No it wasn't on the internet but if that is what Graham Radford says I stand corrected. 
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Re Mottle 33s:- I have mentioned this before in a previous thread.
First there was the Mottle 33 and then in the early 80s George Mottle sold the rights to production building of the Adams 33 to Naut Yachts and the yachts became Naut 33s after Joe Adams inspected the moulds and stated "The Mottle 33s had the keel in the wrong position."
Look it up, do your research and see if I am correct.
The Naut 33 is a better yacht than the Mottle 33.
Wavesong and twodogs1969. do you both agree with what I have stated above?????????????????
I have sailed both version and to be honest they sail pretty similar. The difference was in the finish.
Select to expand quoteZzzzzz said..Wavesong said..Zzzzzz said..Wavesong said..Zzzzzz said..twodogs1969 said..
Mottle 33
There are two builders of the Mottle 33 and though one was better than the other they are still badly built.
Hi Zzz
Interesting comment. Keen to hear your experiences to substantiate it.
I have no doubt research will find information .
one fell to pieces going round the Horn ,( I know a great test) but a small plywood multi went around and so has a Triton 24 and a mates Mottle 33 Roof collapsed .
from sailing forums they recommend looking for the later built Mottle 33 because of the better build quality , maybe some of our Mottle owners can give some more information such as yourself ?
Hi again Zzz
The one that went round the Horn that you refer to is Bill Hatfield's Katherine Anne I'm assuming? Or is there another?
Strictly speaking, Bill's boat was not a Mottle 33 but rather an Adams 33. Aft cockpit, same hull but not a Mottle...but that's just nit-picking.
The boat had a rig failure. It did not fall to pieces. In fact, Bill turned around and limped back around Cape Horn to Port Stanley in the Falklands. Strapped for cash unable to do the repairs to get home, he sold her. Any boat can have a rig failure. That's not a Mottle specific issue.
Incidentally, I think you will find it was Bill Hatfield again who went around the Horn on a Triton 24. As anyone will tell you Zzz, pick the right weather window and you could go around in a tin can.
I'm very interested in learning more about the 'roof collaps(ing)' on your mate's boat. If you're still in touch with him, I'd love to make contact and have a chat.
The Sextons completed a circumnavigation in their earlier-built Mottle, Timana.
Mottles are regular entrants in the Darwin to Ambon and Dili events. Many, historically, completed the S2H.
In Tasmania, they remain very popular boats and there are many Bass Strait crossings under their keels. The principal of Southern Ocean Sailing school, Mark McRae, delivered one in stages from Hobart to Albany and only had fantastic things to say about them.
I spoke to Graham Radford a few months ago who, as an apprentice then later partner to Joe Adams at Adams Yacht Designs, was closely involved in the design of the Mottle 33. He vehemently dispelled the urban myth of the keel being positioned incorrectly in the earlier Mottle-built boats and that it was rectified when Naut took over production. This is a myth!
He said that there was a problem on some of the Mottles with the ballast not being securely bedded in the keel cavity. My boat is one affected (but rectified), however, mine is a 1986 built high-sided.
There are reports of some cracks in
the internal furniture mouldings, of which I have a few on mine. They look bad, however, as they are not structural or load-bearing, they remain a long way down the To Do list.
There's a lot still kicking around being cruised, raced, lived aboard and loved with future adventures being planned. A young couple are sailing theirs home to Tasmania from Melbourne next month and a Brazilian couple are making plans to sail theirs home to Brazil
Hope that has helped
Hi again Wavesong great reply Adams designs very nice sailing boats and I am a fan of many of them I will try to get the contact number for you of the guy with the roof problems , he did rectify it he lives up in Cairns he may already be on your site , it was through him I heard the Story of Looking for the second builder of them .Select to expand quoteZzzzzz said..Wavesong said..Zzzzzz said..Wavesong said..Zzzzzz said..twodogs1969 said..
Mottle 33
There are two builders of the Mottle 33 and though one was better than the other they are still badly built.
Hi Zzz
Interesting comment. Keen to hear your experiences to substantiate it.
I have no doubt research will find information .
one fell to pieces going round the Horn ,( I know a great test) but a small plywood multi went around and so has a Triton 24 and a mates Mottle 33 Roof collapsed .
from sailing forums they recommend looking for the later built Mottle 33 because of the better build quality , maybe some of our Mottle owners can give some more information such as yourself ?
Hi again Zzz
The one that went round the Horn that you refer to is Bill Hatfield's Katherine Anne I'm assuming? Or is there another?
Strictly speaking, Bill's boat was not a Mottle 33 but rather an Adams 33. Aft cockpit, same hull but not a Mottle...but that's just nit-picking.
The boat had a rig failure. It did not fall to pieces. In fact, Bill turned around and limped back around Cape Horn to Port Stanley in the Falklands. Strapped for cash unable to do the repairs to get home, he sold her. Any boat can have a rig failure. That's not a Mottle specific issue.
Incidentally, I think you will find it was Bill Hatfield again who went around the Horn on a Triton 24. As anyone will tell you Zzz, pick the right weather window and you could go around in a tin can.
I'm very interested in learning more about the 'roof collaps(ing)' on your mate's boat. If you're still in touch with him, I'd love to make contact and have a chat.
The Sextons completed a circumnavigation in their earlier-built Mottle, Timana.
Mottles are regular entrants in the Darwin to Ambon and Dili events. Many, historically, completed the S2H.
In Tasmania, they remain very popular boats and there are many Bass Strait crossings under their keels. The principal of Southern Ocean Sailing school, Mark McRae, delivered one in stages from Hobart to Albany and only had fantastic things to say about them.
I spoke to Graham Radford a few months ago who, as an apprentice then later partner to Joe Adams at Adams Yacht Designs, was closely involved in the design of the Mottle 33. He vehemently dispelled the urban myth of the keel being positioned incorrectly in the earlier Mottle-built boats and that it was rectified when Naut took over production. This is a myth!
He said that there was a problem on some of the Mottles with the ballast not being securely bedded in the keel cavity. My boat is one affected (but rectified), however, mine is a 1986 built high-sided.
There are reports of some cracks in
the internal furniture mouldings, of which I have a few on mine. They look bad, however, as they are not structural or load-bearing, they remain a long way down the To Do list.
There's a lot still kicking around being cruised, raced, lived aboard and loved with future adventures being planned. A young couple are sailing theirs home to Tasmania from Melbourne next month and a Brazilian couple are making plans to sail theirs home to Brazil
Hope that has helped
Hi again Wavesong great reply Adams designs very nice sailing boats and I am a fan of many of them I will try to get the contact number for you of the guy with the roof problems , he did rectify it he lives up in Cairns he may already be on your site , it was through him I heard the Story of Looking for the second builder of them .
If the roof did collapse I wouldn't be surprised if it was due to owners routing the halyards back to the cockpit with resultant stresses on the coach house roof around the mast although the design also has absolutely no bulkheads in the enormous centre cabin so nothing to stop the chain plates pulling inward apart from the unbraced roof.
