 2699 posts
29 Dec 2021 1:43PM
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The S&S designs are in with a chance. Azzuro and L&W should get a lift later today but the windy.tv shows a calm period for them tomorrow. Azzurro has to get in before Friday evening, L&W before Friday morning.

Bananabender
QLD, 1610 posts
29 Dec 2021 2:00PM
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We need a Qld. boat to break the drought. Fruit Salid or Maritimo please.
S&S and L&W have had their glory in past years

MorningBird
NSW, 2699 posts
29 Dec 2021 3:57PM
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Bananabender said..
We need a Qld. boat to break the drought. Fruit Salid or Maritimo please.
S&S and L&W have had their glory in past years


Might be more glory to come. Can't keep a good design down.
Unfortunately the coming light winds won't help the S&S boats.
Back in 2007 Huckleberry (a WA S&S34) was winning IRC approaching the Derwent and was then becalmed and overtaken by the lighter boats.

Bananabender
QLD, 1610 posts
29 Dec 2021 4:22PM
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Az has the wind up their tail right now and with any luck looking at Windy website they may have it tomorrow for a good way as well. They need to average around 5.5 kn. by my calc. to have a chance.

lydia
1927 posts
29 Dec 2021 3:24PM
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Don't get too carried away with the Rolex site.
The Standings are complete rubbish.
They now work on SOG at the present not SOG from the start.

MorningBird
NSW, 2699 posts
29 Dec 2021 6:38PM
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Bananabender said..
Az has the wind up their tail right now and with any luck looking at Windy website they may have it tomorrow for a good way as well. They need to average around 5.5 kn. by my calc. to have a chance.


S&S yachts are best on the wind. When it swings around behind them they will suffer. They also need a bit of breeze, less than 12-15kts is a struggle.

MorningBird
NSW, 2699 posts
29 Dec 2021 8:20PM
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lydia said..
Don't get too carried away with the Rolex site.
The Standings are complete rubbish.
They now work on SOG at the present not SOG from the start.


Seems sensible to me. Average SOG isn't as relevant to determine ETA as current SOG. But then any SOG is rather pointless. In 24 hours Azzuro will be becalmed, a current SOG of 5.8 is irrelevant.
As most sailors know, estimating your arrival time from your current or any past SOG is bound to disappoint you.

Chris 249
NSW, 3521 posts
29 Dec 2021 11:56PM
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You'd think they could build in some sort of sensible combination that stops the tracker coming up with such silly ETAs, though. A while back they had Rum Rebellion predicted to finish ahead of sistership Disko Trooper, which was then about 35 miles ahead of Rum Rebellion. While RR was going faster at that moment in time, surely one could create some sort of predictor that would not allow such nonsense.

Disko Trooper still seems to be putting on the best effort of the race IMHO. For a 32'6, 3.8 ton two-hander to be doing so well with so much heavy upwind stuff is one heck of a job. It's also interesting that there's only one specialist shorthanded design left in the race, the Open 40 sailed by Goughie, and she's not doing particularly well.

Ramona
NSW, 7732 posts
30 Dec 2021 8:50AM
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Facebook has been great for updates and videos. The onboard video from Azzurro this morning is outstanding! IOR landfills? page. Also a great source of photos of your favorites though not necessarily from the race.







MorningBird
NSW, 2699 posts
30 Dec 2021 5:59PM
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The weather is going against Azzuro. The forecast for the next 12 hours is for calm conditions. Bugger! L&W might make it though.

Bananabender
QLD, 1610 posts
30 Dec 2021 5:13PM
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Oh no we don't want a win on protest .

Chris 249
NSW, 3521 posts
30 Dec 2021 10:26PM
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Ramona said..






MorningBird said..







Ramona said..








Chris 249 said..
Pics from SA showing horrifying damage to the TP52 Denali.

It's amazing it got back home, rather than just sinking almost instantly.

forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?/topic/229499-2021-sydney-to-hobart/page/7/#comments










Sphincter clenching moment right there! Great thread on SA as usual. Some of the yachts were way too far East of the rhumb line trying to take advantage of the current. The waves would be awful. Some of the photos taken of competitors from the shore down South showed rough and unpleasant waves inshore.









What happened to L&W. The two S&S34s are still doing very well but L&W has dropped down the rankings markedly. Something broke??








Navy One was becalmed last night. They are still well East of the rhumb line and Love and War might have suffered the same fate.







Yes that's right I have a friend on Navy One. I also attach a couple of screenshots showing why Inukshuk, the two handed North Shore 38, had to pull out. Shame because otherwise they did the rough weather part just fine. By the way they do not have a dogger.





Okay, this I do not understand. Surely one can prepare an electronics system that, in extremis, allows you to just run wires from the batteries to the stuff you need. And surely one can have a separate battery, charged before the start, to run the radio and (in short handed boats) enough autopilot to get you there.

julesmoto
NSW, 1569 posts
31 Dec 2021 7:59AM
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Wow, check out the jib sheeting angle in the stock picture of Ichi Ban on the Rolex Hobart page. Admittedly it's in flat water.




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