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stone
stone
WA
243 posts
WA, 243 posts
21 Jan 2014 7:01pm
Hi guys.

After much discussion with the wife we have decided to get a yacht to enjoy weekend day sailing and school holidays cruising up the WA coast. When we get really confident would try a trip back to Fiji.

I know my way around yachts but still always learning. My question is, what yacht would be suitable for a young family of 6. Kids are 13,11,8, & 1. It would be mainly blue water/coastal cruising not racing and be set up short handed as much as possible.

My heart says an S&S 34/39 but maybe something at the other end like a Hans Christian or many models of Ketch set ups. Not sure about Cats, never sailed on them.
I love my windsurfing but this is the next step for the family unit.

Most important is budget under $80k ready to sail.

I've rushed most of my decisions so far and don't want to rush into this one. Got plenty of time to find right one.

So Cisco, Ramona, any ideas.

Cheers.
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
22 Jan 2014 12:53am
Here you go. Boat Point search criteria, 34 to 42 feet, $30k to $80k, Australia wide you have 171 to choose from.

http://www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/results.aspx?base=1456&vertical=Boat&eapi=2&N=0%200%20607%20610%201586%201587%201599%201588%201454%201595&silo=Stock&Range=Price:30000,80000|LengthFeet:34,42~1&sort=~Price&Page=1

Of those 61 are in Queensland and 5 are in WA.

www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/results.aspx?base=604%20896&base=1456&eapi=2&silo=Stock&sort=default&sort=~Price&N=0%200%20607%20610%201586%201587%201599%201588%201454%201595+83&vertical=Boat&Range=Price:Min,Max&Range=Price:30000,80000%7CLengthFeet:34,42~1

The first boat, the Alan Payne Koonya at $30,000 might fit the bill accommodation wise but hoisting the main will be an effort. Later IOR style yachts have higher aspect ratio main sails that can be full battened and a lot more manageable short handed if they are set up with lazy jacks and a boom bag. The IOR yachts of the 80s vintage are fin keelers and usually more head sail powered yachts and can be balanced very well and be very light on the tiller.

A great feature of the IOR style yachts is their powering to windward ability and how they will heave to. Sailing along, if you want to stop, without touching the sheets, just haul the tiller to windward (ie, gybe the yacht) and lash it hard over and the boat will stop dead in it's tracks and creep to windward at a half to one and a half knots. Very useful if somebody falls overboard.

I have always owned fin keeled sloops and I would have nothing else. Fast, predictable, easy to manage and they just look good.

The S&S 34s are a magnificent yacht as are the 39s but I doubt you will get a 39 worth owning within your budget. A 34 maybe, however for you and your tribe I think a little bit squeezy.

So what happened with you?? Children 13, 11, 8 and then 1. Did the tube tying or snipping fail??

Until recently I owned two yachts, both 34 foot long. One an S&S 34, the other a Van De Stadt 34. There is bugger all between them in performance but I sold the S&S in favour of the VDS because of the room and intelligent accommodation layout of the VDS.

Most importantly it has a stand up shower and head and that is what keeps the ladies happy. It has a double berth forward and another aft plus two settee berths with the possibility of two pilot berths.

Another contributor to the forum in WA bought an aluminium VDS 34 recently and took it on a surfing safari with 5 or 6 adults last year and he swears by it.

I just found this one below and it is new to the market. Certainly by the photos this a magnificent example of the marque. The accommodation layout is non standard but extremely well thought out and executed.

Damn, if I didn't have the one I already have, I would be buying this yacht. Look at the paint job on it!!!! It's within your budget too!!! and the owner is prepared to assist with delivery!!!!

Now I am really pinged off and I am going to bed. Shoot!!

www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/boatdetails.aspx?R=16282023&Silo=Stock&Vertical=Boat&Ridx=4&eapi=2
stone
stone
WA
243 posts
WA, 243 posts
22 Jan 2014 12:31am
Thanks Cisco.

New wife, new child is what happened.

I appreciate your comments. I've looked all through yacht hub, boat view etc. I guess we are after advice or re assurance on what type/model would best suit us. I like VDS's. I have noticed a lot are steel or alloy hulls. Anything I should lookout for when inspecting these.

