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cisco said..

If you can sell this one for that price.............

www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/cairns-region/sail-boats/cruising-yacht-huge-price-reduction-/1038127289

You only have to add $10,000 to it and you could own this magnificent Catalina built S&S 39. It is a world class performance cruising yacht that will be admired in any port.

www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/boatdetails.aspx?R=15785650&Silo=Stock&Vertical=Boat&Ridx=0&eapi=2

It is named Hell Cat because the original American owner flew one of these during WWII.

Mmm yes I just love the smell of original 1983 yachts that S&S sure would have that attractive aroma that I'm seeking!

It maybe admired in any port just hope the 1983 bits and pieces get you there!

I wouldn't buy that S&S if the money was given to me not for that price anyway.

It's funny how such a name for a boat seems to hold value and no doubt some silly sausage will be convinced into buying her cause she's a S&S hull. How old would the mast and rigging be? There's $15k for replacement ! Engine? 10k ! Electrical and navitronics ? 5k ! Suncover/dodger? 5k ! I'm sure the list could go on. More time working on the boat and spending money than using it!

This will be my new baby.....nothing but a cut and polish and it's annual maintance for the next 10 years!
http://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/jeanneau-sun-odyssey-42ds/129852


Sorry I'm bias about old boats properly the fact that I have owned them because that's all I could afford ! Now I look at all the money I threw at them I see i could have gone out and brought a new one of the shelf by now!

That's a new yacht that flexes so much in a sea the portlights pop out. Rigging and engines can be replaced, an unsafe hull is with you forever.

The reason I believe in Karma is she looks after this fool so well!!!
I brought Valkyrie with no real idea about yachts, hey if you had ask me to name a model boat I liked I would of drawn a blank 9 years ago. Next to no research all and I just walked up and handed over 50,000 straight up and set to work on her. I was impatient and thought 4weeks was to long to be ready to head up the coast, well I had to wait 2 more weeks extra for the gear box to be rebuilt! Oh yeah she needed work alright, I tell anyone you have to mad to own a big boat.
But in reality what an experience it's been, even though I had to do a lot to bring her up to standard for cruising iv learnt a lot and been rewarded with the freedom that comes from ones own independence. And nothing robs you more of independence than fear!
So what ever boat you can afford just buy it, hoist sail and go while you can for that horizon awaits you.

southace said..

Dezman said..

The reason I believe in Karma is she looks after this fool so well!!!
I brought Valkyrie with no real idea about yachts, hey if you had ask me to name a model boat I liked I would of drawn a blank 9 years ago. Next to no research all and I just walked up and handed over 50,000 straight up and set to work on her. I was impatient and thought 4weeks was to long to be ready to head up the coast, well I had to wait 2 more weeks extra for the gear box to be rebuilt! Oh yeah she needed work alright, I tell anyone you have to mad to own a big boat.
But in reality what an experience it's been, even though I had to do a lot to bring her up to standard for cruising iv learnt a lot and been rewarded with the freedom that comes from ones own independence. And nothing robs you more of independence than fear!
So what ever boat you can afford just buy it, hoist sail and go while you can for that horizon awaits you.

What a load of waffle....why do you waffle on my threads! What has your waffle got to do with new boats and port holes blowing out.....sheesh Dezman the only bit I want to read is your last sentence.

I don't know Dezman, but I like his attitude. I bet he doesn't have a beige cardigan in his locker!

Buying a Jeanneau is NOT a bad idea. This is from the companies web site

As an ISO 9001 company, the Jeanneau?s building process is certified to the highest international standards. Each new sailboat is thoroughly tested throughout the building process and each receives additional tank testing where all systems are put through their paces.

All Jeanneau boats carry the CE certification which ensures strict standards for stability, safety and structure. In addition, all boats 12 m and over are certified by the Bureau Veritas, an independent engineering certification. This certification includes every part of the conception and building process.

The italics are mine, just to draw attention to the fact that not all mass manufactured boats are crap. I believe the boat that Southace is looking at is well over the 12 metre mark and therefore carries the "Bureau Veritas" certification. I don't believe that Bureau Veritas would rubber stamp a boat where the windows fell out when the water got a bit bumpy.

I know old prejudices and hatreds for certain brands take a long time to settle but please keep an open mind and try to be a bit more positive and supportive. I'm sure that if Southace buys this boat and on his first trip to anywhere the windows all fall out he'd be the first to come on here and tell us.

LooseChange said..

Buying a Jeanneau is NOT a bad idea. This is from the companies web site

As an ISO 9001 company, the Jeanneau?s building process is certified to the highest international standards. Each new sailboat is thoroughly tested throughout the building process and each receives additional tank testing where all systems are put through their paces.

All Jeanneau boats carry the CE certification which ensures strict standards for stability, safety and structure. In addition, all boats 12 m and over are certified by the Bureau Veritas, an independent engineering certification. This certification includes every part of the conception and building process.

The italics are mine, just to draw attention to the fact that not all mass manufactured boats are crap. I believe the boat that Southace is looking at is well over the 12 metre mark and therefore carries the "Bureau Veritas" certification. I don't believe that Bureau Veritas would rubber stamp a boat where the windows fell out when the water got a bit bumpy.

I know old prejudices and hatreds for certain brands take a long time to settle but please keep an open mind and try to be a bit more positive and supportive. I'm sure that if Southace buys this boat and on his first trip to anywhere the windows all fall out he'd be the first to come on here and tell us.

Thanks for the support loose change! It's a big decision choosing the right boat.....when I get my new Jeanneau I will be happy to line any of your 80s osmosis prone heavy old detearating hulls for a race across a real ocean! Haha just jokes. I'm actually looking at doing the "sail raja ampat rally" hopefully in the new boat next June.

Southace, I take your point on new production boats, especially those under a Classification Society. I hadn't opened your link so commented before I saw what you were proposing. No excuses. That Jeanneau will treat you well.

I would still go for a Kraut boat before a Frog boat.

It is like Porches and Peugeots.

A Bavaria in the pen and a Porche in the car park. Only way to go for a convincing play boy image!!

southace said..


This is the boat I'm looking for below. Thanks anyway for your suggestion!

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/jeanneau-42ds/82806

That is a very sophisticated yacht for the money. What did it sell for when it was brand new????

I'm not sure how to search that info but I would say between 350k and 400k new.... Well that's what the current new ones are selling for.

Sophisticated now that's a interesting way to describe this model!

It's funny how one gets enquires about the boat you have for sale....such as what history? Who built it? Could you send me pics of engine and cockpit?, where is the boat? Etc etc....so you reply to the emails but then no response back.

Are these such people fender kickers? Dreamers? What's the go?


Also I find it funny that a boat sits on the market for months on end and when you make a enquiry about it the agent tells you to be quick and put a offer in as there are a few interested party's involved! What a crock of crabs!

I really doubt that would sail better than a Jeanneau. It's nearly as old as me!

My brain is very well focused...I have looked into buying real estate before Christmas and realised that the money I have to spend will only buy me something where I can smell the neibours multicultural cooking also being surrounded by concrete walls with no ocean views. The body corporate bills, council rates , electricity. Street lights, loud traffic ,thieves , scum , pollution , unemployment?..........etc

We are shopping for two different boats here CISCO your after a weekender I'm looking for a home....my ocean freedom.
I have done the sums and can't afford both a land and ocean life style so my choice has been made. For you I'm sure you have a garage and all the tools to do any mods or repairs to the mid sized overnighter yacht that you purchase.

For me I have minimised my tool chest to the basics now. This is one reason I'm opting to buy a new boat rather than a older boat that needs the work.

I'm also looking for a yacht with a beam over 4 m with the beam carried aft like modern production yachts not like the narrow gutted tumble home 70s and 80 s boats.

I guess at the end of the day it's personal choice and my decision is made on what I'm looking for.

Personally I think it's just old school way of thinking that the older boats are better than the new modern ones.

southace said..

Also I find it funny that a boat sits on the market for months on end and when you make a enquiry about it the agent tells you to be quick and put a offer in as there are a few interested party's involved! What a crock of crabs!

Basically the same as real estate agents do, ultimately they have no interest in whether you get the price you want as long as they get their commision. Both, real estate agents and used boat dealers do NOT work for the vendor, rather they are working for the buyer. If you have a boat on the market for $100,000 and the used boat agent says to put in an offer of $90.000 that may be the inducement a buyer needs to buy the boat, but the difference in his commision is minimal. The only person that loses in the deal is the seller as he wears all losses, the used boat agent never loses as he has nothing invested in the deal.

southace said..

I'm not sure how to search that info but I would say between 350k and 400k new.... Well that's what the current new ones are selling for.

Sophisticated now that's a interesting way to describe this model!

I understand your thinking about real estate. Much of the smart money is moving out of residential real estate, except for the primary residence, due to high rates (currently 20% to 25% of rental return) and other expenses bringing nett returns down to 3% or less which you can get on cash in the bank.

The other factor is low capital gains of late, but that is a cyclic thing.


If you can buy a very late model high quality production yacht for half or less of it's new price and it will be your primary residence, I just can't knock it. Your annual upkeep expenses would probably be similar to that of a house or unit and you get to enjoy a lifestyle that most people can only dream of.

Go for it!!