Cheers
Dezman
Dezman
NSW
818 posts
NSW, 818 posts
22 Jan 2014 3:56am
Everyones opinion will differ depending on what they expect from sailing of course, you having a large family and wanting to do long voyagers
I would say room is important! A 34 footer is a small yacht, well that's not always the case, mine is only 32 ft but being 12ton she makes an
S an s look small when side by side.
So volume is key on size, and with that many kids having extra cabins to escape one another in port would be like having your home with you.
Funny everyone thinks boats are cheap but only 6 to choose from in WA, and I just imagine only one is a good one.
$80,000 should buy a big yacht like a Roberts 38 off shore, ect. Condition is key of course!
A lot of people expect amazing sailing fun from a cursing yacht when really a well behaved one does the trick.
Iv always had fun sailing dinghies with me on deck lazer, gaff and outrigger. Next trip I'm taking a 12ft surf cat with an outboard to explore.
Your kids would love something like that and you too.
Good luck.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7754 posts
NSW, 7754 posts
22 Jan 2014 9:57am
First off I think you have to search the whole of Australia and even overseas and I would avoid steel, full foam glass hulls. Consider alloy if your committed to careful maintenance and conscious of your neighbours boat if your in a marina. Steel varies between $40-80 a ton and that just about sums up my thoughts on steel. I sailed past my mates 45 foot steel Adams yesterday [his first boat!!!!!!!!!!!!], he has recently repainted it and already has rust showing under a window frame, very depressing. Picked up my mooring which has a 45 foot ferro on one side, its for sale, liveaboard that come off his mooring yesterday. Next to me is a 65 foot ferro staysail/wishbone schooner, has not moved in 10 years, possibly for sale. On the third side is an expensive 45 cruising cat just back from cruising Queensland and now its for sale! Wont mention the reasons for the sale because we have cat fans here. The river bank is on the fourth side. Mate paddled over from his Hartley 38 foot ferro RORC for a chat, he got all excited when I told him the schooner may be on the market soon and asked me what its worth. I reckon somewhere between $5 and $120,000. He paid $10,000 for his 38 footer and it sails exceptionally well. He had just been chatting to a new resident who has a 50 foot steely that broke off his mooring and banged into his ferro bending a few stanchions.
Six kids! How many girls? The number of girls will be critical to your decision. Next you have to decide if its the expensive end of the market or the cheaper seats. Remember it possible you may not be able to get insurance of any kind for blue water! You may have to step off this boat[up into a dinghy] and you have to be prepared to lose the lot.

A cutter rigged Hans Christian would be nice, are they down to $80,000 yet?
Charriot
Charriot
QLD
880 posts
QLD, 880 posts
22 Jan 2014 12:23pm
Simply READY for Tasmania in winter.




SandS
SandS
VIC
5904 posts
VIC, 5904 posts
22 Jan 2014 8:28pm
Ramona said..

southace said..

http://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/one-off-half-tonner-1982/145283

How's about this one? I love the second steering station !



I like it. Keep it in bare aluminium like Pen Duick V. Not sure why the secondary steering is required, Has a Norvane windvane.


I like it as well , interesting set up indeed !!
LooseChange
LooseChange
NSW
2140 posts
NSW, 2140 posts
22 Jan 2014 10:22pm
Ramona said..
I like it. Not sure why the secondary steering is required.


I like it too ..... secondary steering I guess for those times they spent in Patagonia and around the Falklands, be rather nice to be inside with a hot brew in your hand rather than freezing your gonads off outside.
jev7337
jev7337
QLD
460 posts
QLD, 460 posts
22 Jan 2014 10:11pm
Ramona said..

....On the third side is an expensive 45 cruising cat just back from cruising Queensland and now its for sale! Wont mention the reasons for the sale because we have cat fans here.....


What cat is is and reason for sale? Cmon, we're all grown up.
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
22 Jan 2014 10:47pm
I think it belongs to a forum member. Very nice yacht.
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
7754 posts
NSW, 7754 posts
23 Jan 2014 9:08am
jev7337 said..

Ramona said..

....On the third side is an expensive 45 cruising cat just back from cruising Queensland and now its for sale! Wont mention the reasons for the sale because we have cat fans here.....


What cat is is and reason for sale? Cmon, we're all grown up.



Ok its only 40 foot, I had to chase down the ad. http://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-catamarans/crowther-sp40/130705

They went to Queensland where its always windy. Holed up in a few places because of weather and when they did sail the wind always ended up on the nose. Even on the last leg home they had a howling Southerly appear on the nose and got a hiding.

Beautiful boat, looks new and is extremely well cared for. Very comfortable in harbour if a little scarey maneuvering in marinas. Excellent rig.
jev7337
jev7337
QLD
460 posts
QLD, 460 posts
23 Jan 2014 9:56am
Very nice and good yacht but it looks like the owners may have imagined sailing to be a bit different.
MorningBird
MorningBird
NSW
2707 posts
NSW, 2707 posts
23 Jan 2014 1:14pm
That S&S39 looks to be very good. What a price, probably get it for $55K.
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
24 Jan 2014 12:05am
Ramona said..


They went to Queensland where its always windy.


What!!! If only it was.

freeman
freeman
WA
19 posts
WA, 19 posts
23 Jan 2014 10:25pm
This S&S 39 is a great boat. Had heaps of money spent on it. Based out of South of Perth. Won consistancy last year.
Jon Sanders is on his at the moment, half way to Rio. Great boats, solid and dependable.
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